Hentenza said:

It was a restoration not a redistribution.

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It's still redistribution.

Hentenza said:

You don’t even know if the original owners are wealthy or not.

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Which is irrelevant.

Hentenza said:

The return of the land COULD help a family in dire straights or it might not and this happened once every 50 years.

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Right, the land was returned--redistributed--to the original owners. The reason why land would have fallen out of the family in the first place was very likely because the family fell on hard times and had to sell their land. In the same way that people sold themselves into slavery to pay off debts. The Jubilee was restoring all the pieces of the chess board to their original condition; and this was understood as a form of justice.

And it was redistribution of wealth.

Hentenza said:

This is NOT redistribution of wealth. Land merely just got passed around owners.

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Land is wealth. It is redistribution of wealth. This isn't complicated.

-CryptoLutheran

Richard T said:

I am going to call out Fox News on this one. Their reporting has too many holes in the story. I am tempted to guess that one parent or relative might by in Guatemala, while at least some kids have a parent or relative here. So out of haste, ICE just sends them off. We better make sure that each child is processed correctly and that their best interests are served. Could be the reason that some fled to the USA was so that they could escape abuse. Even a small percentage of this occurring is worth some evaluation and court hearing the case. Part of the issue with ICE is that they are too gung ho. I do not trust the Guatemala government for evaluating child welfare cases there. That even if there is a parent there advocating for their return, the environment and case needs some examination.

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I don't trust the either government to act in the best interest of the children.

I am going to call out Fox News on this one. Their reporting has too many holes in the story. I am tempted to guess that one parent or relative might by in Guatemala, while at least some kids have a parent or relative here. So out of haste, ICE just sends them off. We better make sure that each child is processed correctly and that their best interests are served. Could be the reason that some fled to the USA was so that they could escape abuse. Even a small percentage of this occurring is worth some evaluation and court hearing the case. Part of the issue with ICE is that they are too gung ho. I do not trust the Guatemala government for evaluating child welfare cases there. To think they are competent is likely poor judgment.

Vambram said:

The government of Guatemala has now formally requested that these children be returned home.

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If the deportations were legal, why is the Trump Administration truing to deport them on a Sunday morning?

Judge:
“I have the government attempting to remove minor children from the country in the wee hours of the morning on a holiday weekend, which is surprising,” she said.

The government’s lawyer, Drew Ensign, said that the repatriations had been requested by the Guatemalan government and that the children were to be reunited with parents and guardians in their home country.

“The United States government is trying to facilitate the return of these children to their parents or guardians, from whom they have been separated,” Mr. Ensign said.

But Efrén Olivares, the lawyer representing the children, disputed that argument. At least some of the children “have not requested to return,” he said. “They don’t want to return.”

He added that the law prevents children from being removed expeditiously from the United States until a judge has assessed the safety of their return. Many of the children have cases that are still pending, he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/31/us/politics/trump-deportations-judge-guatemala-children.html?smid=url-share

Platte said:

The Sabbath Day

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Purely symbolic.

Hans Blaster said:

Do you believe his first term weights? I don't.

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Until i read it on a left leaning site - I never knew, nor cared what the man weighed. Mine and Your beliefs are not established facts.

Here is my position - my I could care less list

• How much the President weighs
• What shoes the First Lady wears
• How many scoops of ice cream the President has
• If the President uses a spray tan
• How many pieces of cake the President has at a dinner
• The type of fast food the President eats
• The color of the Presidents suit at a formal event
• Where the President sits

Every one of those made news. Why? I don't have a clue, other than he doesn't life large in my head.

People who believe in an early rapture often point to 1 Thessalonians 4:15–18. They read it as teaching that the dead in Christ rise first to meet with Christ, and then immediately afterwards, those who are alive are caught up to meet the Lord in the air. So, a rapture for all believers who are both dead and alive.

But Jesus Himself taught something different. Several times, He said believers are raised on the last day. This is the end of earthly time, when He judges the world at the Great White Throne judgment.
John 6:39 – And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of everything that He has given Me I will lose nothing, but will raise it up on the last day.
John 6:40 – For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:44 – No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:54 – The one who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 11:24 – Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.”

So, when does anyone rise before the last day? Only in the case of the martyrs. Revelation 20:6–11 speaks of an early resurrection for those who are killed for their faith. They are raised and reign with Christ for 1,000 years, but the rest of the dead are not raised until the end.
With this in mind, 1 Thessalonians 4:15–18 makes sense: “the dead in Christ” are raised first (the martyrs), and then at the last day of time, those who are alive are caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds and all go to judgment at the GWT judgement.

It is clear, then, that all believers are raised on the last day, while only martyrs are raised early.
On the last day, the dead, both believers and unbelievers alike, are raised and judged.
Acts 24:15 confirms this when it says "a" resurrection: “I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.” This points to a single resurrection of all the dead, not two separate ones.

And Jesus also said that there will be a time when all believers and non-believers are raised and judged. In John 5:28–29 He says: “Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.”

RileyG said:

Jesus said nothing about guns...and he certainly didn't condone people being violent towards one another....what does that have to do with the thread? At all?

Children are dead in the name of violence.

ugh

Will the violence ever end?

Breaks my heart.

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Luke 22:36
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Platte said:

God saw the light he created in day 1 and that’s all I need to know.

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I.E., you have no idea at all how there could have been "an evening and a morning" where there was no sun. Surprise, surprise. You're just reciting your demonination's doctrine, which I value at precisely at the price charged.

It is as St.Peter said - God's "days" aren't like ours. But I guess that's one of those New Testament ideas that have to be ignored lest they damage your Old Testament doctrines.

Hans Blaster said:

"Lost ancient civilizations" is not a conspiracy. It is a myth. No conspiracies here.

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Whatever you want to call it. As soon as I opened the thread it was relegated to that basket of conspiracy or myth.

Hans Blaster said:

Don't make ridiculous claims about pyramids of Egypt and it likely won't happen.

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Give me a break. This was inject3ed from the first post before any of that was mentioned. The only time I mentioned pyramids as something to do with energy was a few pages back. But many including yourself had relegated this thread as conspiracy and whacko status well before that.

Even now you continue in conflating my reference to Dunn as whacko. When this was supported by the science. You still ignore this and persist with the whacko status. An obvious misrepresentation abd attempt to derail things. Only proving my point.

Hans Blaster said:

Are you sure you know better?

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Yes I have gained good info from how once again the same derailment has happened. This has given good insight into how this issue is not about facts or the science but an ideological belief that will persist no matter what and bias how people see the evidence.

Hans Blaster said:

None of this has anything to do with "metaphysics" or "worldviews". You are literally the only person who mentions this out of the blue for no apparent reason.

Sigh.

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Hum your first post you introduced the Creationist narrative. You bought into the metaphysics and worldviews when you made it about creationists.

But thats ok because fundementally it is about the different worldview in how we see human history which is basically about metaphysics. Whether our history is all within the material science explanations or something beyond as well.

RileyG said:

Change must occur. Change must occur. Change must occur.

I am saying that as someone who will never own a gun and will never use one.

This is about LIFE. NOT politics.

You are sooo right @Bradskii

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What is the specific change you propose that will work? I agree every life is important but emotional speeches will not solve anything.

Guojing said:

Try the KJV instead

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Have you even considered the many books and articles that point out the errors, mistakes and flat out misinterpretations of the KJV?
Also how that book is dedicated to King James and it twists many verses to uphold his authority.

Being trapped in a KJV mindset, is a sad and confused situation. You are basically ignoring the hundreds of source documents, including the Dead sea scrolls, that modern translators have available to them. In 1612, all they had was the Textus Receptus, a Latin re-translation of the Greek Byzantine traditional books.

We Christians are the faithful Israelites of God. Thinking the Jews are, is wakadoodle and unbiblical.

Tuur said:

That's going to require checking out the settings on both phones. Today, even vehicles report in. I'm serious.

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Yes, very true. Perhaps that advice is futile, but I suppose limiting the settings might keep the info down a little.

ViaCrucis said:

It is being TAKEN from the current owners and REDISTRIBUTED to the original owners.

That IS redistribution of wealth. It is LITERALLY being redistributed from one person to another.

-CryptoLutheran

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It was a restoration not a redistribution. You don’t even know if the original owners are wealthy or not. The return of the land COULD help a family in dire straights or it might not and this happened once every 50 years. This is NOT redistribution of wealth. Land merely just got passed around owners.

Vambram said:

Each and every one of your anti-Trump statements are absolutely 100% incorrect.

What is your solution about the Russia & Ukraine war which Ukraine is clearly losing? Please remember that a diplomatic solution needs to be one that both nations would accept.

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Here is just my take on Russia and Ukraine for what little it might be worth.

There is no diplomatic solution currently unless either Ukraine or Russia decide to just give in. The two sides seem to be not even close at the moment. Even if Ukraine were to cede land, Russia really is not offering to allow meaningful security guarantees. Yes, there was talk, but really it was not serious. Trump generally does overstate his influence and progress but the reality to me seems that he has created a weakened Ukraine. This has occurred in part because the USA has waffled in their support. I think a diplomatic solution will only occur if the West stands more united and firm against Russia. More pressure on oil and trade, not less. More weapons, more aid, more ability given to Ukraine to fight into the interior. This could be done in a stealthy way, with little fanfare. Alternatively, Ukraine allies could really go hardline and pull out all the stops in communicating their intentions, yet still not enter the war directly unless Putin decided to go that route first.
It would be helpful though if Trump was more aligned with the EU and allowed them to participate more. Most of the EU is timid and afraid of Trump. I guess slapping big tariffs on can be scary. We should remember that only after everyone was onboard did S. Aftrica's apartheid really start to fall through because of the serious economic sanctions and isolation.

My thinking is that if Putin really thought that the USA and the EU would stand behind Ukraine for years to come, that he would negotiate. Prolonged fighting is why Russia finally left Afghanistan. I will admit that Trump does extremely well in many simpler negotiations. But larger ones are not as simple as a real estate deal. Larger nations are also not as easy to gain concessions from. So we have seen Trump very successful in helping stop war in smaller nations. (Thailand and Cambodia) Trump's methods too can help prevent escalation out of the gate in larger nations (India and Pakistan). However, the limits can and should be seen in long lasting, mired down problems such as Russia and Ukraine. I hope I am wrong but he overplays his poker hand sometimes because it is not a single hand with those entrenched problems but a game that will persist for quite some time. For instance, deals for trade in agriculture have lingered since the 1950s. Those aspirations were often sidelined to even begin to negotiate trade deals in other areas.

Lastly, I will say what probably many have thought. That it would seriously help if Trump were to get the Nobel Peace Prize. asap. I think he is obsessed with it in a good way. He wants to be a peacemaker. Still, it would make him more restful if that was a past achievement rather than an aspiration.

One of @stevevw's many many many images in the thread is this one.



What struck me was the well defined vertical cut forming a near right angle with what looks suspiciously like the early stages of a copper and abrasive horizontal cut line (note the large cut width which is a characteristic of abrasion cutting).
This indicates the vertical and horizontal cuts were done in distinctly different time frames.

Yet another one of my AI exercises was to ask GPT-5 to analyse the image, the only information I gave it was look for discrepancies and the material was either granite or limestone.
I was pleasantly surprised with the answer, it came to the same conclusion but with more information than I had envisioned.

Yes — there are several unusual aspects worth pointing out in this image:

1. The Vertical Groove​

• The deep, straight, narrow cut running vertically looks too clean and uniform to be the result of pounding stones or early copper saws with abrasive.
• It has the sharp parallel sides and straight trajectory more consistent with an iron/steel chisel or saw used in the later periods (Roman, Medieval, or even modern interventions).
• Ancient Egyptian abrasive saw kerfs are usually wider and more U-shaped, not tight and straight like this.

2. The Horizontal Groove​

• The shallower horizontal groove below looks more like an abrasive cut (copper saw + sand): wide, shallow, and rounded inside.
• The two intersecting marks (vertical vs. horizontal) suggest they were made at different times with different tools.

3. Surface Damage Around the Mark​

• Notice how the stone’s surface surrounding the vertical groove looks splintered and fractured in a way consistent with metal wedge or chisel insertion, not with ancient smoothing or polishing.
• That’s unusual if we expect this to be an “original” Old Kingdom working mark.

4. Painted Markings​

• There seems to be a faint red painted line or symbol on the right, over the granite surface. Egyptians often used red ochre or black ink to guide stone cutting. However, the fact it’s so close to the vertical groove raises the possibility that someone later marked the stone for re-cutting or documentation.

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Summary of Unusual Features:

• The vertical groove is too sharp and narrow → likely later iron/steel toolwork, not Old Kingdom.
• The horizontal groove is wider and shallower → consistent with ancient abrasive saw kerf.
• The combination on the same block suggests this stone has been worked in multiple historical phases, possibly:
  • Old Kingdom (horizontal saw mark),
  • Later quarrying/stone-robbing phase (vertical iron/steel tool mark).

Would you like me to annotate this image with arrows and short labels (e.g. “later iron tool cut” vs. “ancient abrasive kerf”) so you can visually separate the phases of working?

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This thread is gross.

-CryptoLutheran

Postvieww said:

Being Christian in name is not the same as being Christian in heart.

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Jesus said nothing about guns...and he certainly didn't condone people being violent towards one another....what does that have to do with the thread? At all?

Children are dead in the name of violence.

ugh

Will the violence ever end?

Breaks my heart.

Hentenza said:

It returns to the original owners not to the community or the poor. This is not redistribution of wealth.

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It is being TAKEN from the current owners and REDISTRIBUTED to the original owners.

That IS redistribution of wealth. It is LITERALLY being redistributed from one person to another.

-CryptoLutheran

Bradskii said:

Hundreds of dead children and you accuse me of being emotional? What in heaven's name does it take for you to feel something about this carnage? All you are concerned about are your rights.

These threads disgust me.

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Change must occur. Change must occur. Change must occur.

I am saying that as someone who will never own a gun and will never use one.

This is about LIFE. NOT politics.

You are sooo right @Bradskii

Bradskii said:

I'm not the slightest bit interested in anything further you and anyone else has to say on the matter. I'm up to the back teeth with these threads. I'm really at the point of saying something I'll regret responding to some of the brain dead 'arguments', positions and claims of some people. Feel free to carry on demanding that no-one trample on your 'rights'. I couldn't care less about them.

Unsubscribing.

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Your choice . If you post be prepared to be challenged. I think as little of your opinions as you do mine. So I hope the rest of your day goes well.

FaithT said:

Maybe for Cinderella!

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Well? It's certainly an interesting looking building! Not to be married in or to worship, to be fair!

FaithT said:

My first thought when I saw this thread was my church could be on the list. Michie said it was pretty around Christmastime but that’s only because the pre lit Christmas trees dressed it up. It’s your typical 70’s style church in the round,and has a Mary/Jesus mosaic behind the altar.

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I actually had a man from the same diocese from mine complain about the Cathedral.

On the other hand...

We are the most conservative diocese in the nation and we are blessed with many young men discerning for the priesthood, and have most priest per Catholic in the nation, as well as many young women join religious life, because all of our women religious and nuns wear the habit.

JosephZ said:

I'm a gun owner, and like most gun owners, I want to see stronger gun laws.

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What would those laws do and what needs to be added in your opinion to stop a demented evil person from acting out their fantasies?