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Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

Many just don’t get it. Guns are not the problem.
Certain types of guns are part of the problem.

Dayton Shooting Lasted Just 32 Seconds and Left 9 Dead.

It was just 32 seconds from the first shot to the last shot. In that time, a 24-year-old gunman with an AR-15-style assault rifle and a 100-round drum magazine was able to kill nine people and wound 27 others on a crowded street in Dayton, Ohio early Sunday.

In that time, six Dayton police officers were able to respond and open fire, killing the shooter as he tried to enter a packed bar.
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Heather Honey, researcher who has distorted 2020 voter data, appointed to Homeland Security election integrity role

Heather Honey did not "fudge" or manipulate election numbers directly,
Of course not. She's just a private citizen with no knowledge of or role in the administration of those elections. This is just a red herring or strawman.

but news reports have documented that she has repeatedly used flawed analysis of election data to promote false claims of voter fraud.
That's right. She propagated erroneous information about elections. Of course that's not a crime. Again a strawman. I am not accusing her of being a criminal. I'm accusing her of being unqualified for this job. She doesn't know what she's doing, and her 'methods' continue to produce false findings.
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Is This The New Normal?

I learned it from watching CBP documentaries.

But this has some information about the topic in it.
OK, but the sentence must first be passed in the first country, so the deportation has to follow the trial. Currently, ICE is deporting people without waiting for criminal trials, so there is no sentence.
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Might the Laws of God actually change on the New Earth?

This pathway that I described above is taught over and over again throughout the NT teachings of Christ. However, Christ teaches it in His spiritual language so that no one but those who have had their spiritual blindness healed can understand those teachings.
Somewhat enjoyable read.

The only matter I'd delineate is that we all still have sin and sin is of the devil. So who is the sinner in that equation, the person or the devil? Should be obvious, we have a usurper in the flesh temple. Which is why it is doomed to the dust. The devil(s) made perpetually homeless as each clay pot expires.

It's also why sins are not counted against people, 2 Cor. 5:19

It's also why everyone who loves knows God and is born of God. 1 John 4:7 Even though they may not be aware this is the case.

Two parties, man and tempter, walking in the same pair of shoes. But there is another between them. Most read that wherever two or more are gathered, there "I am" in the midst of them. That really is a picture of the person and the adversary, with the Divine Separator between them. All unseen other than the person. Falling upon the rock breaks us from the adversary. The adversary however is crushed to powder. Etc etc. Many pictures. The picture of Ishmael struggling with Isaac transpires within each of us, again, us and the tempter in a wrestling match. Same picture. Esau and Jacob struggling in the womb. Same picture. Satan here before man, the real unseen elder in the picture. The elder person doesn't know of his condition, being blinded by the real elder, the adversary. The second man sees his condition, like Jacob, even though at the time he probably didn't realize what he was really doing. A liar, a deceiver, a usurper, even draped in goat skins. This is the man whom God blesses because HE SEES his real God given condition. At the end of Jacob's life he lays his hands on his grandsons, wittingly, having finally figured it out. Even Joseph, the elder son being put under Pharaoh (a picture of the unseen adversary) and ending up blessed.

Head bows.....out
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Scientists fear microscopic 'mirror life' could wipe out humanity

article said:
as Adamala and her colleagues talked with biosecurity experts about the project, grave concerns began brewing. "They started to ask questions like 'have you considered what happens if that cell gets released or what would happen if it infected a human?'" Ultimately, they concluded, mirror cells could inflict "unprecedented and irreversible harm" on our world.

“We cannot rule out a scenario in which a mirror bacterium acts as an invasive species across many ecosystems, causing pervasive lethal infections in a substantial fraction of plant and animal species, including humans,” the scientists wrote. "A mirror cell poses a level of threat that is well beyond anything that has ever existed on this planet because, again, it has never existed on this planet," Cooper said. "And it's simply not worth the risk that biosafety mechanisms be built to control it."

Well, if that's the case, then why in the Sam Hill do they even want to keep working on it???? The last thing this planet needs is some crazy organism from Dr. Frankenstein's lab to get loose and destroy every last form of life on earth. Good Lord. :mad:

Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

The Minneapolis shooter passed the background check. Universal or not, it wouldn't have mattered.
That's correct, but that's only one of several gun control measures being proposed. If all of the measures listed below were enacted at the federal level, the Minneapolis shooting would have at a minimum been less severe and possibly would not have happened at all.

  • A ban on assault-style weapons and high capacity magazines;
  • Universal background checks on all gun purchases and transfers, including private transfers and sales at gun shows;
  • Require a 10 day waiting period on all gun purchases;
  • Require registration and a license for each gun that a person owns;
  • Have a minimum age limit of 21 to purchase a handgun and require a hunting license for purchases of rifles or shotguns by adults under 21 who are not in the military or law enforcement; and
  • Require training and a proficiency test for the type of gun being purchased.
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Newsome pushed back against Democracy to achieve his political goals

The one the governor is circumventing.
For the billionth time, the governor alone can't circumvent anything. It is the voters who must ratify this change (or not).
Poor Texans, they will never know the pleasure of having such a decision changed for political purposes
No, they will never have the pleasure of having the decision in their hands.
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Minneapolis Shooter Confessed He Was ‘Tired of Being Trans,’ Said ‘I Wish I Never Brainwashed Myself’...

I said this was going to happen when all this nonsense took hold, four or five years ago. When these kids finally start waking up to the outrageous lies they've been fed, there will be retaliation; and I wasn't wrong:

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DNI Gabbard Slammed for Identifying Undercover CIA Officer in tweet about pulling security clearances of 37 people

Tensions rise between Gabbard and CIA chief after her disclosure of undercover officer's name, insiders say

[Gabbard's disclosure] alarmed the agency’s workforce, the sources said, and is the latest example of simmering tensions and crossed signals between Gabbard and CIA Director John Ratcliffe. The two have clashed previously over her decisions, including earlier this month when Gabbard declassified a lightly redacted document related to Russian election interference.

Two former government officials said their read of the situation is that Gabbard is under pressure to regain President Donald Trump’s confidence. Gabbard fell out of favor with Trump and his aides earlier this year after she posted a video and delivered testimony about Iran’s nuclear capabilities.

Apart from highlighting the divide between Gabbard and Ratcliffe, the episode also illustrates the effect of a widening and unpredictable purge of career government officials deemed insufficiently loyal.

[The person in question was a Russia expert, worked on the assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election, and] "did most of the prep for the Putin summit and to this day has no idea why her clearance was removed,” said a former colleague, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing fear of retaliation from the Trump administration.

Apart from the CIA analyst, there were at least two other current intelligence officers on Gabbard’s list. One was Vinh Nguyen at the National Security Agency, who colleagues say was recognized as the intelligence community’s top mind on cutting-edge technology such as artificial intelligence. The government recruited Nguyen at the age of 17 and he was the youngest NSA employee ever promoted to a senior position, former colleagues said.

Former intelligence officers described him as a generational genius who could not be replaced. “The U.S. government is the big loser here,” said a former senior intelligence official, referring to Nguyen’s ouster. [He also worked on the assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election.]
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Another embarrassment - this time Trump is dead

Trump Death Hoax Explained: Why the Internet Thought Trump Died



It all started with the claim that Trump hadn’t been seen in two days, which was proven false by multiple reports. However, the White House’s silence on the rumors contributed to the speculation.
Yeah but when times are tough people will latch on to anything that gives them hope that better times might be on the way.

Sadly they don’t that an administration under someone who is at least a competent MAGA proponent will be far worse than the flailing vindictive junta America now labours under.
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Heather Honey, researcher who has distorted 2020 voter data, appointed to Homeland Security election integrity role

Absolutely - one evidence is the 100% tribe speak through the Democratic Party who touted the party line that Joe Biden was the sharpest he has ever been - right up until the time they turned on him and forced a sitting President out of a reelection campaign. Where were the independent thinkers?
We often disagree, but I completely agree with you this time. From January 2021 to January 2025, most Democrats supported President Biden, with only Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema opposing his administration. Both are no longer Democrats.

If moderate Democrats had challenged President Biden’s China policy and reversed President Trump’s 2019 tariffs, inflation might not have been as severe in 2022. However, most congressional Democrats remained silent and supported the president.

If Democrats had addressed President Biden’s health concerns in 2003 and challenged him in a primary with televised debates, his condition could have been made clear to the American public, possibly resulting in a different 2024 DNC nominee than Kamala Harris.

This has been the nature of American politics since 2006, when Democrats took control of Congress and opposed President Bush with little dissent. Cooperation with the opposition party ceased to be valued. In 2010, Republicans responded in kind by opposing President Obama, mirroring the same lack of collaboration for the country's benefit. And this continues until today.

It's not just politicians—the voters act the same way. Today, American voter rarely admit when their own side does something wrong. You criticize Democrats for tribal behavior, but if I ask about Republicans, you simply tell me to start a new thread.

You ask where independent thinking is reflected. It is present in this post. I do not hesitate to critique both Democrats and Republicans, and I am willing to acknowledge when I am mistaken. That is how independent thinking operates. Independent thinking involves evaluating all perspectives objectively, rather than only highlighting others' faults while ignoring one's own mistakes. Critical and independent thinking are effective only when all aspects are considered impartially.
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Idolatry

If Catholics and Orthodox say they don't worship idols, they are telling the simple truth - nothing more and nothing less.

Also our Anglican and Lutheran friends and many other Protestants who have been smeared in this thread by the false accusation of idolatry.
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Why we Christians still have to struggle with sins?

Our battles are not with flesh and blood but with principalities and powers.
Apples and oranges?

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Eph 6:12)​

9.14 σὰρξ καὶ αἷμα: (an idiom, literally ‘flesh and blood’) a human being in contrast with a divine being—‘person, human being.’ σὰρξ καὶ αἷμα οὐκ ἀπεκάλυψέν σοι ‘it was not revealed to you by any human being’ or ‘no person ever revealed it to you’ Mt 16:17. [Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). In Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 105). United Bible Societies.]​
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The Word in the Heart's righteousness by the Faith

In Romans 10:10 is the clause, "For with the heart man believeth unto (INTO in the Greek) righteousness" connected to verse s 6-8 where it states, Faith speaks on this wise, say not in our heart bring Christ down from above or up from the deep. But says, The Word is in our heart and in our mouth. That is the word of faith in which we preach.
And is this the faith that establishes the Law (3:31) and the faith that the Just live by? (1:17)
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Philemon commentary

Good observations! This happens to be all things Krezmann commentates on as well. He even added an article on slavery after the commentary on Philemon:

It is a very nice article. I wish employers and governments would think that way more often. It also covers the argument that some have against the Bible.
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