JosephZ said:

Happening now:

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An active shooter was reported at a church Sunday morning, Sept. 28, in Grand Blanc Township, police said.

The incident happened at The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

There are multiple victims – it’s not clear how many – and the shooter is down, police said. The church is actively on fire.

Active shooter reported at Michigan church with multiple victims

Police said the church is actively on fire.

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Regardless of the who, this is truly horrendous. People should never be targeted for violence like this, not ever. My prayers are with all the victims and their families.

Yarddog said:

This body is temporary and it needs to end so that we can receive the uncorrupt eternal spiritual body. How can that be a bad thing?

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Seen from a genetic point here I think what happened was some form of genetic malfunctioning. But it does not cut it, as it is much worse. Almost like..another reality. Tree of life hidden and all.

Bradskii said:

Surely not. You like someone more because of what they have done over and above what caused you to like them in the first place. No-one likes someone more just because someone else likes them less. Makes no sense at all to me. But...you be you.

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Clearly you don't know the addictive thrill of pure spite.

Kathleen30 said:

The natural order is that we would all remain goats if it wasn’t for supernatural intervention by the God. And the very reason we are now called sheep and not goats. Clare unless of course you believe in universalism . Of which their arguments are interesting in their belief that there will be an eventual universal redemption for all humanity.. And if true. Then it still would solely be determined by the God and not by us.

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Actually, I believe there are sheep and goats, who remain sheep and goats as they do in the natural order, which is patterned on the spiritual order.

No one comes to God unless they are enabled by the Holy Spirit (Jn 6:65).
All that the Father gives to Jesus will come to Jesus (Jn 6:37). . .not all come, therefore, not all are sheep given to Jesus.
Jesus shall lose none of all that the Father has given him (Jn 6:39).

The invitation is to those hearers whom God enables.

Jesus came to call and save the sheep.

They are supported by Sarah Wagenknecht. She's been arguing that the fastest road to peace is surrender since the Ukranian War began.

iarwain said:

Because without the fall of man, and sin, this step would not be necessary. Death is a consequence of sin. But you're right, in our current state, it is necessary.

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It is one thing I like to know in detail asking when I meet him. Or later. It is interesting what happened in detail genetics

Chesterton said:

The president is the executive of law.

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I think he misunderstood what "execute" as in "faithfully execute the laws" means...

Bob Crowley said:

I think nurses would collectively have their fair share of ghostly stories, both good and bad especially those involved in palliative care and nursing homes.

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I don't think death is at all attractive. I can't see anything romantic in a corpse.

But as Christians we have Christ's promise that death is not the end. I remember a story my old pastor told a few of us about an elderly woman he was visiting in hospital when he was still a new pastor. He said she was a saintly lady. She was lying unconscious in bed, but then suddenly she sat up, reached out and cried "I'm coming Jesus!".

Then she fell back dead. He said she looked just like a young girl despite her age and illness. He remarked "It was an eye-opener for a young pastor!"

I take the conventional line - we die and are judged. I'm biased because I've often claimed, and will go on claiming, my father appeared in my room the night he died. We talked, argued and at the end he gave this blood curdling scream and disappeared. It was obvious something was coming for him and he was terrified to the core.

His body was lying dead several kilometres away, and as it turned out wasn't discovered for four days. Yet we were talking and arguing, despite him being sans brain, sans eyes, sans ears, sans speaking apparatus etc. Obviously I'm a dualist in that we have both body and soul, and that our soul is intelligent and communicable in it's own right.

Death is not the end, but there is a judgement. We can try all we want to bring God down to our size and get him to agree to our concept of morality, politics and all the rest, but He won't have it. He is the judge - not us.

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What you say here are in line with what the exorcists of the catholic faith says. I believe it. They say that 90% of the dead people we see are demonic but that it happens that some want to say good bye or asking for prayers as they have difficulty moving on. And how with prayer they`re gone. You mentioned age. I`m 54. I think there is something to it what you say about it.

Clare73 said:

Jesus' death was God's judgment (mandate, sentence of punishment) for/on my sin, necessary to restore me to God's favor.
There will be no mandate, sentence of punishment for me on that day.

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SabbathBlessings said:

I see your words here, I am going have to stick with Jesus words about His judgment

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Does that include Jesus' words in: "He who believes in me is not condemned (no judgment to, mandate for nor sentence of punishment)" (Jn 3:18)?

Break down the dates of Jeremiah 52:28-30

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

At the start of the chapter, Peter discusses false prophets and teachers who have never truly accepted Christ. Though they know Christ, his teachings, the gospel, and the path to salvation, they have not welcomed Christ into their hearts. Paul also wrote about false teacher and false prophet in his latter. These people “Know” God all to well, they “Know “ the way to salvation but they are never saved.

Hebrew 6: 4-8 is another example of these kind of people.

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[c] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those f You have not tasted theor whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.

Many people “know/enlighten” God and understand the path to eternity, yet have never truly accepted Christ. I am sure you know such person in your life, I am praying for two such individuals—family friends who grew up in Christian homes, know scripture, and understand the reasons for Christ’s sacrifice and salvation, but have never genuinely accepted Christ and now no longer believe in God.

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You do not share in the Holy Spirit unless you are saved. You have not tasted the powers of the coming age, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the manifest powers, unless you are saved. You cannot be brought back to repentance unless God has granted you repentance before. Check Acts 5:31 and Acts 11:18. Humans, even Hebrews, have no idea of all they need to repent of for God to accept human repentance. (When Peter called for the Jews to repent in acts 2 and 3, He named the sin they needed to repent of which was their being active in putting Jesus on the cross.) In Hebrews above the writer is discussing Messianic Hebrews who are about to lose or have lost salvation.

Show me some scriptures that prove unsaved people share in the Holy Spirit, the powers of the age to come.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. NKJV

The false prophets were bought, redeemed, by Jesus.

2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. NKJV

The false teachers, who had once been redeemed, were trying to teach other saved people to deflect.

2 Peter 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. NKJV

Once again no one escapes the pollutions (sins) of the world until they receive Jesus as their savior. The only people who can turn from the Holy Command delivered by the Apostles.

John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. NKJV

Here is a scripture which proves that unless one believes in Jesus that the person is still condemned. They are condemned because they have not escaped the pollutions of the world. They are still in sin.

Yarddog said:

This body is temporary and it needs to end so that we can receive the uncorrupt eternal spiritual body. How can that be a bad thing?

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Because without the fall of man, and sin, this step would not be necessary. Death is a consequence of sin. But you're right, in our current state, it is necessary.

Richard T said:

Sorry for all you have to deal with. The job does not sound good for you. I would just trust God and let him pick up the pieces. I once worked at a drug and alcohol in patient center some years ago. A teenage patient asked me for prayer and possibly deliverance. The parents found out and were mad so I was called on the carpet for that. I think they were going to fire me but I said that I would not pray or do anything religious again. (This was a secular place). So while I got to keep my job, my compromise to not pray etc. really made the whole place demonic to me. So much that I quit in three weeks and got some deliverance myself. There really was something that occurred from that. As a Christian to any reader, I would never let the rights of a organization supersede your Christian duty. Yes, you can work in secular jobs but never say you won't share or pray if asked. Better to not push the envelop than to have to pledge something that is not a Christian duty.

I don't know if that can relate to you. You faced a demonic force in a different way. In my case, I could hardly make it through a shift after my compromise, hence I threw in the towel pretty quick. I will say too that later after praying for a "decent" job. I landed a temporary job at a Fortune 500 company that led to a permanent position. That company was far more than "decent," and God was very much involved as I am sure he is with you.

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To see there is something more going on here, something spiritual something just happened, when I was in the new age, I had contacted a lady that offered to help regarding twinflames and my personal difficult experiences. I heard nothing ever. Who have just contacted me and a lengthy one. No joke. Like pearls on a string. So obvious. I was like, wow!

Daniel Carlton said:

See this is the problem with self professing Christians - you claim to be on the right path but your actions betray you. The women’s asking for advice, all you can do is pontificate. Which was not asked for and not needed.

I have read early church history and what you are saying about liturgies is not correct.

Perhaps the pastor of the OP church and you have a similar sort of ego problem. Instead actually listening to people and genuinely trying to help, you want to make yourself look good. Terrible attitude and not fit for the pulpit.

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Are you perhaps confusing two different participants in this thread?

The OP, @RamiC , was asking for prayers and encouragement and ideas as she begins a new ministry at her church. As far as I can tell, she's quite happy with her church.

More recently, @RickardoHolmes posted saying that he's had trouble making friendship connections within his church, because his church isn't very friendly and welcoming to newcomers. That's a problem that I very much sympathize with, and I hope his congregation realizes what they've been doing and gets better at opening their friendship circles to new people. But note that the problem there isn't the liturgy. RickardoHolmes has said that he travels a significant distance to attend this church, because of its liturgy. The problem is the community. Rickardo's ideal (as I understand it) would be a church with high-church liturgy and a friendly community, both at the same time.

RamiC said:

If you mean me when you say "The poor lady is suffering because of a church" I can assure you that I am not. I have a disability which causes me to have some difficulty relating to children, but my church were looking for an artist for the children, so I offerred. There are others who are quite able to cover me for the children part. I just asked for prayer because it is always good to have prayer behind things, I pray all the time, I do not require suffering to motivate it.

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I actually made a mistake and posted in the wrong thread. There was a different thread where the member was saying how they ''did not like their church'' and so i assumed they were suffering in that sense.

HIM said:

I didn't read it, so I don't know.

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But I did read your post, and I responded to it, because although it is a popular religious philosophy promoted by this world's religious system, it is untrue just the same, according to the Holy Scriptures. The preaching that God's Laws, and Feasts, even the Least of them, are against Paul and the Church of God, is not true, according to Scriptures. The "Jews religion" had Laws and Commandments of men that were against Paul and the Church of God, but God's Laws were not, at least this is what my study has found. I made this case in the post you refused to read, because you made a false assumption about my "Comment" being about a video that I told you I didn't watch.

With just one google search I found over 160 u-tube videos on the book of Colossians alone, all by men who call Jesus Lord, Lord and are convinced they hold the truth. My friend, consider Paul's words here.

Gal. 6: 1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. 3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. 4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

At some point, a man needs to take responsibility for his own work. I did you no wrong, and yet just look at the way you are treating me.

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I do know that almost no one I ever heard shares what the video brings out. So his comment about "it" (Your Video) being of the philosophy of this world is unfounded.

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Had you read my post, which is only the simplest of common kindness, you would have known that I don't watch religious u-tube videos. I even told you why in a kind and respectful way. And yet because you didn't read my post, as I read yours, you are now telling falsehoods about me to others, about me judging your video, after you judge me as a Pompous idiot for questioning your teaching.

Shouldn't you step back a little Him, and check yourself?

" but the sabbaths that pertained to the ceremonies that were tied to the forgiveness mention in verse 2:13 in respect to the sacrificial system and judgments "that were against us" as verse 14 states,

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This Philosophy that God's Laws and Judgments, including His Holy Feasts, were against Paul and the Church of God, is very popular. Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, all the Popes, countless Protestant preachers from many different religious sects and businesses have all promoted this philosophy that you posted, I have heard them since I was a kid 60 years ago. And they still do.

Now I get being frustrated, getting angry when questioned, lashing out at others because of pride. Lord knows I struggle with these things every day. So I understand and certainly am not going to hold any of this against you, although someone greater than I might.

I would prefer to have an honest, open discussion about whose "handwriting of Ordinances" were against Paul and the Body of Christ, and while we are at it, "Whose law relegated a repentant Gentile as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world" and built a "wall of separation" mentioned in Eph. 2.

Remember your own signature, which I love, " We can never learn if we think we are learnt. The greatest thing we can know is we don't know anything. At that point we can learn. Many teach, but not many been taught."

Read my post, and speak to it if you want. Or not. But stop lying about me judging a u-tube video that I never watched.

boughtwithaprice said:

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. While I don’t agree with it, it helps me to understand your thinking.

You say there was chaos at the beginning of creation. Where did this chaos come from?
Are you saying God is the author of chaos, and merely to glory in power does He bring forth order?
If not, then from where did the chaos come ?

I still see in scripture that the words translated without form and void refer to the Earth which was not created until the third day.

Peter says in his Epistle that the Earth was created from water, not chaos Peter writes in 2Peter 3

1 Behold this second epistle I write to you, my dearly beloved, in which I stir up by way of admonition your sincere mind: 2 That you may be mindful of those words which I told you before from the holy prophets, and of your apostles, of the precepts of the Lord and Saviour. 3 Knowing this first, that in the last days there shall come deceitful scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 Saying: Where is his promise or his coming? for since the time that the fathers slept, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they are wilfully ignorant of, that the heavens were before, and the earth out of water, and through water, consisting by the word of God.


He says the water consisted by the word of God. Am I to believe that the word of God is chaos?

Evolutionists say that order comes from chaos. Ate we to believe the same?

Scripture tells me that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is who was, is now, and is to come, the Almighty
He is not the author of chaos


Jesus also was conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of the Virgin Mary. If we are to believe she is a sinner, then we are to believe Christ sprang forth from sin. This is logically fallacious to claim that He who is without sin was brought forth by sin. No, I prefer to worship God who is without sin and not the author of chaos. Mary is full of the grace of God which keeps her from sin. If it does not, then how will we be kept from sin I heaven? You say the full grace of God is not capable and you say neither does the Holy Spirit who regenerates us. Does this mean we have no hope of freedom from sin? How then can we see God and enter heaven? Where does it say in scripture we will never be free from sin?

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The earth was in a chaotic state (without form and void) until God made it habitable.

Evolutionists from the very beginning believe that something came from nothing.

"If we are to believe she is a sinner, then we are to believe Christ sprang forth from sin"

No because Jesus was conceived by the holy spirit.

The key is that while Jesus received His human physical characteristics and genetics from Mary, His conception was a unique, supernatural event initiated by the Holy Spirit, not a natural, biological one.

Everything is through Jesus.

Believers are called to actively resist sin, to wrestle, strive, and run hard against it, with the help of the Holy Spirit.

The complete eradication of sin will only occur after Christ's Second Coming and the millennium.

Hans Blaster said:

A bill from a previous Congress (the 117th, the current one is the 119th) is literally and totally DEAD. It can not be brought back up for consideration.

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Ha! You say that like you know how the government works.

They were going hang Mike Pence if they found him.
They were ransacking the capital.
I hope to Hades there were undercover agents there.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Just trying to fix what Biden/Harris messed up...

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He's doing a great job of making things worse.

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So what can we conclude about Christianity from that?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I look fwd to it too! Russia hoax...

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What Russia hoax?