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Another look at the moon landing.

Because he was one of the first to receive a film
He received a film.
There were astronauts who were there. Some of them became Christians afterwards. They came to know Jesus who IS Truth, were filled with the Spirit of Truth and read God's word which is truth.
Yet you are calling them liars.
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What do You Mean by Believe?

Salvation by faith, but is that faith in the teachings of Christ, or faith in the essence of Christ?
Faith in Him as God and Savior ( the Son of God: The Father, Son, & Holy Spirit). We need to imitate ( as our individual situations permit in light of wealth, poverty, health etc.) this with thanksgiving for the gift of salvation ( 2 Corinthians 9:6-15 etc.).
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Would the promotion of the First Absolute Law of Logic help establish the concept of God?

"Species" are invented, not discovered.
The division into particular named groups is a human invention. That cows are different from kumquats is observation about reality. Whether we gave them names or not, the would still be related by descent from a common ancestor -- that's what the evidence says, and that has nothing to do with what we call them.
No one argues the micro-evolution theory.
If you want to include the evolution of cows and kumquats from their common ancestor as part of microevolution, great.
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War Secretary Hegseth orders rare, urgent meeting of hundreds of generals, admirals Sep 30 in Virginia

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has ordered an urgent and unprecedented gathering of hundreds of U.S. generals and admirals at a Marine Corps base in Virginia, causing widespread confusion within the Department of Defense. The unusual directive, which did not state a reason for the meeting, was sent to virtually all of the military's top commanders worldwide.

  • The rare meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, September 30, at Marine Corps Base Quantico in Virginia.
  • Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell confirmed the meeting, telling The Washington Post that Hegseth "will be addressing his senior military leaders early next week," but offered no further details.
Probably just a "very basic pulse check".
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Left-Wing Terrorism Is on the Rise

Let's focus on this part. They are working with a relatively small window of time, with a relatively limited dataset, to support their implied claims.
Yes, it's too early to tell if this is a trend or just a blip at this point. Unfortunately, I think it may be the beginning of a trend as the current administration's policies that undermine the rule of law and weaken human rights affect such a large segment of the population. This will likely lead to more political violence from those directly affected by these policies and those who sympathize with them going forward.
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Charlie Kirk's Memorial Service: Let's Talk About That.

False!Where is your official source that says the would be Trump assassin was republican?

In the days following the assassination attempt, social media swirled with misinformation about the shooter. Crooks was a registered Republican, and there is no evidence he had a criminal record, contrary to popular claims online.


In the book, Routh also wrote that he voted for Trump in 2016, but came to regret that decision after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.​

Former Trump supporter then?
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Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) or Keep the faith until the end?

That's like saying I changed a dog into a cat so now it freely meows.
You know theology better than that.
That requires an entirely different being, not the same being now making a different free choice.
And you know, or you should know, that a change of disposition (from fear to love, from discouragement to courage, from rejection of God to love of God, from indifference to obedience) is not a change of natural being, one is still the same human being.
If God just wants obedience at the end of the day then there'd be no reason for allowing disobedience to begin with, no reason for ever giving man the gift of free will, IOW
For starters, "free will" is not in the NT. . .we are born slaves to sin (Jn 8:34). . .slaves are not free.
Free will is a philosophical notion (asserted by Pelagius), not a Biblical notion.

And indeed, disobedience/sin is part of God's plan from before creation (Ro 11:32) to show forth his glorify through the glory of his Son.
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Left-Wing Terrorism Is on the Rise

The study discussed in the article hasn't been released yet, so it will be interesting to read the methodology used and why they labeled Mangione as a left-wing extremist. My guess would be that they classified him as left-wing anti-establishment due to his position on the US healthcare system. In my opinion, his was a case of single-issue extremism rather than left and should be classified as such.
Yes, it would be interested how they flushed that out. The way I see it; the frustration of people paying good money for insurance and then have their claims constantly "Artificial Intel auto denied" is not left-wing. That frustration is everyone's position no matter who. Yes, he acted on it, but does that mean he's "left wing".

I think this is no more left wing or right wing than the guy who flew his plane into an IRS building acting out the same kind of frustrations a whole lot of people have with the IRS.
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War Secretary Hegseth orders rare, urgent meeting of hundreds of generals, admirals Sep 30 in Virginia

Well, it is what is written in the Constitution. But Congress has been giving more and more to the Executive.

What does Congress have any power over that they haven't given to the Executive?
Congressional paychecks.
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What do You Mean by Believe?

The Law of God given to Moses is not cancelled or voided. There is an eye for an eye. There is measure punishment for sin.

There are many passages in the Bible that you are absolutely convinced are taking about eternal judgment, but if you read them carefully, they could be talking about temporal judgment which was a big thing in the Old Testament. How did it get completely erased in Christianity?
Universal reconciliation was declared anathema in the Fifth Ecumenical Council.

“If anyone says or thinks that the punishment of demons and impious men is only temporary, and will one day have an end, and that a restoration will take place of demons and impious men, let him be anathema.” Page 465 section IX.”


Secondly, eternal actually does mean eternal in scripture. Yes, aionios does mean eternal not “for an age”.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Except for the Kurds.
Of course not. If there is one geopolitical issue which unites all the countries of the world, it's that the Kurds should not have a homeland. I never could understand quite why, but never mind, back to the OP.
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Majority of Americans Believe Democracy ‘Isn’t Working’

Now ask the 74% of GOP members who say democracy is working how many believe the 2020 election was not won legitimately by President Biden.

Democracy is often questioned when the opposition is in power—claims arise about a broken system, corrupt agencies, or a fake market—but when one's own party is leading, everything is considered fine.
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War Secretary Hegseth orders rare, urgent meeting of hundreds of generals, admirals Sep 30 in Virginia

Such old think.
Well, it is what is written in the Constitution. But Congress has been giving more and more to the Executive.

What does Congress have any power over that they haven't given to the Executive?
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Another look at the moon landing.

Because he was one of the first to receive a film that was not meant for public distribution, bart went on to post this film that showed how the astronauts on Apollo 11 had faked their moon mission.


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The film is not real. It never has been. I actually know engineers that worked on the Apollo program including my father in law. They is objective evidence compared to Bart’s made up story.
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Charlie Kirk's Memorial Service: Let's Talk About That.

I didn’t watch but from the clips I’ve seen it looked more like a WWE style political rally similar to last year’s RNC than any wake or funeral or “celebration of life” event you typically see after someone passes. I don’t think funerals need to always be somber events but the political undertones here along with on stage pyrotechnics cross the line into just plain tacky.
IT all seems like some ochestrated to some kind of end.
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Majority of Americans Believe Democracy ‘Isn’t Working’

The new Quinnipiac University Poll released on Tuesday found 53% of citizens believe American democracy is not working right now, compared to 41% of Americans who believe the system is going fine.

Those on the left, unsurprisingly, were much more likely to say the figurative house is burning down, with 74% of polled Democrats saying “the system of democracy in the United States is not working”; only 22% of Republicans said it is not working, and 74% of GOP voters said there is no problem at all.

What do You Mean by Believe?

I believe the key to understand where the Lord ( & the prophets, apostles etc.) speak of condemnation of non believers like in John 3:16-21, John 3:36, John 5:22-30, Romans 3:19-26 etc.are stern warnings of the worst possible consequences of unbelief.

These consequences aren’t guaranteed to every individual who may not have known or understood properly the Lord Jesus Christ and the Gospel. I believe the ultimate meaning of this is said by the Lord towards His direct persecutors in John 15:24-25 etc. The Lord, I believe, is definitely not comparing such sinful unbelief to someone like a Japanese Shinto fisherman back in the ancient day or uninformed, confused etc. people to this day. Statements like Matthew 12:30-33 etc., I believe, apply here also. The parable of the Good Samaritan in Luke 10:25-37 is really interesting because the Lord is speaking of the great commandments ( which are the law & prophets really, see Matthew 7:12 in light of Matthew 7:1-12, Matthew 22:36-40 etc.) in relation to the humanity of a Samaritan (!). This all lines up with what St. Paul tells us about individuals within humanity vs overall humanity in Romans 2:6-16 etc ( I believe).

We have to be careful not to soft pedal warnings of condemnation either; these are real & serious. In Romans 3:19-26 St. Paul is speaking back on the issue of fallen humanity. A Christian has salvation by grace, through faith unto justification lived by faith in good works ( Ephesians 2:8-10 etc.). All a non Christian has is their works and a somber appearance at the judgement ( Revelation 20:11-15 etc.)although it seems clear some will be written in the book of life. We cannot judge ( Matthew 7:1-12) but we can pray for ourselves & our neighbor (1 Timothy 2:1-6 etc.).
Salvation by faith, but is that faith in the teachings of Christ, or faith in the essence of Christ?
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