Flat or round earth -The final experiment.
- By Larniavc
- Conspiracy Theories
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If the Earth is flat what is the mechanism that is causing it's rotation to slow down?
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If the Earth is flat what is the mechanism that is causing it's rotation to slow down?
I will answer this for whoever is still reading this thread. I have many other things going on in my life. I can't read these threads as often as I would like to.Not the proof I was asking for. This is just the opinion of Ignatius about the role of bishops.
I was clearly asking you where is the proof that the RCC has the complete oral teaching of Christ/apostles.
I am losing interest/patience in waiting for your answers. You take 14 weeks pause and then come with non-answers. So I am logging out of this thread.
It is enshrined in the laws. If the law supports thievery, then thieves flourish.That's what thieves and those that support thievery say.
Wait, you aren't one of those who require an actual conviction before labeling? In any case, not all, by a long shot, thefts arise to being felonious.If one can prove ownership, then if someone refuses to leave they are nothing g more than a thief and a felon.
But nowhere do read that the apostles were priests, or that each local church should have a priest.I also appreciate your sincerity in studying scripture. Confession to a priest is taught in scripture. We read in the gospel that after the resurrection and before His ascension, Christ breathed on the Apostles and gave them the power to forgive and retain sins. Also, every Christian is not given apostolic authority as the word of God says, He gave some Apostles…
So if an Apostle has the authority to forgive sins, and I know that I am not an apostle, I go to one that has Apostolic authority
But the Old Testament that the Jews used did not include the apocryphal books like Wisdom, 1 & 2 Esdras, etc. Most of the 39 books of the OT are quoted or referred to in the New Testament, but not the pocryphal books.Prayers for the dead are not taught in the Bible that you read because Martin Luther removed the books that speak of it. We also have evidence of early Christian practice of praying for the dead
Thanks again for a thoughtful and thought-provoking post.What or who gave Luther the authority to do what he did? If we rely on Luther’s authority, then do we really have and submit to the scriptures?
All authority must come from legitimate sources, it cannot be claimed for oneself. The Anglicans lost their apostolic authority when they followed Henry VIII in rebellion against the Church and allowed Henry to proclaim himself head of the church. I can understand a distaste for that. Those that remain outside apostolic authority have none. We do have an Anglican rite in the Catholic Church whose priests have submitted to the Pope and have regained their apostolic authority.
God loves all of His children and people of all nations tribes and tongues come to worship Him
I also appreciate your sincerity in studying scripture. Confession to a priest is taught in scripture. We read in the gospel that after the resurrection and before His ascension, Christ breathed on the Apostles and gave them the power to forgive and retain sins. Also, every Christian is not given apostolic authority as the word of God says, He gave some Apostles…Thank you for your courteous reply.
That was the very point I was making. The Bereans did not go to some ecclesiastical authority to check the truth of the preaching; they read the bible. As for starting a local church, we are not told that they did so, but once they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, they would have wanted to join a local company of Christians. If there wasn't already such a church in Berea, they would have met together to worship God, and formed a local church there.
I have not ever been a Roman Catholic, but I was brought up in what became a very "high" Anglican church, and believed at that time in things like confession to a "priest", praying for the dead, praying to Christians who had died, bowing my head every time I mentioned the name "Jesus," and so on. When I began to understand that such things are not taught in the bible, I joined a church which taught bible truths.
Thanks again for your considerate post. It is good that we can discuss, and sometimes disagree, without becoming unpleasant or rude to one another.
The devil is an immitator. So what if we share postures with Hinduism? Should we study Hinduism to imitate more of their postures and worship of their false gods?So you think we should never relax? I don't get that point of view. What about when we sleep? We are totally unguarded then.
If that is true then we should follow the advice of St John of the Cross:
"And finally all the worst deceptions which are caused by the devil, and the evils that he brings to the soul, enter by way of knowledge and reflections of the memory, Thus if the memory enter into darkness with respect to them all, and be annihilated in its oblivion to them, it shuts the door altogether upon this evil which proceeds from the devil, and frees itself from all these things, which is a great blessing. For the devil has no power over the soul unless it be through the operations of its faculties, principally by means of knowledge, whereupon depend almost all the other operations of the other faculties. Wherefore, if the memory be annihilated with respect to them, the devil can do naught; for he finds no foothold, and without a foothold he is powerless.
If that is a concern there are very many postures and gestures we share with Hinduism.
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This is very well written.When I was a YEC I don't think I was able to really conceive of how the two could come together. Years later, and now looking at things; it's really not problematic at all. There are still complications that I don't pretend don't exist. But on this specific matter, it's hardly difficult to conceive of the possibility that at some point there is a clear distinction between the "mere animal" and the "rational creature". When this happened, exactly when--we might say--Adam and Eve lived is probably not the sort of thing we're going to know. But this isn't particularly difficult: from a purely evolutionary perspective at some point hominids became not only clever apes, but creatures capable of deep, complex self-reflective thought, creatures of reason, moral agency and moral reflection. That capacity for moral thinking, for deep complex self-reflection and contemplating one's own existence in the world is not something my dog has, it's not something even our weird cousins the chimpanzees have (who are, let's not pretend otherwise, incredibly clever and still incredibly intelligent).
I don't just have the capacity to do something wrong--I can recognize that what I did was, indeed, wrong. That my actions introduce something deeply problematic to the world--my actions actually wound, and I know they do--and I do them anyway.
There's clearly something very different about me--and all of us human beings--from all other animals. And I'm not convinced that science and a purely naturalistic methodology is capable of truly plumbing the depths of that. I am very clearly more than just the sum of my parts, I'm more than just an assemblage of atoms, more than bio-chemical machinery, I'm more than just the grey-matter between my ears, more than just a series of input-output responses to sensation and external stimuli. I have a soul. I'm me, I am myself. And I am a me that meets you, and you are you--you are yourself, another person. Personhood extends beyond material demonstration--but arises from something much deeper. And, as a Christian, I think the very clear answer, given to us by divine revelation, is that our own personhood is a gift from our Creator. He made us in His image.
So there was an Adam and an Eve, and we're all descended from them. And that doesn't negate the reality that, as we observe the fossil record, as we observe and study genetics and molecular biology, we see that all living things on this planet share common descent, that human beings share a very real genetic and biological common ancestor with chimpanzees, with all the other great apes, and that we see all manner of now extinct hominids who left behind their remains, fossils and even tools.
How all this works out to the jot and tiddle is, probably nothing we're going to figure out. But what we receive by Divine Revelation; and what we receive by natural disclosure are not two contradictory stories; they are both true stories. The Good Creator God, if we truly believe He is the Good Creator God, did not create a false universe, a lying universe, but a good and truthful universe. So if something is, indeed, objectively true about the universe in what the universe "tells" us through its own self-existent reality (e.g. I see a mountain, there really is a mountain, I see a river, there really is a river, etc) then it's true. To suggest otherwise indicates a willingness to believe the old Gnostic lie; that the material world is at best an illusion created by a false sub-god or at worst an evil prison created by an arrogant tyrant evil false god. But the Christian Confession is straight to the point:
We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth, of all things seen and unseen.
-CryptoLutheran
The Kingdom was stripped from them and given to the Church, the only "Holy Nation". The "requirement" to enter the Kingdom is the same for all. Jesus.During the Great Tribulation, supporting Israel will be a requirement for unbelieving gentiles to enter the kingdom (Matthew 25:31-46)
But now, no, because Israel has fallen, we have salvation direct and purely from grace (Romans 11:11)
The resurrection/rapture event of 1Thessalonians4:14-18 will be before the great tribulation begins. Thus, I agree that them resurrected in Revelation 20:4, the martyred great tribulation saints, will not be resurrected until after Jesus returns.I have no argument with Pauls statement in 1 Thess 4:14.
I just point out that he does not say 'all' Christians will be resurrected then. And the proof they won't be is in Revelation 20:4-5
I have no argument with Pauls statement in 1 Thess 4:14.keras, the dead in Christ are Christians who have died. For them to rise, they will have to be resurrected.
Are you sure of that? Self-styled works are not written against in the Bible? Works done apart from Christ's virtue aren't spoken against in the Bible?As the only sort of "works" written against in the bible, are the works of the Law; "works" is largely a moot point.
But I agree with you. True operation of Faith requires a demonstration of Works. Otherwise, it is Faith In Name Only.Much is required of converts to get on the road to glory.
Yeah.
Their POVs on works are entirely different.
Paul, viewing it from the anti-"works of the Law for salvation" perspective, while James is looking at it from the perspective of "labors" being the fruit of the Spirit.
i) That doesn't answer my question.-This verse is addressing the earth (the land) water is not included in this.
As my belief during Jesus 1000 year rule on earth when satan is locked up. The earth will again be a single circular piece of land.
I don't know Greek, but I looked it up in a concordance, and found:-What is the Greek for breadth (of the earth) used in Revelation.