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Israel-Hamas Thread II

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The endless list of Palestinian refugees must come to an end

Only among Palestinians is refugeehood passed down from generation to generation, with their numbers continuing to grow, even if they obtain citizenship elsewhere. This means that even an American citizen can be counted as a Palestinian refugee. A case in point: US Muslim millionaire Mohamed Hadid, father of five, including two famous fashion models, is classified under UNRWA as a Palestinian refugee. Hadid was born in Nazareth in November 1948, months after Israel’s founding, during the War of Independence. His family moved to Lebanon, then to Syria, and finally settled in the United States. This is an example of the absurdity in the definition of Palestinian refugeehood. (Excerpt)

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docs.un.org. 9607th meeting (p.19)

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In addition to creating supermodels, Mohamed Hadid is known for creating supermansions, as in the case of Le Belvedere, a massive and elaborate Bel Air estate that sold for a record-setting $50 million in 2010.
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Trump calls Epstein disclosures battle ‘a Democrat hoax’

Which means what follows is nothing more than one opinion.

The facts remain unchanged.

Number one. Maxwell claims he was nothing but a gentleman.
Claim worth zero for obvious reasons.

Number two flight log show he was never at the island
There could be planes other than Epstein's.

Number three the victims state he wasn’t involved in the sexual abuse
Now that would be worth something. How do we know this?
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Gibbons Decline & Fall & Christianity

I am not denying the sins of anyone. Fortunately Jesus was always there with his Church, bringing forth saints when they were needed. I don't think we as mere humans should be judging any generation as a whole.
I'm certainly not judging any generation as a whole. I am presenting history regarding the ongoing struggles of God's professed peoples as corporate bodies, regarding their and humanities unending struggles with our fallen natures. These apostate times among the professed peoples of God which they have dealt with all throughout the history recorded in the scriptures. Which God has seen fit to record for our benefit that we might not repeat the failings of our fathers. The bible faithfully records the sins and short comings of even the greatest biblical figures, the nation of Israel itself, and even several problems arising during the days of the apostles themselves.

Identifying the root of some these apostasies will help us today, avoid repeating these mistakes of history. God warned Israel of the dire effects of choosing a king to rule over them in the place of Himself through the direction of His chosen prophets. The mistake of course, was handing over control and rule of one's self to another fallen sinful human being such as ourselves. The demoralizing effects of which began to take place rapidly unto first open, then widely accepted, and eventually mandated apostasy and rebellion against the commandments and teachings of God. A process that has repeated itself many times over during this New covenant age as well, when professed Christians have attempted to amalgamate Christ's spiritual kingdom with the temporal kingdoms and or kings of this world. In either combining forces with them unto empowerment, bowing before their unholy teachings or mandates, or worst of all taking control of temporal governments themselves. All leading directly to apostasy and persecutions.

John 18:33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews? 34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me? 35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. 37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
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Why is this forum so politically active?

The bible is full of examples of man failing to follow the will of God and pursuing self-interest. Nothing changes. They just yet have not awakened to the right direction. The Jews of Jesus‘ day and gentile Christianity was no less guilty of being wrapped up in worldly affairs. I personally have no problem going into political threads and reminding them there is a third option, a Kingdom/ governance that runs contrary to the will of man that serves God and each other in need. You don”t find that in the governance of man, just oppression.
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Are we spiritual beings or just spiritually minded and/or spiritually filled?

This is more an opinion for an ECT vs Annihilation thread.

Note what Jesus says regarding "fear he who can destroy both body and soul in hell"
this verse is seen as evidence that "destroying" a person's soul and body in hell means complete destruction and cessation of existence, not eternal suffering.

Genesis 2:7 describes Adam as becoming a "living soul" when God's breath entered his body made of dust. The soul is this unified entity of body and breath (not an immortal "spirit" of some kind).

We are mortal .... subject to death until Jesus returns.

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Where, O Death, is Your Victory?
…52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
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Trump calls Epstein disclosures battle ‘a Democrat hoax’

Which means what follows is nothing more than one opinion.

The facts remain unchanged.

Number one. Maxwell claims he was nothing but a gentleman.

Number two flight log show he was never at the island

Number three the victims state he wasn’t involved in the sexual abuse
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Ivan and the Theologian

I'd be interested to hear why you think the dichotomy is "false".

That seems to me to be a strange thing to say.
The short answer is that God created a world and population that He called good. Then Adam and Eve sinned and as a consequence, all are born with original sin. Our works are as filthy rags. Is not God that created evil but man that sinned against God. All evil that we have in the world is man made not God made. The good news is that God send His Son to die for the sins of the world so, not only did He not create evil, but He conquered evil already.

The dichotomy requires that God be guilty of at least one which is logically false hence the false dichotomy.
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Trump calls Epstein disclosures battle ‘a Democrat hoax’

“So, this is a Democrat hoax that never ends. You know, it reminds me a little of the Kennedy situation,” Trump said in the Oval Office, referencing documents related to the assassination of former President Kennedy. “We gave them everything over and over again, more, and more and more. And nobody is ever satisfied. From what I understand, thousands of pages of documents have been given.

“But it’s really a Democrat hoax, because they’re trying to get people to talk about something that’s totally irrelevant to the success we’ve had as a nation since I’ve been president,” Trump added.

While delivering these comments, very real victims of Epstein were speaking in a press conference.

"....survivor Jess Michaels.

“For 27 years, I thought I was the only one that Jeffrey Epstein raped. I believed I was alone, and I was kept silent by the shame that was inside me and by the fear outside in the world,” she said. “But I wasn't the only one. None of us were. And what once kept us silent now fuels that fire and the power of our voices. We are not the footnotes in some infamous predator’s tabloid article. We are the experts and the subjects of this story. We are the proof that fear did not break us. And we don't just speak for ourselves, but for every survivor whose story is still unspoken…. This is what power looks like. Survivors united, voices joined, refusing to be dismissed. Know this: justice and accountability are not favors from the powerful. They are obligations, decades overdue. This moment began with Epstein's crimes, but it's going to be remembered for survivors demanding justice, demanding truth, demanding accountability, and we will not stop until survivor voices shape justice, transform culture, and define the future. We are no longer whispers. We are one powerful voice, too loud to ignore, and we will never be silenced again.”



According to Speaker Johnson, Trump was an FBI informant with Epstein as the target. So now I'm left wondering how one can inform on that which they did not participate in, or at the very least observe, and how one becomes an informant to a hoax that doesn't exist.

If he is such a hero, bringing down pedophiles and sex traffickers, why would he not want such good deeds exposed?

I actually wouldn't put it past him to be an informant, but often those are little guys who aren't necessarily clean, but can get charges waived or reduced in exchange for their help in getting the big fish at the top.

Interesting times we live in.
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47: Russia, Russia, Russia

Data nerds, join me in reviling this graph which has ever so slightly different scales on the left and right vertical axes.

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Those Navy pilots who blew up that boat from Venezuela have had enough time to rest and reload. Can we send them to the house of the guy who made that graph?
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