bèlla said:

The patriarchal push is also in response to disenfranchisement claims by men and the impact they’ve had on relations with the opposite sex. Most notably in terms of marriage, dating opportunities and allegations of hypergamy. Turning back the clock for some is a valid way of correcting the other.

Suggestions notwithstanding, I agree with their decision to separate from institutions whose ideals conflict with their own. There’s never been a time when the Lord told me “to stay in my place” and I wouldn’t accept the same from a man.

~bella

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NxNW said:

I need a cup of cofvefe!

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DamianWarS said:

Gen 1:2 shows us a dark, unform world of chaos that is transformed by light ending in it's antithesis of the 7th day contrasting incomplete/complete, dark/light, empty/full, disorder/order, chaos/rest, etc... Rest is shown as the answer to the chaos not it's compliment. Creation can can be viewed as a salvation metaphor where we are the darkness that light is spoken into and we are transformed into rest. It can also foreshadow Christ, baptism, the resurrection, and the new heaven and earth among others.

Christ does not find harmony with death, he conquers it. Revelation does not show us an great equalization, it instead takes death and Hades and the sea (the "deep" of Gen 1:2) and throws them in the lake of fire. Then heaven and earth pass away to present a new heaven and earth as one, spiritual/physical as one, where there is no death or pain.

I don't see the Biblical narrative as a yin/yang justice, although in this time the two are contrasted ultimately the message is the destruction of evil and the restoration of all things.

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Colo Millz said:

Isaiah 45:7 – “I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil (raʿ); I the Lord do all these things.”

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iluvatar5150 said:

Those Navy pilots who blew up that boat from Venezuela have had enough time to rest and reload. Can we send them to the house of the guy who made that graph?

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FreeinChrist said:

You ignore what we know.

As to Maxwell:

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www.politico.com

“Ghislaine Maxwell is a convicted sex trafficker and known liar. Her interview with Trump’s DOJ lawyer shows she’s desperate for a pardon,” House Oversight Committee ranking member Rep. Robert Garcia said in a post on X. “She claims no involvement in wrongdoing, which is insulting to the girls and young women she victimized and trafficked. She cannot be trusted.”​

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Wow....a convicted felon (sex trafficking) says a convicted felon (and found liable for sexual assault) was a gentleman and was rewarded with a move to "Club Fed." Yeah, her word is believable - NOT.

Trump says Epstein 'stole' young women from his Mar-a-Lago spa

Trump told reporters his falling out with Epstein was due to the disgraced financier poaching his employees.

www.bbc.com

One of them was Jill Harth, who accused Trump in a 1997 lawsuit of forcibly kissing her and fondling her at a Mar-a-Lago event for young women where Epstein was also in attendance, the New York Times reported. Trump denied the allegations and the lawsuit was dropped.​

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Another woman, model Stacey Williams, accused Trump of groping her after she was brought to Trump Tower in Manhattan by Epstein to greet Trump. The president has also denied her allegations.​

Harth faced death threats. One girl vs the power of rich men.... so she dropped it.

Besides what I already wrote, Wikipedia has a long article, of women slightly older:

Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is a long list.

Like this one:

Sexual misconduct allegations against Donald Trump – a timeline

A list of the accusations made against Donald Trump between the 1980s and 2013, all of which he has denied

www.theguardian.com

This one stands out:

Rachel Crooks​

Age: 22, Location: Outside the elevator in Trump Tower​

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Crooks, then a receptionist at real estate firm Bayrock Group, whose offices are in Trump Tower, said she introduced herself to Trump outside the building’s elevator one morning. Trump began kissing her cheeks, and then “kissed me directly on the mouth”, she said.​

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“It was so inappropriate … I was so upset that he thought I was so insignificant that he could do that,” said Crooks.​

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Source: New York Times​

Fits Trumps claim in the Access Hollywood tape (not Entertainment Tonight):

“I’m automatically attracted to beautiful women — I just start kissing them, it’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything," he said in the 2005 conversation.​

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rjs330 said:

Conservative Biblical churches have always believed in Biblical gender roles and gender hierarchy. This isn't a new trend. Most conservative churches follow Biblical principles, which by the way do not espouse such things as the typical "barefoot and pregnant" accusation often tossed about willing nilly by progressives.

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Pommer said:

Here ya go

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DamianWarS said:

Gen 1:2 shows us a dark, unform world of chaos that is transformed by light ending in it's antithesis of the 7th day contrasting incomplete/complete, dark/light, empty/full, disorder/order, chaos/rest, etc... Rest is shown as the answer to the chaos not it's compliment. Creation can can be viewed as a salvation metaphor where we are the darkness that light is spoken into and we are transformed into rest. It can also foreshadow Christ, baptism, the resurrection, and the new heaven and earth among others.

Christ does not find harmony with death, he conquers it. Revelation does not show us an great equalization, it instead takes death and Hades and the sea (the "deep" of Gen 1:2) and throws them in the lake of fire. Then heaven and earth pass away to present a new heaven and earth as one, spiritual/physical as one, where there is no death or pain.

I don't see the Biblical narrative as a yin/yang justice, although in this time the two are contrasted ultimately the message is the destruction of evil and the restoration of all things.

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Always in His Presence said:

Which means what follows is nothing more than one opinion.

The facts remain unchanged.

Number one. Maxwell claims he was nothing but a gentleman.

Number two flight log show he was never at the island

Number three the victims state he wasn’t involved in the sexual abuse

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Trump says Epstein 'stole' young women from his Mar-a-Lago spa

Trump told reporters his falling out with Epstein was due to the disgraced financier poaching his employees.

www.bbc.com

Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sexual misconduct allegations against Donald Trump – a timeline

A list of the accusations made against Donald Trump between the 1980s and 2013, all of which he has denied

www.theguardian.com

“[Trump] kissed me directly on the mouth.”​

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NewLifeInChristJesus said:

Most good Bibles today (electronic and physical), including KJV, NKJV, NASB, NIV, HCSB, and ASV have footnotes that identify variants in Greek texts. So I guess I don't know how using one of those Bibles "will effect one’s spiritual growth, not receiving all of God’s Word and being exposed to misleading information".

Your post here makes it seem like the Bibles we use today are vastly different in content. But the opposite is true. There are many good articles on the subject. And because of the footnotes I mentioned above, it is easy for today's reader to be well informed of the significant variants. So I guess I don't understand why you're being so negative.

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stevevw said:

Or that I mention it after the idea had been introduced. I have written an aweful lot of words so 12 times is not much. I think the idea has been mentioned by others way more.

But it doesn't matter. It was inevitable now it seems that such a thread like this would bring up such a word. I have to deal with that and that is what I am doing. Like I said in some ways this is actually redirecting things back to the point of the OP.

Which was about how we see the evidence and human history and the different worldviews where one is more orthodox and strictly by the rule book of material science and the other open to more transcedent knowledge. For which the orthodox and material worldview thinks conspiracy.

That we are debating the idea of conspiracy as opposed to 'real science' is philosophical.

Yes and this can be exactly the same for those who claim to be siding with the evidence. Case in point, precision vases must be made by orthodox tools because thats whats in the records. Yet orthodox tools don't match the signatures. Oh thats right lets appeal to elbow grease which can mimick the evidence of machining.

But this itself is based on whether the works he usurped from 200 years ealier were in fact works 200 years earlier. I am saying the whole 'whoever has his name on it' is the creator of the work is questionable. Some works have 2 or 3 nsames on it.

The basic premise is that apart from the pyramids all the works of the old kindom are in the hardest stones. Or at least the great ones that stand out with precision and quality. The issue is the orthodoxy of who is attributed the works along with the tools. The tools even if Ramesses II commissioned them don't match the signatures.

But we see this signature prevelent in the old kingdom where it seems to originate and maybe even earlier. They are the originators. The point is we could just about appreciate that some of these works came much later when the tools improved such as steel and the wheel. But the highest of quality and precision is coming from the old kingdom and maybe earlier. At a time not expected due to the primitive tools and knowledge.

Well I am not saying everything, I don't know. But this does not deny the quality and precision of the old kingdom works. I showed the precision vases, boxes and pillars to within 1,000th of an inch perfection. With machine marks on them.

We should be going by the highest quality for the level of knowledge and tech and I think the old kingdom is unsurpassed in that sense.

I don't know with some specific examples. Its not as if there was one quality for the old kingdom. The great works seem a specialised area among other less quality works. Its interesting that most of these old works almost belong to one family in a relative short time of around 200 years.

All I know is we see some of the best in the old kingdom and that this same signature is seen in works attributed to later dynasties. But it doesn't really matter as even what is claimed as new kingdom works don't match the knowledge and tech in the orthodox records.

Easy, the old kingdom works mostly had no glyphs on them for whatever reason. But we can definitely see how the later glyphs are of a completely different signature to the work itself.

Why would a new kingdom pharaoh and especially Ramesses who bragged out his great works create such amazing precision and quality finish only to virtually scribble like a child all over it with crooked and unfinished lines. Why create a beautiful finish only to destroy the quality with a poorly finished cartouche.

I gave this example of what looks like childs scribble on precision made boxes at Saqqara. !00 ton precision and polished to perfection to within a 1,000th of an inch in all points of reference made in Diorite. Spoilt by some vandel chiseling what looks like a kid did it.

Why would a pharoah commission such perfection only to have it spoilt by crooked lines and poor quality work. More like a latter addition. There are only 3 of 10 or so boxes with scribble on them and this is how they are dated.

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Or this rough and inferior cartouche from Ramesses II on a beautifully polished piece. See how even the creases and every knook and cranny is polished to perfection. Then along comes another pharoah who is suppose to have made it with the same tech and wrecks it.

This is a Hyksos Sphinx. As you can see the fine lines in the ribs and its polished to the point the Diorite shines which is hard to do. But notice the later inferior cartouche that has a completely different signature to the work itself. Like someone actually did use a primitive chisel. You would think this would have the same level of quality so as to not deminish the work itself if the creator was the same person.

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Thats apart from the obvious stamps where a later pharoah has actually changed the previous glyphs into his own or even stamped a cartouche over existing works and spoiling it. See this reused obelisk has the glyphs verticle rather than how obelisk use horizontal glyphs. Ramesses is reusing an older work he found as a wall.

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Another example where he stamps his cartouche right over the preexisting work. In this case covering a belt, knife and the fine engraved lines of the skirt. In fact this example has two pharoahs stamped on it.

The interesting thing is these granite statues are suppose to be of Ramesses. Why would he go to all that trouble to finely shape the belt, knife and pattern on the skirt to then destroy this with a cartouche over work that would have taken weeks to finely craft.

They usually reserve a space or don't do any work under the cartouche. This seems an obvious later addition over work that was already in existence and Ramesses has usurped it.

The other a blantant stamp across a larger work covering the original fine work. Always usurping the finest hard stone works. There are many of these examples and along with the signatures matching so well the old kingdom I don;t think we should be assuming the named stamped is the creator.

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The other piece of evidence is that this is not just restricted to Egypt but seen all over the world. Its the accumulation of these out of place works that question the orthodoxy that its just the primitive tools in the records.

I could show you though I know you won't like it of many examples that are hard to explain with the traditional tools. Where what is claimed by pounding, splitting, copper sawing in no way resembles the signatures and in fact the signatures reflect advanced knowledge and tech.

This 8300–7500 cal. B.C obsidian bracelet which is around 10,000 years old has evidence of sophisticated turning. When the wheel was not even suppose to have been invented or had very simple applications. Let alone controlled machine like signatures.

Multi-scale tribological analysis of the technique of manufacture of an obsidian bracelet from Aşıklı Höyük (Aceramic Neolithic, Central Anatolia)
Discussion
Our study produced evidence for skilled work of the obsidian bracelet from Aşıklı Höyük. This evidence is:
* The choice of high quality obsidian
* The use of different movements and abrasive materials for making the bracelet
* The creation of a complex form and the control of symmetry during the shaping
* The near absence of manufacturing errors and the ability to deal with defects

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0305440311002718

I don't know. Maybe they found the secret lol. I don't think it was laziness of lack of knowledge or tech. If the later dynasties could create works to the high level of the old kingdom then they had the same knowledge and tech.

But the question is as with the examples and evidence of widspread inherentence and reusing of older works and that the new kingdom sites once had oldkingdom sites and works on them. Its a question mark for at least some of these works being older. If you say the new kingdom actually usurped middle kingdom works then its a contradiction that the knowledge disappeared.

I just don't know but I am not going to assume that certain works belong to certain times because of a stamp on them. When the works that are stamped contain all the signatures of the old kingdom as shown already.

I don't think so. I think given the examples and evidence shown so far its clear there are out of place works and questions marks on their age. But basically forgetting all the times and who did what.

The fact is the very best of works is seen very, very early and possibly even pre dynastic that is on par if not better than later works. In a time when it should be a less quality and precision gradually improving to a higher level. Except we are seeing the complete opposite in these old kingdom works.

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essentialsaltes said:

While not all churches are turning against women, there is a trend of many conservative Christian denominations reinforcing traditional gender hierarchies and patriarchal structures, which creates significant tension with the views and experiences of many young women and is contributing to an increase in the number of women disaffiliating from organized religion

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Oompa Loompa said:

So the court of public opinion has already found Trump guilty, but they just have not found the evidence yet.

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Chesterton said:

Award being given to a Commender-in-Chief who didn't know how to pronounce the word "corpsman".

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Chesterton said:

Explain?

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Oompa Loompa said:

If you are white and republican, the kangaroo court of public opinion is coming after you and your family.

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