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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Where is the tech full stop. Show me the tech that created the precision vases in the Naqada archeology. Show me the tool that cut the large blocks some 20 feet or more in width. Show me the tools and mechanisms that lifted 1500 ton blocks 500 miles over mountains.

Even the traditional methods are missing in the evidence. We have a few small saws, hemp rope, a wooden sled around 15 feel long and 4 foot wide. We have lots of spectulation claiming that somehow this was done. But no evidence of the tools and equipment for many works.

The Baalbek blocks are a prime example. Said to be made by the Romans around the 1st century. They had no cranes that could life 1,000 tons out of quarries and up 30 feet into place perfectly aligned.

We have the tech that archaeologists say is used. There have been images aplenty of it, you just go "NU-UH! THAT'S NOT IT! WHERE'S THE REAL TECH?"

You're the one making the claim that they used tech apart from what we know about them, so the onus is 100% on you to present that evidence. You have repeatedly failed to do so, and continue to fail to do so.

Also: have you never heard of raw manpower? Work gangs? Lots of people pulling and pushing things at the same time?
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Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

He's trolling the media. The US government is not out in international waters killing anything that moves without any provocation or cause or even research into who or why we might be.
But you're ignoring the comparison.

Let's assume that the boats were carrying fentanyl. But they weren't a few miles off the California coast. So no immediate danger. They could have been tracked and boarded by the Navy at their convenience.

A truck coming over the border which is also carrying fentanyl is a lot closer to home. A more immediate danger.

So why not treat it the same? Trump says, literally: 'we're going to kill them'.

What's the difference?
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

And again, if the technology existed that people like stevevw claims existed... THEN WHERE IS IT?
Where is the tech full stop. Show me the tech that created the precision vases in the Naqada archeology. Show me the tool that cut the large blocks some 20 feet or more in width. Show me the tools and mechanisms that lifted 1500 ton blocks 500 miles over mountains. Or apparently shaved cuts from massive planers or cutting wheel that shaved, cut or planed into the hardest stones with ease.

Even the traditional methods are missing in the evidence. We have a few small saws, hemp rope, a wooden sled around 15 feel long and 4 foot wide. We have lots of spectulation claiming that somehow this was done. But no evidence of the tools and equipment for many works in the pre and early dynasties. Or other sites around the world.

The Baalbek blocks are a prime example. Said to be made by the Romans around the 1st century. They had no cranes that could life 1,000 tons out of quarries and up 30 feet into place perfectly aligned. Their biggest crane could only life 100 ton.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

I'm not reading 42 pages of this, but is the TL;DR of it that SteveVW still refuses to accept mainstream archaeological evidence on the ancient Egyptians for crackpot theories that cannot be actually supported by anything except conspiracy theories?
No thats a simplification and even logical fallacy. This is coming from Stevevw lol. The person who created the thread.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

According to the nonsense spouted by UnchartedX and others, the Roman Lycurgus Cup is an example of the Romans possessing nanotechnology which then vanished only to reappear in the 1950s.

When the story however is conveyed by an archaeologist and historian it is not as fantastic sounding when testing, peer review, archaeological and historical research paints a more conventional picture.
Fast forward to around the 5 minute mark if you are not interested in the background details.


This sort of thinking bugs me: why is it, that in a society where the artisans were their own separate pseudo-class and were given the patronage of the upper nobility and allowed to spend virtually their entire time making things, that it would be impossible for someone to make something like that?

People talk about all sorts of 'pilled' as a pejorative, but I have another one: modern-pilled. People too obsessed with thinking everything was like it was today that it has to be done the same way.
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Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

Being a Gen X guy myself, I remember when political disagreements were settled with a verbal argument, maybe a slight shoving match in a parking lot on rare occasions, followed by a "bro-grab" hug and "let's go back inside, grab another beer, and go on about our business" lol...and that was the end of it.
Yeah, Newt Grinwich really did a number on American politics.
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Our Hope and our Destiny:
The Prophetic Word tells us how the Lord will save and protect His people during His terrible Day of wrath, the soon to happen Sixth Seal punishment of the ungodly peoples and the reset of our civilization.
Then those who kept strong in their faith will be gathered and will migrate into all of the holy Land. Psalms 107, Ezekiel 34:11-16 and Isaiah 66:18b-21, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26, are some of the best prophesies about this.

We Christians are the Lord's people, His chosen; John 15:18, 1 Peter 2:8-10, and we are the people; the nation, who bear the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43.
We will, in the holy Land be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Acts 13:47, Ezekiel 39:27
Basically there is no need for anyone, other than the 2 Witnesses to go to heaven, Revelation 11:12, and they do not stay there, as Jesus Returns just then and they are resurrected along with all the rest of the GT martyrs. Revelation 20:4

The whole idea of a rapture removal of Christians to heaven, is not part of God's plan for His people. We are made to live on earth, God has angels in heaven.
Therefore, a body change is not necessary or logical, before the final wrap up after the Millennium and only then will all those whose names are written in the Book of Life, receive immortality and be with God for Eternity, when God and therefore; heaven will be on the new earth. Revelation 21:1-4
Keras when you write of all Gods people migrating to Israel . Firstly you must prove your Jewishness or conversion to be accepted as a citizen of Israel . The Church claims billions of believers and considering that Judaism rejects Christ they might very much have a problem with such a mass number of Christians entering their boarders little lone as future citizens. Can you explain some more on that and how that would work. Kathleen
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Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

Right, but we lived through the era where if someone told an "offensive joke" nine years ago, it justified getting them fired in the present day and it was considered "accountability culture" (as a rebuttal to accusations of "cancel culture")
There is a big difference between being derogatory to a marginalised protected category and being derogatory about an individual.
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Do you believe in Creationism or Evolutionism?

Either God's word is true or He is a liar. The fable of evolution is the construct of men who had no knowledge of how a cell was constructed. And I mean, constructed. DNA is programmed like a computer. Bill Gates said that DNA is a vastly more complex program than anything people have devised. Programing requires intelligence, not random, undirected processes. Evolutionists can't agree on the mechanism because nothing they propose actually works. They remind me of alchemists, desperately trying to turn lead into gold. At least they realised that it was a dead end and gave up. Evolutionists? No such sense.

Sure, Genesis is epic. Some epic stories are entirely factual. Genesis and the rest of the Bible is an example.
Did Jesus lie when he told parables? Of course not? But someone is telling a huge whopper of a lie in your post. Moreover, boldfaced lies such as these coming from the pens and mouths of professing Christians are doing much more harms to the gospel message and the Christian witness than all of the atheists put together.
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A Christian response to "No Kings."

I don't. I personally know that many on the local are genuine servants of the people. and I know a few on the federal level and they would not want any backside-kissing advisors.

Yes I think local members are often new before they are corrupted by the system lol. They start out so good and believe they can change things.

But inevitable its the party machine that dictates. Thats why now even when policies are good they will be shot down as bad so as not to show agreement. Its become to ploarised.
Actually, a left/right dichotomy represents equally valid opposing subjective views. In politics we can see the reasoning in dichotomies like employer/employee, consumer/supplier, buyer/seller.
But still and maybe quite often being a (subjective) left/right dichotomy both can be wrong or a side that is right is rationalised as wrong based on the subjective beliefs of that party.

For example you can make a rationalisation under moder political ideas and beliefs that abortion is a human right. Yet to many its a fundemental wrong. It all depends on what ideology is accepted in that society. Under Hitler I am sure they had good rationalisations for why Jews were an inferior race. I am sure Marx or those with Marxist beliefs have good rationalisation for using subversive violence against the State.
I think you're being too cynical. Like is said there are valid left/right dichotomies in politics. There are people who run for office who are led by the Spirit of Christ.
Running for office in world politics and standing with Christ is an impossibility. Sooner or later that a Christian has to align their politics with the party machine. The party machine and ideology its based on is not for Christ but the world.
There are facts and the truth is not impotent. There's a difference between positive and negative prejudice. The course of grace through faith is reasonable, while the course of cynicism through mutual distrust is unreasonable.
That itself seems subjective. What the world will regard as truth and Christs truth and fair can be two opposing beliefs. That some truths align does not make the world Christian or for Christs truth and Gods law and order.

In fact the world hates Christ and you are either for him or against him. Which includes implicit ideas within world ideologies that oppose His teachings and Gods law and order.
The Gospel has spiritual enemies because people are the battlefield. Most times, if you say his Name Jesus in public, the devil is present in the air.
So imagine saying it in the present political culture wars. Its fundementally bound to provoke anti Christ spirits through that political ideology.
The devil is an accuser/slanderer. He will use ad hominem attacks, attacking the messenger, and he will use false equivalence as in unfair weights and measures that show iniquity.
Yes this has been the tactics of identity politics. Making identity the issue when its more fundementally a spiritual battle.
Those who preach the Gospel must expect to carry the same cross as the Christ did, and forgive those who will crucify you, just as he did. It's The Holy Spirit that provides the courage.
Yes that is why engaging in politics will subvert Christians because it forces them to play the same game of politics which is designed not to forgive and to enforce an ideology onto others as to what they believe (not God) is best for society and the world.

In fact in todays political culture wars it would be expected that Christians will be the innocents outside the system simply staying true to Christ even under political condemnation and differentiated from the main culture war. Neither one side or the other. A new and seperate group that is not tarred with the corruption and politics of the main system.
I've never seen a guy like Trump on either side. He slanders others more than any person I've ever seen.
See even thats an exaggeration. He just does it more explicitely. But politics has a history of saying falsehoods against each other. But even throughout history we have many examples.

Also look at social media and media. It is absolutely full of slander for one another and fake news. It is the age of slander lol. Trump just does it better lol. Not that its right. But in some ways just using the same tactics just more bombastically. Thats why I say no one is an innocent in the system of world politics (he who is without sin can throw the first stone).
He obviously approves of those who openly bow down to him and submit to his authority over them. He says he alone can fix things. He says he knows more than most anybody about almost everything. He says he is the bringer of peace, the chosen one. He indicates he wants to be worshipped.
ike I said he braggs and uses hyperbole. But the reality is his team was probably the most diverse government in modern history having several dems and other independents an dfree thinkers. It was certainly more universal than the dems who were doubling down on the same ideas. I guess thats why they won as people perc ieved a change was needed and he did attract voters from what were usually dem demographics.
Don't get me wrong; everyone should do what they're led to do, because The Spirit doesn't lead everyone to do the same thing. But the Spirit never leads us to slander others whether they're protesting in the streets or standing on the sidelines.
Yes and I think the platform or realm within which political ideologies exist is inherently going to cause people to fall into a world spirit. It has to as it has to be accommodating of world beliefs and morals which reject and defy God and Christs truth. Seperation of church and State.

Like in the early Christian church. The State hated the church and they were a seperate entity that represented a threat to world political ideologies in the end. Just as it is now rising again as the world political powers move further away from God and replace Him with the world.
Keeping true to the sentiment of to govern, politics is the delegation of power to set policy in governing.
Yes that is the problem. Its the delegation or world power over GOds Kingdom and Christs way, truth and life. It is a power and spiritual battle.
It occurs on every level, from the head of household to neighborhood HOA's, to local, to county, to state, to federal. Politics are inevitable wherever policy is being put forth in governing, including potty training.
It use to be that the family and household was an institution in itself. A powerful entity at the foundation of a society and nation. That was independent and had rights as to how the family was in private life and how that was the basis for national governance.

But now that line is blurred and as the welfare State become more involved the State dictates the family. The other way around. This was part of the progressive movement that came from the 1960s revolutions and progressed into academia and the institutions and then mainstream culture. A new social engineering from the God centered one we had fro most of our history.
I'm just saying the greatest is the one who serves the rest is different than the one who wants the rest to serve them. It can be seen in someone's words and actions.
The problem is today words and narratives have become the reality. What someone may have said even a wrong word or belief in their past. Or silly words on a social media. Are now taken as gospel and truth that represents the whole person and reality itself. This is postmodernism.

But when we look at the reality, what actually happens and this may take a few years. We find that the opposite happened. That the words did not represent the truth in practice. So I rather go with what actually happens in the long run. We have seen many claims about ideas being the truth and moral or the best policy only to be exposed as harmful and the opposite.
Matthew 5:13-16
Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. ...
This is a great verse. I think it is probably the greatest verse for our political age for Christians to follow and I think many will. They will rise not by political force but purely by Christs example that many will see and find God while others will hate and attack.
I'm not saying there's going to be a utopia. I'm saying I want to bring extra oil so that my lamp is burning when the bridegroom comes.
Yes and that extra oil is radically different to this worlds ideas and not within the realm of politics. The church did best when seperated and was a beacon of goodness and hope on some hill away from the craziness of the world. That people seen seperated and came towards like a moth to a light.

The bible mentions this. That the God fearers who were the gentiles were coming to the synagogues because they were attracted to this light and life force of Christ shinning in the Christian community that was different to the world.
I've seen numerous reporting of the political divisions in congregations. The evangelicals in particular were lining up to support Trump.
It happens on both sides. The church has also become very progressive that its almost become a new religion quiet destinct for Christs church. These are the wolves who fool many. But at the same time I believe there is a revival of some sort back to the basics of Christ happening here and there. This is to be exspected when the world has corrupted the church so much. Something has to give.
I'm saying it sounds like spin --> false equivalence. When did a Democratic President try to overturn the results of a fair election to stay in power? Propaganda is about turning positives into negatives, negatives into positives, or making them look the same so no one can tell the difference.
I think in many ways the polarisation of politics makes it that each side is desperate to get and stay in power and will do almost anything for that cause. This is a symptom of modern politics and not individuals. If you look at whats happening in Europe they are literally framing each other to get into power.

Who knows what happens behind the scenes. Biden was incapable of leading. Who led the country in his place. Was there an effort to undermine a legitmate election win by creating narratives of Russian collusion ect. There are many ways democracy is undermined.

But I don't think getting into all that helps. Its a zero sum game. The who system corrupt by nature no matter which side. Its the world afterall which the bible speaks about as the dark invisible forces and principalities that are the anti Christ.
I did look at what they said. And I looked at numerous exit polls. the two main reasons were inflation and immigration.
OK so now Trump is acting on the immigration policies that he was vited in for.
It's telling right now.
Its always tells after a while. We can see the reality of past bad policies all the time. Its a never ending world of bad decisions and policies. Though I think they have become progressively worse in recent times. But that is just the bature of how the world is. It progresses and becomes more Godless and more self reliant and makes themselves gods.
I'm not sure anyone can sue the government for being deported.
Yes they can and its happened many times. If we true believe in the truth principles then they will win in the end. It may be that the Dems get back in and if there was injustices then they will ensure they are righted. But people can appeal to the international Human Rights commission and all that. Sometimes justice is served best cold.
I think deporting people to foreign countries that they've never been to qualifies as human trafficking.
Not really. Australia did this for a while and I think still does to some degree as illegal immigration has virtually trickled to hardly any at all now. Um they usually have all the supports for health and education ect. Often better than locals.

I am not sure what the solution is when there are many illegals. Its not trafficking but a compromise to human trafficking that has been forced on nations. I think the best solution is deal with the dictators and organised gangs and crime from the host nations. Maybe some percieve that hosting illegals over long periods at government expense sends the wrong message.

But what if for example theres a compromise that a neutral nation, a thrid party is willing to host illgal immigrants. It allows them to be away from their nation and have a better life. In the meantime they can perhaps apply legally for citizenship. But the US and other western nations can create alternative safe zones where they support them thus making a better life and new society that is free to live life away from the bad actors.

Fundementally the world is getting more populated and theres concern about resources. The issues in foreign nations is now encraoching on western nations doorsteps. But so is their problems. We need to get the host nations to stop treating people badly.
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Most of us are probably not as interested as we should be in end times issues. Perhaps we have no intention of changing our views before the Return of Jesus, or death takes us away from it all.
As far as I'm concerned, Jesus will return one day; we don't know when or if we will be alive to see it.
That is not the important thing to focus on. He has told us to be ready, and we do this by accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour, preaching the Gospel, working with all our heart as working for the Lord, Colossians 3:17, using the gifts he has given us to build up the church, Ephesians 4:11.
We do NOT get ready for his return by working out which OT prophesy applies to which future/present event or adding up numbers in Daniel to correspond to a certain year.
Would you really want to stand in His presence and admit you were not concerned about the truths taught in His Word?
I am in his presence now, and he knows the truths of his word that concern me - believe in Jesus, be filled with the Spirit, preach the Good News, feed the hungry, help the poor, fight for justice etc.
I don't want to meet him one day and say that these things were not that important and I spent 20 years/months/weeks looking at a verse in Ezekiel and trying to apply it to our world.
Some things are not for us to know. Yet there are far too many Christians who seem to think they have a right to know and focus on the details of his return rather than preaching the Gospel and serving him.

When we see him in heaven, I don't think the things we used to believe on earth will matter.
It is clear, from the Bible, that God does want His servants to be aware of His plans and be prepared, physically and spiritually for what must come.
If it were, he would tells us exactly when, and how, those things were to come.
We are servants - our job is to be ready and to serve; not to try and work out the details of our Father's business.
As we are now very close to the time when God will act on earth in order to fulfil His plans for His creation,
Maybe, maybe not. Didn't you say that about 2012?
My vicar told me nearly 50 years ago that we were in "end times" - we are both still here.
What will Jesus say to you?
"Welcome, beloved child."
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Those who say that there will be a “secret coming” before that event, a “rapture” have no Biblical justification for such a thing to happen.

I agree, the meeting with Jesus (rapture) as will The Seven Angels with Seven Plagues
all happen on that final day.

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Do you believe in Creationism or Evolutionism?

The ultimate point being that the Bible routinely expresses concepts in figurative ways, and so we shouldn't be reading the text "literally".
I disagree. Genesis 1-11 is written in a genre of literature that does not use figurative language. Every word in this portion of Scripture is intended to be understood literally. For example, “the windows of the heavens” in Genesis 7:11 are to be understood as real, physical windows or flood gates that God actually opened and closed. However, literalness and historical accuracy are not at all the same thing. The story of Noah and the ark is a classical epic tale expressing spiritual truths clothed in a fictitious story very much like the parables in the gospels.
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Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

It seemed to be your inference. That you would normally see what she did as wrong but because she was threatened you don't think what she did disqualifies her from teaching children.

Something along that lines anyway.

What she did was wrong and that doesn't change because she was threatened would be my position.

Her being threatened doesn't mean it's okay for teachers to make death threats (or mime assassination) at passers by while at political rallies

It's doesn't fill me with confidence in what she's potentially teaching her students, and I don't think anyone can guarantee a conservative parents child is safe with her.

This isn't the equivalent of clumsily explaining armed self defense to French aristocrats as another poster alleged. The context was being at a far left rally making highly threatening gestures at someone who seemed to randomly walk by her, whether because she was threatening the passer-by or wanting to look smart on camera and was under the working assumption miming assassination did that for her is anyone's guess. Both fall flat for a teacher of young children.

I'm not trying to overly harp on people. If she was in another profession and not responsible for teaching children it would be a different reaction. I don't care what type of behavior a data processor exhibits as much as a teacher, for example.

I do expect more from those who are responsible for those who are helpless. Young children are pretty helpless I think, and it behooves us to be careful with who is caring for them.
In the truck example, you'd know all the details. What drugs, how much, where they were going etc. In the boat examples you know none of the details. If it's OK to take out a boat with zero information is it OK to take out a truck and the people in it with all the information you need?

In passing, if you want to know the presidents view to help your decision: ‘We’re just gonna kill people’: Trump says he does not need declaration of war for Venezuela strikes – live

'I think we’re just gonna kill people that are bringing drugs into our country. OK? We’re gonna to kill them. They’re going to be, like, dead,”

So I guess that includes trucks...

He's trolling the media. The US government is not out in international waters killing anything that moves without any provocation or cause or even research into who or why we might be.

While operations are ongoing and sensitive much if not most information stays classified - that's real and we all know it.

He already declared he was taking action on October 2, 2025, he informed Congress that the U.S. is now in a formal "armed conflict" with drug cartels, which he has labeled "unlawful combatants" and "terrorist organizations".

Those designations are fitting for cartels according to all I have ever learned about them. They operate much like al-qaeda from all I have heard, and are just as dangerous according to law enforcement. The difference is just motivation from what I understand.

That means more information will have to be classified because you can't expose the people you might be getting valid information from.

I don't know why Trump is trolling, he should answer to the best of his abilities even if it's just to mention that the details remain classified because x y or z good reason.

However, he did already approach congress weeks ago with the escalation. It's not random nor unexpected and there's been 3 weeks for people in the know to do their due diligence. When organisations go to war against the US government we can always guarantee the government will fight back.

Trump is relying on the same legal authority used by the Bush administration when it declared a war on terror.
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Causing offence

You keep posting these threads and I can’t help wondering why you haven’t addressed the issue in a wider setting. What do you expect to accomplish in a venue with limited traffic? The answer is evident but I’m wondering why it alludes you.

~bella

What is the evident answer ?

I am presently pretty isolated for various reasons.

Is there a better forum ?
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The Schumer Shutdown

Adding 1.5 Trillion dollars by force would be a problem, unless authoritarianism from one political party is now ok.

It passed by legislative action. Not holding the country hostage.

I'm confused. I was discussing the ACA and BBB being passed along.party lines since your post implied zero votes from the other side is a bad thing. Which one was passed by holding the country hostage and which one was passed by legislative process?
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So- just for long dead people, then? That makes about a quarter of our Bibles useless to us now.
I didn't say that the Bible is only for people who lived years ago. Of course it isn't.
We can read Ezekiel, Isaiah etc, learn a lot from them, be challenged, moved etc by them. That doesn't mean that every word in them was written TO us. That if we read, for example, "Babylon will attack", we can take it as "Syria, (or whoever) are going to declare war on us.
I can see where you are coming from; for all the people over the last nearly 2000 years, the Prophesies about the end times, were practically useless.
I think you need to differentiate between the Day of the Lord - often mentioned in the OT, when it was believed Israel would be rewarded and her enemies destroyed - and the return of the Lord Jesus.
The concept of a final battle between good and evil, with God's people being victorious and God, in Jesus, reigning as king, is the same. But that doesn't mean that every OT vision/prophecy is about how that final battle will play out. That doesn't mean that you can take the vision of a flying scroll with writing on both sides and say that the Bible prophesied nuclear weapons, for example.

If Jesus had taught that various prophecies would be fulfilled in end times, then he would have told us.
If he had said "you can work out when all these things will begin - just read Daniel and the last half of Ezekiel", that would be fine.
If he had said to his disciples, "in a few years I will give a vision to John. This vision is to be given so that Christians in the future can take it literally and work out the day of my return/the sequence of end time events" - great.
But he didn't.
There are many indications that some kind of dramatic change is close.
There MAY be - but there have been "wars and rumours of wars" for centuries.
The Apostles believed that Jesus would return in their lifetime. They may well have regarded Roman persecution as a sign of end times. People certainly hated and opposed them. Saul wanted to "put them out of the synagogues", John 16:2, Acts 9:2. Christianity was first seen as a Jewish cult. I am quite sure that Saul, as a devout Pharisee, thought he was doing God's will by getting rid of people who believed in this "false Messiah" - but he was fulfilling Jesus' words.
There have been dozens of wars since then, and people could have thought/said the end of the world was coming. There have been hundreds of dates given for Jesus' return - and we're all still here.
It seems that every Christian wants to believe that it will happen in their lifetime.
It will be just as the Prophets have informed us
But the prophets have not informed US that the end of our world, in the 21st century, will come when so and so declares war, someone else has nuclear weapons or another person draws up a treaty.
Neither Jesus nor the Apostles taught that it is ok to take parts of God's word out of context to try to make them fit a present day situation - like saying that Zechariah 5 prophesies Iran having nuclear weapons. Zechariah saw several visions = one of them was of a flying scroll that had writing on both sides. How does that describe a nuclear weapon, rather than any other kind? Why have you focused on that vision and not on any of the others, and who gave you the authority to take various prophesies/parts of God's word and apply them to our present day?
He said He would Return and He will. But much must happen before that glorious Day
Jesus said that he would come as a thief in the night.
He told parables about a bridegroom, and a king, who returned later than their servants had expected. He said over and over again that people needed to be ready.
He did not say, "look at OT prophesies and you will be able to work out what happens before I return."
Like I said, if Jesus is not returning for another 15-20 years, there's no hurry - we can tell people they don't need to repent/accept Jesus just yet. We probably have around 14 years to eat, drink and be merry before we need to start seriously living for God and being prepared.
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