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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

Capitalists?

Why not legalize everything and let Darwin take its course.
Sick..! That's really sick.

Some people die because some idiot mixes fentanyl in a less lethal drug, and they unknowingly ingest it - and your response is without any empathy, and in favor of their death... For such an insensitive response, you should feel ashamed.

Is This The New Normal?

And a Constitutional Republic is... Drum roll please... A form of democracy! I can't believe that this exact same thing needs to be told in two different threads.
The fact that apparently so many US conservatives don't understand this does tell a lot.

And I hope I get the implication here correctly, because you certainly seem to imply it, but what is termed a "direct democracy" isn't the only form of democracy. In fact, there isn't a single country in the world that's a full blown direct democracy. They are essentially all forms of representative democracies. Which are still democracies.
It's flabbergasting that you end the whole thing with "the only place where democracy is utilised is in how we elect representatives." That is the very definition of a democracy! You have a vote, used to elect people who govern and through whom you hold power in your government. I'm so disappointed in some people here.
A democracy is majority rule, period. A republic utilizes elected representatives who govern according to an overarching body of laws . Because we are NOT a democracy we have the electoral college. IN a democracy whatever the majority wants, the majority gets. Because we have an overarching body of laws that determines how we are governed, instead of majority rule, we are not a democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic that uses the democratic process ONLY to elect our representatives except in the case of the president.
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Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

Many Orthodox Jews love well, but they will be judged not on their love, but on their faith in Jesus Christ.
That statement was already directly addressed, and the answer given should be incontrovertible for a Christian.
But after he is gone, and 2,000 years later, his written record is the only authority.
That's pure speculation/guess-work, while the Scripture passage quoted stands as true.
We have ample evidence in church history of "oral tradition" contradicting the word of God written.
Which is why there was a Luther.
Nope, Luther threw the baby out with the bathwater when he started messing with doctrine, rather than sticking to the abuse or ignoring of doctrine which certainly prevailed at various times by certain church members and leaders.
Backed by the history of Christianity.
Backed by some novel theology maybe, not so far back into history.
Correct interpretation is in agreement with all Scripture.
Such interpretation does not undermine any correct meaning of Scripture.
no doubt
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The Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2

Of course it is. Baptism, by definition, involves water.

The only time it doesn't it is used analogically, that is why the phrase "baptism with the Holy Spirit" is provocative.
If I say I'm going to take a bath, water is always implied. I would have to specifically provide additional context to show I am speaking of "bath" in some other way.

Baptism is a washing. People wash with water. It requires specific additional context to show baptism being used in some other way, that is why when "baptism with the Holy Spirit" is mentined, it's specifically mentioned. Nobody has to say "water baptism" because that's redundant. When the eunuch saw water he said, "Look, water, what prevents me from being baptized?" He didn't say "what prevents me from being water baptized?" That'd be silly.

Don't force your doctrines onto the text. Approach the text with honesty and objectivity--how would a first century audience hear and read these words?

-CryptoLutheran
And where in. Acts 1:5 is BAPTISZED. // BAPTISMO. WATER // HYDOR , Explain . Matt 3: 11 and is. that word BAPTISM or is it

BAPTISM or is the Greek word BAPTISMA.

In Eph 4:5 it reads ONE BAPTISM but the Greek word is BAPTISMA , what does that mean ??

It is BAPTISMA also in 1 Peter 3:21 and. in all there you can find the WORD , BAPTISMA 22 times

What say you. ?/
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The fascinating reformed theology paradox of Hebrew 6:4-6

Hebrews 6 had not been written when Judas was alive.
Never said that Hebrews 6 had to be in existence in Judas' time in order for us to apply it to him. I'm applying Heb 6 to him right now!
I disagree that he "gave it up".
People choose to end their lives because they are in great despair and a very dark place. Yes I don't think he was expecting the resurrection - but
neither were the others; they were locked away in fear.
You want to apply compassion inappropriately to one who mislabeled Jesus as perhaps a false Messiah. Judas thus attempted to dash the hopes of all who wished to obtain from him both righteousness and resurrection.

Jesus identified Judas as an unrepentant evil man, and yet you would do one better than Jesus? I don't think so. Believe what you will. You either base your beliefs on God's word or you make up your own word.
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Is This The New Normal?

No, the US is a Constitutional Republic. The founding fathers purposely made sure that we were NOT a democracy because democracies always end in totalitarianism or communism. Mob rule is the norm in a democracy, and we see how that was starting to happen under the left’s push for “democracy” over the Constitutionally guaranteed republic.

The only place “democracy” is utilized in our nation is that is how our representatives are elected. Otherwise we are NOT a democracy.
Yet the Constitution sez the Congress hold the “power of the purse” and authorizes that august body to set tariffs (both of which the House has seemingly ceded to the incumbent President).
If the Constitution is so malleable, why should we continue to follow the rest of it!?
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

I don’t know what to think about this action but there appears to be a wide link to Middle Eastern terrorism and the Venezuelan cartels.


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Chaplet

I received my St. Dymphna Chaplet today and already had it blessed. I even prayed on it once.
How often are you supposed to pray on them per day? I assume the answer is how often you want to.
I knew something religious that my priest didn’t know. He asked me If St. Dymphna was a patron saint for the eyes and I said “no, mental illness.” He then told me she’s also for the eyes which I was fairly positive she isn’t, but I didn’t want to argue with a priest and especially didn’t want to find out later that I was wrong.
I came home and googled it. I was right.

What Is Your Music Doing For You? The #1 Sound Your Brain Desperately Wants to Hear

I think it benefits spatial and relational thinking. Math, in other words. The old joke "what do you get in a group of four mathematicians?"

"A string quartet."

While I enjoy music, I have very little ability as a musician. And for me mathematics wasn't easy, unless I saw an immediate application for it.

Agreed. Most of my professional career was spent as an independent software developer using a concise, mathematical and symbolic programming language. Among the programmers I knew who used the language, the percentage of musicians seemed significantly higher than in the general population. I'm not sure if that was also true for programmers using other programming languages. There does seem to be a correlation between math and music.
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MS-13 Gang Member Kilmar Abrego Garcia to be Deported to African Country of Eswatini


The U.S. has been quite accommodating to Mr. Garcia and I am so happy this matter has been settled. While I have been to Africa I have never been to Eswanti, they have a nice temperate climate there.
Alledged gang member. To call him a MS-13 gang member is incorrect and against forum rules.
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Donald Trump ordered to pay E. Jean Carroll $83.3 million, will appeal verdict

Appeals court upholds $83 million judgment against Trump for defaming E. Jean Carroll

"Trump has failed to identify any grounds that would warrant reconsidering our prior holding on presidential immunity. We also conclude that the district court did not err in any of the challenged rulings and that the jury's damages awards are fair and reasonable," the opinion said.
“Free speech” costs $83M if used to defame another person.
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The Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2

I kind of suspect it wasn't baptism.
AND Acts 1:5 is Says that John. indeed BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO with WATER // HYDOR , but you will be BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO

no WATER // HYDOR HERE AT ALL , with Holy Spirit NOT // OU. , means many of these days after !!

And BAPTO , BAPTIZED , BAPTISMA , BAPTISMO AND SPRINKLING. all have different meanings .

AND in 1 Cor 10:2 and all were BAPTIZED //. BAPTIZO. unto Moses , in. the cloud and. in the SEA !!

How were 200,000. Jews BAPTIZED unto Moses in the CLOUD and in the sea. ??

How did that happen. ??

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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

Or at least they should try. They can't protect us from all harm.
OF course they can't. I don't think anyone expected that.

Harm is is way to broad of a concept and is not easily defined.
And yet it's a decent word that is practical. Not like "evil".

Yes the government should attemp to protect us from those who would harm us.
And that is not the same as protecting you from evil.

Government is NOT our savior.stop thinking thats what we are saying.
I would love to. I'm just kinda waiting for you guys to say the same thing.


Does a government prevent you from drinking? Cheating on your wife? Slandering fellow Christians? Those are evils.


No, of course not.
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I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

But Paul in writing to the Christians at Ephesus reminds them how they had been saved. Not by them obeying from the heart (they were "dead in trespasses and sins) but by God taking the initiative. Look at all the things God does:


4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:1-10 NKJV)


Only once God had acted could they start obeying Him.
The Holy Spirit is not just dumped on some people, and then they believe. See Jesus' words on receiving the Holy Spirit.

Joh 14:15-16 "If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever—

Joh 14:22-23 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?" Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.

Jesus gives us His word, shows us the cross. We then have a choice to make, either obey, or disobey the revelation we have received. If we obey the Father then loves us, and makes His home with us.
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