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BNR32FAN · Oct 27, 2025

Dan1988 said:
No, God condemns people for sinning against Him. They were born with a sin nature, so yes they drink sin like water. They take to sinning, like a fist to water. It's their nature to sin, as for why they are the way they are, well the Bible tells us they inherited their sin nature from Adam.

Note, God is not the author of sin, we know that. Does He allow sinners to sin, obviously He does. But He is not responsible for their sin, each one will pay for his sins in hell.

Remember, God is a mystery, we don't know much about Him. All we know is what He revealed about Himself in the Bible and that's it. ,He hasn't spoken a Word to us for the past 2000 years. So let's not make presumptions and assumptions about why God does what He does.;
Gods ways are infinitely higher than ours and they are past finding out, so best you leave God to do what he does and don't pry into His business.

Everything God does is perfectly good, I know you don't like the fact that God tortures [people in the lake of fire forever. But I praise Him for it, just as I praise Him for everything else He does.

So God made men sinners because it’s what He willed for them to be? He created man to be rebellious and disobedient because that what He wanted them to be?

Aryeh Jay · Oct 27, 2025

Fantine said:
If Speaker Johnson is upset by his mistaken belief that protesters "hate America," then he should use his position to make America a country that we can love and be proud of.

He's trying, but the Democrats refuse to leave the country.

halee1998 · Oct 27, 2025

jacks said:
That sounds like a very difficult situation. I really don't know what advice to offer. Is he also a Christian, if so maybe you can get your pastor or the church to help out. You certainly don't want to enable his drug taking behavior and it's right for you to take a stand against it and insist he gets some help. In the long run standing firm, may be the kindest thing you can do for him. Praying for you.

He claims to be a Christian but if you heard the language he uses and the anger he holds on to, you would say that is not fruit of the spirit. He lied to me again since posting this. I found some items in my house that led me to believe he was using again and when I confronted him he gaslighted me and tried to make me feel bad for accusing him of it. He ended up leaving then he admitted he really did it. So not only did he lie to me to my face, he tried to make me feel bad about accusing him of it. I have since got him out of the house and back to where he used to live. I am filing for a divorce Thursday. It is typical drug addict behavior and I can't do this anymore. He threatened to punch me several times too in the process and cursed me out. He's been harassing me since then too. I'm also planning to get a restraining order on him when I talk to the attorney. Thank you for your prayers! Please also pray for his salvation and that he can turn his life around with Jesus.

BelieveItOarKnot · Oct 27, 2025

David Lamb said:
Yet Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden by God. The ground would bring forth thorns and thistles. There were other judgments as well. God said to Eve:

“What is this you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”” (Ge 3:13 NKJV)

Then later we read:

“16 ¶ To the woman He said: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.””

“17 ¶ Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: “Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life. 18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.”” (Ge 3:16-19 NKJV)

As soon as you see the obvious, but unseen, that the tempter inhabited their dust bodies, it's no longer a question of just Adam or just Eve

But the tempter within them both

Now who are you going to blame?

Adam was God's son, Luke 3:38

Did God then bear a lawless son? What does that say of The Father?

Jesus showed us many times in many ways that the unseen adversaries inhabit people.

Our own minds can perceive this intrusion because it's real, internal, unseen AND unwanted

Yet it happens, regardless of what we will

Aryeh Jay · Oct 27, 2025

Chesterton said:
I remember when it was called Skaggs-Albertsons, then later Albertsons.

I remember when it was Skaggs Alpha Beta.

rambot · Oct 27, 2025

rjs330 said:
We are far more free here than you are in Canada, that's for susure.

"Far more free"? Please share the list of freedoms that you have That I don't.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Oct 27, 2025

Thanks for the list.

Having this list is useful. Perhaps in 2029 or 2033, if a Democrat is in office, they could demolish the ballroom to its original state. Restoring historic buildings has become an art, and I believe skilled architects will be able to return the White House to its former condition after 2033.

Aryeh Jay · Oct 27, 2025

wing2000 said:
...are these fishing boats loaded with drugs a threat to Coast Guard resources?

Why has Trump assembled a Naval armada, including an aircraft carrier group, off the coast of Venezuela?

For a liberty port call in Trinidad and Tobago of course.

Dikaioumenoi · Oct 27, 2025

d taylor said:
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The parable of the sower destroys this false teaching of regeneration preceding belief in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

“Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

The order believe and then be saved.

From Romans
How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

Faith come by hearing not by regeneration

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Neither of the texts you cite address the grammar or syntax of 1 John 5:1, which was the focus of the OP. Nor do the texts you cite define regeneration. Luke 8:12 describes the visible process of gospel hearing, belief, and salvation from a human vantage point. That's phenomenological, not ontological. Likewise, Paul's concern in Romans 10:14-17 is the means by which saving faith is produced -- namely, through the proclamation of the gospel. He is not denying that God must grant spiritual life for that hearing to be effectual.

So you're raising objections that deal with responses to the Word, not with the divine source of those responses. Luke 8 describes the phenomenology of belief, Romans 10 describes the instrumentality of belief, and 1 John 5:1 describes the causality of belief. Only the last of these addresses the question at hand.

I'd like to see you interact with the argument of the OP, please. The question on the table isn't whether faith precedes salvation experientially (it does), but what the grammar of John's statement teaches about the logical relation between faith and the new birth.

The perfect passive γεγέννηται ("has been born") denotes a completed past action with present results, while the present participle ὁ πιστεύων ("the one believing") describes the present activity of the person so born. The natural reading, therefore, is that belief evidences a prior divine begetting.

So I'll ask directly: are you suggesting that in this verse alone, standard Greek aspect and participial syntax simply don't apply? Or is it more reasonable to conclude that your interpretation of those other passages must be harmonized with the clear grammar here, rather than the other way around?

JosephZ · Oct 27, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
Qatar has been a U.S. ally since diplomatic relations were established on March 19, 1972, making it over 53 years of alliance. The relationship has strengthened significantly over the decades, particularly in defense and economic cooperation. Why wouldn't he stop?

Qatar also has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, and is a central hub for terrorism financing. I have no problem with Trump stopping in Qatar due to its role as a U.S. ally in negotiating with terrorists and its hosting of a U.S. air base, but like I said, many who are fine with Trump making an unscheduled stop and allowing the leaders of Qatar to board Air Force One would have criticized President Obama for doing the same because of Qatar’s links to Islamists and terrorists.

bbbbbbb · Oct 27, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
Your words, not mine.

So, please reiterate your relationship to all of God's commandments.

Colo Millz · Oct 27, 2025

Which in turn suggests that we require a final arbiter which will determine valid tradition from anathema.

Anyway there is another interesting passage which of course has nothing to do with allegory:

25 And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

English Standard Version Catholic Edition (n.p.: Augustine Institute, 2019), Lk 24:25–27.

So we have a literal meaning, and an allegorical meaning - But we have here a third interpretation, which is typological, which is itself quite a different meaning from the literal meaning.

Note that the Christ appeals to their rational faculties: “Was it not necessary . . . ?” Then he opens up the meaning of the texts by placing them in the context of his redemptive suffering and by placing that suffering in the context of prophecies of the Old Testament. Although the New Testament use of the Old Testament is of great interest in itself, let us leave the theological problem aside and ask what the example suggests about interpretation as explanation. The quotation is clearly an example of explanation, for Jesus was doing more than merely repeating or reasserting the older texts; he explained them, and himself in terms of them. Here interpretation involves the bringing of an outside factor, the Christ, to point up the “meaning” of the older texts. Only in the presence of this factor do the texts become meaningful.

Palmer, Richard E.. Hermeneutics: Interpretation Theory in Schleiermacher, Dilthey, Heidegger, and Gadamer (Studies in Phenomenology and Existential Philosophy) . Northwestern University Press. Kindle Edition.

Hentenza · Oct 27, 2025

Desk trauma said:
Stop assuming any of this is in good faith. Saves time and frustration.

It’s in bad faith?

Hentenza · Oct 27, 2025

ViaCrucis said:
Apparently the multiple times I have, in other threads, condemned Hamas as evil isn't good enough?

Okay, I condemn the acts of Hamas--unreservedly--both in this instance and in all other instances.

But when you are willing to condemn the heinous acts of Israel in murdering innocents, especially children, let me know.

I've been perfectly clear and consistent in my condemnation of both Hamas and Israel since October of 2023.

-CryptoLutheran

When you wage a war in a populated area where the enemy hides within the population and uses kids as shields there will be casualties. Also when the same enemy uses the death of these children to win the media opinion then that’s even worse. Did Israel make mistakes? Absolutely but don’t drink the Hamas kool aid though.

Akita Suggagaki · Oct 27, 2025

Learning always said:
This sounds interesting.

Yes, but dense and cant be in a hurry. It will take me a year

wing2000 · Oct 27, 2025

rjs330 said:
Cause they aren't fishing boats. They are drug dealers bringing in poison to kill Americans. A fishing boat would just be out fishing, instead if being run by na4co terrorists.

...are these fishing boats loaded with drugs a threat to Coast Guard resources?

Why has Trump assembled a Naval armada, including an aircraft carrier group, off the coast of Venezuela?

wing2000 · Oct 27, 2025

rjs330 said:
Made upgrades to the Whitehouse? Particularly for his own benefit becauae he wanted to play basketball?

I understand he made modifications to the existing tennis court to facilitate a basketball court....with his own money (conflicting information on this point...I'm fine either way as one basketball court equates to a couple rounds of golf in Mar-a-lago). So, to answer your question, no, I doubt I made the "same" protest when he did that because there is nothing there to object to.

rjs330 said:
You just hate it because Trump is doing it. This is a nice upgrade to the people's house for working with other countries.

...and now we're back to you questioning motive as an argument.

rjs330 said:
Obama did a lot of remodeling as well. For his own and Michelle's benefit.

A lot? Do tell.

David Lamb · Oct 27, 2025

Michie said:
In C. S. Lewis’s That Hideous Strength, the character Mark has a profound moral experience through which he becomes awakened to transcendence. In the wake of this, he looks at his entire life with fresh perspective: “[Mark] looked back on his life not with shame, but with a kind of disgust at its dreariness … He was aware, without even having to think of it, that it was he himself — nothing else in the whole universe — that had chosen the dust and broken bottles, the heap of old tin cans, the dry and choking places.”

In Lewis’s book, Mark and his wife personify modernity. His beliefs and attitudes represent many modern, secular people — in Lewis’s context as well as our own, a few generations later.

Mark’s experience of life as the “dry and choking places” provides us with an insightful window into modern people. Even if they aren’t consciously aware, people all around us are starving for transcendence and meaning. They live in the dry and choking places. Thus, many of our non-Christian friends and family members and coworkers experience spiritual need in terms of dreariness more than guilt (as Mark did). What does this mean for how we do evangelism and apologetics?

Disenchantment

Continued below.

Dry and Choking Places: Disenchantment and Modern Life

By Gavin Ortlund

worldviewbulletin.substack.com

Yes, Mark and his wife follow different paths, don't they? Mark goes to the scientific base where Wither, "the Head", and Lord Feverstone hold sway. Jane ends up going to Mother Dimble on the "godly" side. I always enjoy reading that book, and the other two in the trilogy.

Hentenza · Oct 27, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
Please show where God reduced His commandments from a Biblical number of Ten,

I don’t have to but you do. You are the one attempting to prove the positive. All of the Ten Commandments were required of the Jews in the old covenant. We are now in the new covenant and the 4th commandment is no longer required of the Christian since our rest now is in Jesus not in a particular day but TODAY (Heb. 4).

Please post a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

stevevw · Oct 27, 2025

Apple Sky said:
This is great Steve - Thank you for sharing

bbbbbbb · Oct 27, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
The Ten Commandments consist of just that according to God Exo34:28 Deut4:13 God gave Moses a separate set of laws that were written by Moses placed besides God's covenant of Ten, there as a witness again Deut31:24-26

Only the Ten Commandments/God's Testimony sits under the mercy seat of God Exo20:6 Exo 25:21

One set of laws describes what sin is when breaking, the other set was added as a prescription for sin. If everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments they way Jesus explained Mat5:19-30 as they are exceeding broad Psa 119:96 there would be no more sin in the world. Just peace Isa48:18

Thank you for clarifying the issue for me. I now understand that you do not have any serious regard for God's commandments, other than ten which your church selectively removed from the Old Testament.

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 27, 2025

Postvieww said:
Yes, the freedoms afforded in this country allow for individuals to advocate for the loss of the very freedoms that allow them to be vocally and politically ignorant.

That’s not what communism is nor does it have anything to do with what Mamdani is proposing for NYC.

Postvieww said:
It absolutely is and it is a factually correct opinion!

Opinions aren’t facts.

bbbbbbb · Oct 27, 2025

Colo Millz said:
So then the question becomes - how can we ensure that the interpretation is properly circumscribed to fall within correct hermeneutical parameters?

My answer to that would be to appeal to the tradition from the ECFs which we have inherited.

The difficulty with the ECFs, as you know, is that there a very large number of them with an extremely large body of writing, some of which is contradictory. Various Traditions have selected various ECFs as fitting their understanding of orthodoxy and limited the writings to those which align with their Tradition. As an example, we have Augustine, who was a very prolific writer. His early writings were highly monergistic, but much less so in his later writings. Your Tradition has chosen to downplay his earlier writings in favor of his later writings.

Hentenza · Oct 27, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
According to God, this is what His commandments consist of and no more was added. 613 is not a number one will find in Scripture and sad it gets elevated over the Biblical one God said to define His commandments. Moses is not God.

All 613 laws of the Jewish law including the 10 commandments with verse numbers so you can find each one in scripture.

A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)

A list of the 613 mitzvot (commandments) that are binding on Jews.

www.jewfaq.org

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