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sjastro · Oct 29, 2025

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
I still stand by what I said. If he thinks it's worth the time, then he should put up or shut up.

Unfortunately his expectation would be affirmation not criticism, a reviewer would be labelled thick for disagreeing with him like the posters in this thread.

camille70 · Oct 29, 2025

Larniavc said:
So even paying out each year you still have to pay per medical intervention?

Yes,

camille70 · Oct 29, 2025

rjs330 said:
Its gone up, every year. Nothing new here. Ever since the promises of Obama care its continued to climb. Still going up.

The increases have been slower since the ACA passed than the years preceding. If Marco Rubio hadn't destroyed the risk corridors they would have probably been even more affordable.

durangodawood · Oct 29, 2025

Aldebaran said:
Being satirical doesn't degrade one's words. It simply shows they have a sense of humor. In this instance, it also exposes those who don't have a sense of humor.

Satire is only funny if it crosses the audiences intellectual threshold. I suppose for his audience the bar might be quite low on average.

So perhaps youre right and he is trying at comedy.

But my sense is that a lot of his nonsense is just him blabbing whatever occurs to him in the moment with zero regard for humor or honesty.

camille70 · Oct 29, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
We ware addressing the costs in total - subsidized and unsubsidized parts.

The country currently spends 1.7 Trillion dollars on Health care - Church and his friends are asking for 1.5 trillion more and saying it is for health care -

They say a picture is worth 1,000 words:

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/61181

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You really think we can bring medical up 1,5 trillion over the 1.48 trillion already being spent - where does the money come from?

This is not related to the earlier discussion.

If I'm not mistaken it was determined that insurance both via the ACA and employer insurance was about 26-27k. Your question was why is the rates going up 6% for insurance through employers, but more than that for insurance via the ACA. The answer is the employer is still subsidizing most of the insurance, and the ACA is cutting the subsidies if dems can't get the GOP to walk back the cuts.

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camille70 · Oct 29, 2025

Chesterton said:
You could be right, but the portion of the video I watched did not support that.

"Lived experiences". I'm glad you brought that phrase up. Would you like to hear some of my lived experiences? I warn you, if I post them, it will probably sound to you like I'm a total white racist, but they are only honest anecdotes.

If you're not going to tell me specifically what's important in the videos, I'm not going to watch them

Which political clashes are you referring to?

I don't deem anyone "deserving" anything from other people. The Christian idea is that you love the unlovable, and give to the undeserving. But St. Paul said "if you don't work, you don't eat".

I'm good and I'm ok if you don't watch them. They are simply videos I think are informative and wanted to share.

camille70 · Oct 29, 2025

rjs330 said:
Being surrounded by people and being prevented from moving and doing your job is facing harm. The agents have no idea what anyone in this crowd is going to do. Its implied threat. The injunction wasnt for just life threatening circumstances. If you were surrounded by a crowd of people who were refusing to let you through, you would absolutely feel threatened.

Besides I couldn't find anything on a SanFrancisco judge saying they couldn't use chemical agents in theae circumstances.

My mistake. I'm getting cities mixed up. It's Chicago.

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Leaf473 · Oct 29, 2025

The Liturgist said:
That said, the Christians did worship on other days of the week - the primary day of the week was always Sunday, the feast of the Resurrection, which we know because of the worship service in progress at the Cenacle at St. Mark’s house in Jerusalem at the third hour (9 AM) on a Sunday when the Holy Spirit descended, since Acts clearly says that there were 200 of the faithful present when that occurred.

However it is also the case that, ironically, the church that Sabbatarians appear to believe it is their religious duty to criticize, the Roman catholic Church, conducts more worship services on Saturday than any other denomination. All current and retired Roman Catholic priests are required to celebrate the Mass daily, and also the Liturgy of the Hours, and most churches have at least one public mass on Saturday, and recently Catholics have been permitted to attend a vigil mass on Saturday as a means of satisfying their Sunday worship obligation. The net result is that every Sunday, there are more masses celebrated in Catholic churches, cathedrals, priories and friaries, oratories, chapels, monasteries and convents than there are parishes of all Sabbatarian denominations combined - and all of these services, being masses, feature the Holy Eucharist, the Body and Blood of Christ our God given for the remission of sins and life everlasting (1 Corinthians 11:1-34), as a perpetual recapitulation of and participation in (anamnesis) of His voluntary sacrifice on the Cross, wherein God in the person of the Son and Word died in order to trample down death by death, and show us what it means to be human - death is swallowed up in victory as Christ arose from the grave on the First Day.

Thus, on Friday we commemorate that Christ remade humanity in His image, just as He made humanity in His image in Genesis 1 (it is not a coincidence that John chapter 1 parallels Genesis chapter 1, for Genesis 1 is a prophecy of the Passion of Christ our True God), on Saturday we commemorate Christ reposing in a tomb, and also by extension the mystery of Him who is uncircumscribable being contained in the womb of Our Glorious Lady Theotokos and Ever Virgin mary, and because of the Harrowing of Hell, a day to pray for our departed loved ones, and then on Sunday we celebrate Christ rising from the grave, and the light of the World to Come, the mystical Eighth Day of Creation.

The Sabbath is fundamentally prophetic, in that it was about the mystery of the Incarnation of Jesus Christ in the womb of the Theotokos and his repose in the tomb, and our own pending repose even as our soul shall either be with Christ in Heaven or not with Christ, depending on our probable eschatological outcome. Thus, traditional Christians properly observe this feast through the Vesperal Divine Liturgy on Holy Saturday in the Orthodox Church and equivalent services such as the Roman Catholic Paschal Vigil Mass (all of which originated in Jerusalem and are very similar, well, in the Roman Catholic Church it was nearly identical to the Orthodox liturgy until Pope Pius XII made some odd changes to the Paschal Triduum in 1955 - I don’t see what the point was of taking an ancient liturgy virtually identical to that celebrated by the Orthodox, which in the case of the Mass of the Presanctified on Good Friday contained elements in common with the Eastern Orthodox Presanctified Liturgy we attribute to Pope St. Gregory the Great, and replacing those liturgies with rescheduled liturgies very different from what was historically celebrated and what still is celebrated by the Orthodox.

Fortunately, Dr. Peter Kwasniewski has been encouraging Roman Catholics who are still able to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass to use the pre-1955 Triduum, and thus the celebration of the ancient version of it is increasingly common. Alas, the SSPX, which is regarded as canonically irregular by many, and by some as schismatic, although I don’t think that’s the position of the Vatican, but I don’t know, only uses the final 1962 Tridentine missal, which of course has all the unpleasantness of the 1955 reforms.

Informative, thank you

Quick question, in the section below, did you intend to write Sunday or Saturday?

The Liturgist said:
The net result is that every Sunday, there are more masses celebrated in Catholic churches...

Mercy Shown · Oct 29, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
Do you mean lead one to something deeper that they would no longer be kept the way God said to? Or the way Jesus said, dealing with the heart issue that would automatically fix the actions so the commandments of God would automatically be kept just the way God commanded.

Into being a child of the Almighty God. The Holy God. Not just saved but made joint heirs with Jesus Christ. Counted a perfect forever by Christs one great sacrifice. Are you better than the sunday keepers? Are you more righteous than they are, more accpted by God? Does sabbath keeping in some way earn you something? Or maybe help you avoid something. What keeps you from soley focuing on the sabbath rather than the Gosple of Jesus?

SabbathBlessings said:
Can you please post the verse you are indicating so we can examine.

Gal 3:11

SabbathBlessings said:
We are made righteous through faith. Does faith void the law and the voice of God? Not according to Scripture. The faith part is what saves, the action part proves our faith is genuine, instead of being just hearers James1:22

You can't make faith genuine by action. The pharasees tried that and it did not work. Those who come to Christ in the last day and have a list of things they have done in his name still will not have genuine faith. Right action is a natural outgrowth of faith in the right thing. What is God's word to you? Is it only the law?

SabbathBlessings said:
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going.

He obeyed because of his faith not to establish it. It was already established. But even then it was not his obedience that saved him. It was because he believed God.

SabbathBlessings said:
Gen 26:5 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

This verse has nothing to do with Abraham's salvation. It was about making him a great nation.

SabbathBlessings said:
Perhaps, but teaching we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment is in rebellion to what God commanded. Exo20:8-11 Exo20:6 John14:15 Mat5:19

So, are you now suggesting that keeping the Sabbath is necessary for salvation? I thought your position was that the law itself does not save. If the Sabbath is truly the keystone to salvation, then it seems we would need to take it very seriously.

How can one claim to keep it if any of its precepts are being violated? I hope you’re not cooking or doing meal prep on that day, and that your furnace isn’t kindling a fire. The command also forbids buying or selling, which today might even include using electricity.

Does all of this sound extreme? Or do we instead reinterpret the Sabbath laws to fit modern lifestyles, saying something like, “Sure, the Bible says that, but it’s impractical in our day and age”?

SabbathBlessings said:
The Sabbath is about both spiritual rest in Christ and physical rest from work on the seventh day Exo20:10 Heb4:4,10 Exo20:11. Heb4:4,9,10 You need both to be keeping God's Sabbath.

It is true that the Sabbath teaches both spiritual rest in Christ and physical rest from labor (Exo 20:10,11; Heb 4:4,9-10). However, this rest is a symbol and a gift, not a means of salvation. Observing the day perfectly does not make anyone righteous before God. Salvation comes by trusting in Christ, who is the ultimate source of rest for our souls (Matt 11:28-30). The Sabbath points us to Him, but keeping the day itself cannot secure eternal life.

SabbathBlessings said:
Yes and I went through this in detail what Paul contrasted as walking in the Spirit compared to those who are walking in the flesh Rom8:4,7-8

Paul’s teaching in Romans 8 shows that the Spirit produces true obedience, including the fruit of rest and godly living. Yet this obedience flows from faith and grace, not from legalistic law-keeping. One could observe the Sabbath flawlessly outwardly but still lack the Spirit, and therefore lack salvation. The Spirit leads us into righteousness, whereas mere rule-keeping cannot change the heart (Rom 8:4; Gal 5:16-18).

SabbathBlessings said:
Yes I discussed here The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About. If Christ is fulfilling the law is us, we would be keeping it just as He did as he is our example to follow John15:10 1John2:6

It is correct that Christ fulfills the law and that our obedience should reflect His example (John 15:10; 1 John 2:6). But this shows that salvation comes through Him, not through our attempts to imitate Him perfectly. Even perfect Sabbath observance is still our human effort and cannot accomplish what Christ’s obedience alone has achieved. Following Christ is about relationship and faith, not legalistic perfection.

SabbathBlessings said:
Sadly, this shows me you do not understand the role of the Ten Commandments. It reveals our sin Rom3:20 Rom7:7 and shows us our condition and our need for Jesus. We get rid of the law, all it does is covers our sins and we think we are in Christ, when we are in darkness Pro28:13 John3:19-21 I guess that's why Jesus commissioned us to teach the commandments of God quoting right from the Ten Mat5:19-30, we are to repent of sin and turn from it, meaning go the other direction and start keeping the commandments of God because breaking them is sin. 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7

The law, including the Sabbath command, indeed exposes sin and highlights our dependence on Jesus (Rom 3:20; Rom 7:7). This reinforces that obedience cannot save, because we all fall short. The law’s purpose is to show the need for a Savior and to guide believers in faithful living—not to act as a ticket to heaven. Our standing before God is based on faith in Christ, who fulfilled the law for us.

SabbathBlessings said:
The wisest man in the Bible put it this way

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

And one of the last verses in the Bible before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Obedience to God’s commandments, including the Sabbath, is a natural fruit of a redeemed life and a response to His love (Eccl 12:13-14; Rev 22:14). It is never the basis of salvation. One can faithfully keep the Sabbath and still miss the gospel if they trust in rules rather than Christ. True blessing and eternal life are received through faith in Him, and obedience flows from that relationship—not the other way around.

Dan Perez · Oct 29, 2025

BobRyan said:
No it is not in scripture. The idea that saved people go to purgatory to work off debt, suffer for debt, become more fitted for heaven, and then go do heaven is not in scripture.

What is more Catholic sources declare that purgatory suffering is far worse then any suffering humans endure on Earth. So the idea that the blood of Christ that saves a soul, does not over this immense debt of suffering, is clearly not found in the Bible

It is not found in the Bible.

we do have Heb 9 "It is appointed unto a person once to die and then comes the judgment", not "And then comes a lot of punishment until they are purged of all debt that the Gospel of Christ did not cover for them"j

and there is nothing in the Bible about humans suffering in this life more than they would owe in the lack of fire were they not saved.
There is also nothing in the Bible about humans in this life having such excess suffering being able to use that excess to apply to someone else in a place called Purgatory

And I have yet to where one went to heaven. and would have to be a SPECIAL RESSRRECTION. and JOHN 3:13 SAYS NO

ONE has ASCENDED to heaven. but He. came down from heaven. is the Son. of God. !!

dan p

Hentenza · Oct 29, 2025

MarkRohfrietsch said:
It seems that there is a lot going on in Heaven according to the Revelation of St. John.

Totally agree. But the differences of interpretations make an already convoluted topic into a daunting one. That’s why I’m trying to stick to the simple reading of scripture.

I pray you and yours are doing well

Bradskii · Oct 29, 2025

Hentenza said:
They do all the time. Thugs run from police and resist police all the time. Most carry guns and use them against police or federal agents. It’s a fact of their chosen carrier.

I see. So if they have been told that they are going to be arrested, charged with smuggling drugs and read their rights but they then try to escape and open fire on the police then the police are authorised to use all necessary force. I think I understand.

So I guess that the officers who suspected that a crime had been comitted would be in serious trouble if they simply killed them without any warning whatsoever.

Do we agree?

Ophiolite · Oct 29, 2025

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
The type created by sophisticated machines that despite all the evidence we have for the Egyptians, both from themselves and other sources, have not found a single trace of, let alone in the Greek or Roman world who repeatedly came into contact with the Egyptians, and especially the latter who would have no doubt used it themselves if they found it.

I think, Warden, the answer is obvious! These machines were so sophisticated and advanced that their built in obsolescence was so powerful that on completion of any vase the machine crumbled to dust. Then the potter had handover his hard-earned scheckels to buy a new one from the alien merchants.

MarkRohfrietsch · Oct 29, 2025

Hentenza said:
My brother. I don’t see Heaven as a spiritual place only and I prefer a simpler reading of scripture. No reason of over complicating Heaven.

It seems that there is a lot going on in Heaven according to the Revelation of St. John.

Oompa Loompa · Oct 29, 2025

rjs330 said:
Yes they do need help. And we should help them. I'm all for it. The question does become, how many times, ten twenty, three?

There is only so much we can do for people who refuse to stay off. And maybe, staunching the flow will eventually help as well. If we make it much more difficult to obtain, it may help keep them off.

Any therapist specializing in substance abuse knows you can not help an addict until they admit they have a problem.

essentialsaltes · Oct 29, 2025

wing2000 said:
The Asian leaders certainly know how to play him. Golden golf club and ball in Japan. Golden crown in South Korea.

Flattery will get you everywhere.

US will share tech to let South Korea build a nuclear-powered submarine, Trump says

U.S. nuclear submarine technology is widely regarded as some of the most sensitive and highly guarded technology the military possesses

Ophiolite · Oct 29, 2025

David Lamb said:
In his post preceding mine he simply asked, "What is a mile?" No explanation about the question being a joke, just the four-word question.

David, I'm regret being unable to make this clear. AV1611VET asked this:

AV1611VET said:
Is this the equivalence of saying 93 million miles equals one astronomical unit?

Hans asked "What are miles" which he later explained in post 112 was a joke. That's the post I referred to as being immediately preceding yours - yours was 113.

Until @Hans Blaster tells me I am letting my imagination run wild, I think his question is also an implicit way of saying "No AV, it is not equivalent."

I'm sorry my intervention did the opposite of clarifying things for you and took us even further off-topic.

Edit: On the other hand, taking the thread off topic might be the kindest thing we can do.

Richard T · Oct 29, 2025

bèlla said:
Many believe cryptocurrency is a scam but it’s creating a lot of millionaires. I recommended investing a few years ago more than once. If you chose well you made a profit.

~bella

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Crypto really produces nothing other than a constant churn of transactions. It has produced millionaires if they have cashed out. If everyone cashes out what will crypto be worth? Back to nothing and many will lose on the downside. So all it does to me is it just changes who has the money. Again, it is valued at X trillion now and some have some great profits if they have already sold. But with no income stream or no physical presence like gold or silver which can be used in the real world, at some point it will saturate and fall. I suppose there is some long lasting demand by those who do not want their money tracked as much, or if you lived in a nation where you could not hold that nations currency because it is debased.

It also has shown it is tough to keep the money safe. Binance proved that. Those exchanges are not as trustworthy as most governments. Your recommendation was good though, and It might stay around but it will need to have swings in price to keep people interested. Gold and other metals outshined crypto this year.

essentialsaltes · Oct 29, 2025

Pentagon cuts troops in Eastern Europe, prompting rare pushback by GOP lawmakers

Top Republicans say the move sends the 'wrong signal' to Vladimir Putin.

In a joint statement, the top Republicans on the House and Senate armed services committees said they would not support changes to the military’s posture in Europe without a “rigorous interagency process,” including coordination with Congress.

Wicker and Rogers directly pushed back on the notion that Europe was ready to fill the gaps when it comes to NATO security, noting that it needs time to build up its defenses and saying the move risks "inviting further Russian aggression."

"This decision also sends the wrong signal to Russia at the very moment President Trump is applying pressure to force Vladimir Putin to come to the table to achieve a lasting peace in Ukraine," the senators wrote. "The President has it exactly right: now is the time for America to demonstrate our resolve against Russian aggression. Unfortunately, the Pentagon’s decision appears uncoordinated and directly at odds with the President’s strategy."

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