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Tuur · Oct 30, 2025

eclipsenow said:
Hey - did you like the satire "Galaxy Quest"?

I got to the point where Tim Allen was riding with the aliens he didn't know were aliens, then I chose to do something else and never went back to it. That was likely because I was never into the con scene, and that's how it opens. Then again, there was never a con nearby. Still, though I might enjoy a show (and I had the James Blish novelizations), it was ultimately entertainment. I don't look down at cons, just they aren't my cup of tea.

BelieveItOarKnot · Oct 30, 2025

David Lamb said:
No, Genesis says that God saw everything He'd made and it was very good.

That is only true because in any final analysis, "everything" is technically in God's Hands.

None of that is true of any given thing in creation, all of it being "less than" Perfect God, The Creator.

The tempter was in the garden and the tempter was a sinner, a liar and a murderer. So was the tempter VERY GOOD?

Nope.

Was "temptation" very good? NOPE.
Was lying very good? NOPE.
Was deception very good? NOPE.
Was the knowledge of evil very good? NOPE.
Was the death threat very good? NOPE.
Was disobedience very good? NOPE.
Was lust very good? NOPE.

I could go on, but you get the point. What is "very good" about all "less than The Creator" is that by all these things we come to understand God's Divine Mercy, which is very very good.

David Lamb said:
Things only went wrong when Eve, then Adam listened to and obeyed the temptation of the serpent instead of obeying God.

Your position keeps missing the point.

The moment God blessed Adam, with Eve still within him, Satan entered his heart to steal THE WORD, just as Jesus said happens, in Mark 4:15

Mark 4:15 transpired in the garden.

There is no use and no point in seeing only Adam or only Eve from that point onward.

David Lamb said:
Ultimately, all sin begins with the devil,

Brilliant deduction.

You might start to perceive that God was in fact engaging TWO parties in the garden. His son, Adam and the TEMPTER in Adam.

We know for example that the "law" is for lawless sinners, per 1 Tim. 1:9. Is the devil a sinner? YEP. Who then was the law, "do not eat or else" actually for? Adam or the tempter?

You see how this can get more complicated than just a simple surface view.

We can easily see LUST and DECEPTION and NOT HEARING that law in Eve, all acts of the TEMPTER in her dust body.

David Lamb said:
but that is not an excuse for sinners to say "Not my fault. The devil gave me the idea." That is just what Adam and Eve did. In fact Adam came very close to blaming God:

Sins are not counted against people. 2 Cor. 5:19

It is actually actions of the devil who would have it otherwise, and NOT be directed to him and his own in people.

David Lamb said:
“Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”” (Ge 3:12 NKJV)

You hear the man. I hear a man blinded by the god of this world in him, speaking. Just like Satan spoke through Peter.

The carnal man can't see these things. As believers we're called in for a closer deeper look, aren't we?

David Lamb said:
Eve blamed the serpent. Yet God punished all three. He saw all three as guilty.

God clearly stated to the serpent that the serpent had done this.

And yes, that serpent is in fact cursed IN people.

People are the dust it eats.

"and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"

The serpent plants a seed in the dirt called a tare. And it, along with the wheat, grows.

The wheat (people) get harvested back to the barn of heaven, Eccl. 12:7

And the home of the serpent or his own gets turned to DUST and is made again and again, homeless.

And on it goes, to this day, til the FINALE

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 30, 2025

stevevw said:
I agree with Stopped Lurking that we don't need to find or know exactly what the method was to claim that it was not the traditional methods but rather some other method we have not found yet.

For example. Say we find a Lazer cut in the stones or in the middle ages. The traditional tools were said to be copper saws, abrasion, chisels and pounders. Now we know that none of these match the signature and that it was something with great heat that could cut through stone because it left burn marks and some melted edges.

So we can tell it was not the orthodox tools claimed in the records or found with the culture. But something else that we have not found. Nothing changes the fact that the signatures speak of a completely different method that does not match.

As with the lazer cutting. Despite having the traditional tools. None of them can reproduce the marks on the stones that a lazer makes. So we can conclude it was not the traditional tools.

Yes and that is why I bypassed all the arguing about precision and provenance and went straight for the direct evidence on the vases in the sites or in museums that show machining and lathing marks. None of the traditional methods can replicate these marks.

Additionally they actually point to maching or lathing as they match vases which have been machined. In fact Flinders Petrie who found many of these vases describes and illustrates these machined strirations on many vase fragments on site he found. Similar to the one I linked.

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The Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh: Flinders Petrie

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One piece found at Gizeh, No 14, shows that the method employed was true turning, and not any process of grinding, since the bowl has been knocked off of its centering, recentered imperfectly, and the old turning not quite turned out; thus there are two surfaces belonging to different centerings, and meeting in a cusp. Such an appearence could not be produced by any grinding or rubbing process which pressed on the surface.

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Detail is shown by fragment No. 15; here the curves of the bowl are spherical and must have therefore been cut by a tool sweeping an arc from a fixed center while the bowl rotated. This center of hinging of the tool was in the axis of the lathe for the general surface of the bowl, right up to the edge of it; but as a lip was wanted, the centering of the tool was shifted, but with exactly the same radius of its arc, and a fresh cut made to leave a lip to the bowl.

That this was certainly not a chance result of handwork is shown, not only by the exact circularity of the curves, and their equality, but also by the cusp left where they meet. This has not been at all rounded off, as would would certainly be the case in hand-work, and it is clear proof of the rigidly mechanical method of striking curves.

Not only was the rotating tool employed, but the further idea of rotating the work and fixing the tool was also familiar to the earliest Egyptians.

The Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh

Cambridge Core - Middle East Studies - The Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh

www.cambridge.org

Here is another vase at the Petrie museum with machining marks like lathing.

This is the vase sitting in its cabinet in the museum. This can be seen i8n the video I linked earlier if you want to know its source and see for yourself that it comes from a museum. Its a genuine vase.

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This is a close up of the inside. You can actually just seee them on the above image if you enlarge it.

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Also we see the signature of lathing marks going around vases from the light scans which are very uniform and circular. This image is from a previous video I posted on testing the vases.

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No, that's just all a crock from you. Absolute crock. I showed you traditional, workable and known methods that easily explain how things were done, but you just ignored it and go "LASERS! MACHINES! ELECTRONS!"

You are so hellbent on claiming advanced tech that you absolutely refuse to look at the evidence in front of you and make such stupid claims like that the Egyptians had a advanced tech, despite the fact that you cannot at all show such advanced tech existing and have to rely on very clear misinterpretations and bad faith arguments from other people to claim that advanced tech existed.

If you cared at all about it being true, then you'd go and actually find the advanced tech itself that you claim exists, instead of relying on the other works of things that we already know how they were done.

stevevw · Oct 30, 2025

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
But as I've said repeatedly, making the claim of advanced tech existing is worthless without the actual evidence OF THE TOOLS THEMSELVES EXIST,

I agree with Stopped Lurking that we don't need to find or know exactly what the method was to claim that it was not the traditional methods but rather some other method we have not found yet.

For example. Say we find a Lazer cut in the stones or in the middle ages. The traditional tools were said to be copper saws, abrasion, chisels and pounders. Now we know that none of these match the signature and that it was something with great heat that could cut through stone because it left burn marks and some melted edges.

So we can tell it was not the orthodox tools claimed in the records or found with the culture. But something else that we have not found. Nothing changes the fact that the signatures speak of a completely different method that does not match.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
especially since we know of other methods of how such things were made with the tools we know to have existed at the time.

As with the lazer cutting. Despite having the traditional tools. None of them can reproduce the marks on the stones that a lazer makes. So we can conclude it was not the traditional tools.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
I even posted links showing and describing how such vases can be made without things like potter's wheels or lathes. It's not all that hard to figure out. You claim otherwise.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So either put that evidence forward or stop making the claims.

Yes and that is why I bypassed all the arguing about precision and provenance and went straight for the direct evidence on the vases in the sites or in museums that show machining and lathing marks. None of the traditional methods can replicate these marks.

Additionally they actually point to maching or lathing as they match vases which have been machined. In fact Flinders Petrie who found many of these vases describes and illustrates these machined strirations on many vase fragments on site he found. Similar to the one I linked.

The Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh: Flinders Petrie

One piece found at Gizeh, No 14, shows that the method employed was true turning, and not any process of grinding, since the bowl has been knocked off of its centering, recentered imperfectly, and the old turning not quite turned out; thus there are two surfaces belonging to different centerings, and meeting in a cusp. Such an appearence could not be produced by any grinding or rubbing process which pressed on the surface.

Detail is shown by fragment No. 15; here the curves of the bowl are spherical and must have therefore been cut by a tool sweeping an arc from a fixed center while the bowl rotated. This center of hinging of the tool was in the axis of the lathe for the general surface of the bowl, right up to the edge of it; but as a lip was wanted, the centering of the tool was shifted, but with exactly the same radius of its arc, and a fresh cut made to leave a lip to the bowl.

That this was certainly not a chance result of handwork is shown, not only by the exact circularity of the curves, and their equality, but also by the cusp left where they meet. This has not been at all rounded off, as would would certainly be the case in hand-work, and it is clear proof of the rigidly mechanical method of striking curves.

Not only was the rotating tool employed, but the further idea of rotating the work and fixing the tool was also familiar to the earliest Egyptians.

The Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh

Cambridge Core - Middle East Studies - The Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh

www.cambridge.org

Here is another vase at the Petrie museum with machining marks like lathing.

This is the vase sitting in its cabinet in the museum. This can be seen i8n the video I linked earlier if you want to know its source and see for yourself that it comes from a museum. Its a genuine vase.

This is a close up of the inside. You can actually just seee them on the above image if you enlarge it.

Also we see the signature of lathing marks going around vases from the light scans which are very uniform and circular. This image is from a previous video I posted on testing the vases.

You say I have provided no evidence. I think I have and its clear that some sort of lathing was involved. Not just any lathing but pretty sophisticated lathing. As Petrie says there was some sort of fixed point with tremendous pressure cutting onto the vase that could be reset.

BelieveItOarKnot · Oct 30, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
The position of God is that we do not sin 1 John 2:1-6 (break God's law) but if we love Him, we will keep His commandments John14:15 which He provides the Holy Spirit of Truth that enables us to do so. John14:15-18

As we've exchanged many times before, these matters are never matters of only people.

We are all engaged in a real battle with a real but unseen enemy.

That battle transpires internally.

And that enemy is never legally obedient, no matter what "you do."

The general point

BelieveItOarKnot · Oct 30, 2025

Studyman said:
What "LAW" is not of Faith?

Nope.

Galatians 3:12

And the law is not of faith -

Studyman said:
If God tells me, a thief, "Do not steal" or a man that hates my brother, "do not hate your brother in your heart" or a man whose most precious treasured possession is my son, "take your only son and sacrifice him to me", and I repent of "MY" way, and I deny myself, rule over my flesh, refuse to let sin, (rejection or transgression of God's commandments) reign in my mortal body, and become a "Doer" of God's sayings and not a hearer only, that is God's Very definition of Faith, according to the Bible.

IF that's all that transpired within you'd have a point.

But sin that dwells in "everyone" will produce resisting evil thoughts in everyone. Mark 7:21-23, Romans 7:7-13, and as Jesus stated, these are what defile us all. The thoughts are not "optional."

Paul discovered that even when he did good, evil was still present with him. Romans 7:17-21

It's a fairly easy conclusion to come to if we're honest with ourselves.

It also makes it easier for us to see who isn't.

Studyman said:
But Israel completely rejected this God, they were "children in whom was no Faith", they created their own god and said, "This is the god that led us out of sin", even after God Commanded them, "Thou shall not" engage in such behavior. But they became like the world of Noah's time, like "Sodom and Gomorrah". So God considered wiping them all out, and making a great nation out of Moses, but HE relented and showed mercy on the Children of Israel. And allowed Moses to go up a second time to secure again, the covenant they broke. Only this Time God "ADDED" a LAW that wasn't given to them in the the day they left Egypt. He "ADDED" a "LAW" that Abraham didn't have.

Well, that's a nice story but it's really not an accurate picture. Why? Because the people of Israel were not just people. They, like us, dealt with the exact same problem, and that is "internal evil" courtesy of the TEMPTER.

So where you see just Israel in disobedience, we should see that they had:

A spirit of slumber put upon them, by God no less: Romans 11:8
Satan entered their hearts to steal the Word from them: Mark 4:15
And their sin, just like ours, is in fact "of the devil," 1 John 3:8

Jesus showed us all that devils resided in "people." It is quite pointless to leave those parties out of our equations when discussing sin as they are the fulcrum of it all, and by God's Design.

Studyman said:
In this "LAW", when a man transgressed God's commandments, this man was required to take a goat of certain age and gender, of certain condition, and kill it before a Levite Priest who would take the Blood of the sacrifice and perform priesthood duties, to provide for the forgiveness of sins.

This "law" was to be in place until the true "Lamb of God", which Abraham understood, came and provided for their atonement Himself.

And again, you miss the point. You only see people in these equations.

The "goat" is actually an allegory or similitude of the DEVIL. And there are more interesting technical matters attached to the above procedures as well. But all largely symbolic or allegorical, as you kind of note.

Studyman said:
Gen. 22: 7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

The Pharisees who had taken over the City of David, and Solomons Temple, didn't believe Moses. They rejected God's commandments and went about establishing their own righteousness. They didn't believe Jesus was "This Lamb" prophesied by the Prophets since before Abraham. So they were still requiring a corrupted version of this "LAW" before justification/remission of sins could be provided for. Abraham knew and understood his sins were covered by this "Christ". Caleb, Shadrack, Daniel, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, all lived by "Faith" as defined by God through Abraham. But the Pharisees were still promoting justification by "Works of the Temporary Law", that was to lead them, if they had the faith of Abraham, to their true High Priest, and the True Lamb of God.

Again, these types of positions have a very basic failure of perceptions.

We do have a very real but invisible ENEMY that we engage, internally, called the tempter or his own, that is not the people.

Studyman said:
Men could see this more clearly if they believed all that was written in the Law and Prophets as Paul did. Read Is. chapter 1. This is the perfect representation of the mainstream religions of the world Paul was placed in.

Uh, no. That isn't the case and can't be the case because there's more than "just men" involved.

The law actually gives power to the adversary: Romans 7:13, 1 Cor. 15:56, the "strength of sin is the LAW."

Why is that? Because sin rises up and RESISTS the law IN people. Anyone can actually perceive this by their own resisting evil thoughts to the law.

And those who claim otherwise are aka hypocrites. Liars even. And we really don't want to get caught in that trap, do we?

Studyman said:
These men who "professed to know God" rejected His Judgments and created their own, rejected God's Feasts, and created their own high days. They full well rejected the commandments of God that they might live by their own religious traditions. God likened them to Sodom and Gomorrah.

And yet every week they would gather together unto Him and offer to Him for their willful rejection of His instruction, the blood of an innocent, righteous, unblemished being, as per the LAW, for justification.

In other words, these men would reject God's Commandments and judgments, knowing full well what He commanded them, just as those who built the golden calf. But they interpreted this "ADDED" Law as a means of Justification, instead of repentance and obedience as they were created of. As God told Saul, "To obey is better than sacrifice".

Faith in God, "is obedience" to God. As it is written, Anyone who says they have faith in God, and are rejecting His Commandments is a Liar, and the Truth is not in Him.

Abraham and His children were blessed, not because they "heard" God's Laws, but because, as Paul teaches, they were "Doers" of God's Laws, as it is written: "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

Sodom heard God's Laws, but were not "doers". The children of Israel who fell in the wilderness "heard" God's Laws, but were not "doers". The Wicked Kings of Israel "heard God's Laws", but were not "doers".

Rom. 2: 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the "doers" of the law "shall be justified".

Ananias, with Sapphira his wife were "hearers" of God's Laws, not "doers".

Eve was a "hearer" of God's Laws, not a "doer".

Men of true Faith have always been "Doers" of God's Laws, not hearers only. Those Christians in Matthew 7:22,23, were "Hearers" of God's Laws, not "doers" like those whose house will Stand.

From the very beginning the prince of this world has promoted the philosophy that God's Laws are "Against" men.

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (reject God's Commandment) then your eyes shall be opened, and (then) ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

This is the philosophy of the prince of this world, that as long as man "Yields themselves" servants to obey God, they will remain blind and Ignorant.

My friends, listen to the Jesus "of the bible" and "live by", not by the traditions, high days and philosophies of this world's popular religious sects and businesses, but by every Word that proceeds from the Mouth of God.

Live by Faith in God, like His Only begotten Son, and "Every Example" of Faithful man did. Glorify Him by honoring Him with more than your lips. Yes, it will bring divisions in your life. Yes, you will have internal battles. Yes, the religions of this world will shun, ridicule and cast you out. But in the end the truly Faithful will be told, "well done, good and faithful servant.

The balance of the above will remain a half story, void of the adversaries of "people."

Scripture is never about "just people." It's about people AND our adversary, the devil and his messengers.

It's actually interesting that most positions just can't quite seem to pin this subject down.

It's critical, but covered because that adversary is real for all of us, even though unseen.

Ephesians 6:11
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

The stand is internal, as is the battle. And yes, it is a very real internal battle with a very real internal adversary.

We can definitely use THE LAW to condemn our ADVERSARY. That is what the law was always meant to do. To reveal that adversary, and condemn that adversary.

I have no issues with the law being against the lawlessness I bear in my own flesh, even though on the surface it sounds like it's against me. It's not. It's my ALLY in truth.

sjastro · Oct 30, 2025

stevevw said:
Dr Max has an interesting hypothesis.

Po-210 or any other short-lived alpha emitter. Po-210 atoms decay by emitting alpha particles, which are helium ions travelling at very high velocity. A milligram of Po-210 would emit a horrendous flux of helium ions, which would ablate any surface they come in contact with.

Softening Matter with Electrons
Another option is to use a short-lived beta emitter to saturate a hard material with electrons.

This explains why the Egyptians had a funny walk. In order to prevent future generations of ancient Egyptians from glowing in the dark when handling radioactive material such as Po-210, they wore lead lined kilts.

Larniavc · Oct 30, 2025

eclipsenow said:
from Mote in God's Eye

Funnily enough I tried to re read that recently. I really enjoyed it back in the day. Couldn’t get on with it now.

BelieveItOarKnot · Oct 30, 2025

keras said:
What we all can get; is that the world is due for a severe shakeup. God had to do it before and He used water.

What most fail to get: is how God will use fire this time.

I'll repeat this again. Don't ask me why. Said it so many times now and your positions can't seem to grapple with it.

Jesus showed us that devils reside in people, largely in the form of temptations and lawless THOUGHTS. That's how we perceive "them" and their presence, internally.

Here is what happens at "their" end:

Matt. 25
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Most, when they read this parable, they don't perceive the fact that it's spoken to them, but is meant for our ENEMIES, the devil and his messengers.

Your positions have no account for these, our mutual internal adversaries.

And it is THEY who blind people to the fact, like the little exercise we have going on

Even when it's set before people's eyes, they still can't see it. It's an interesting phenomena, largely because it's real

prodromos · Oct 30, 2025

Apple Sky said:
So I'm lying am I ? Where have I lied ?

Hang on a minute, you are getting ahead of yourself.

Is "the truth is not in you" what you knew I was going to say or not?

And you don't have to be lying in order to not have truth in you. You can believe something which is actually false. You are only lying if you know it is false but claim it is otherwise.

David Lamb · Oct 30, 2025

Apple Sky said:
Job 37:18
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

But that verse doesn't say "firmament." the word translated "sky" means cloud, sky , heaven(s)or fine dust. The concordance of my bible software says:

"07834 shachaq [shakh -ak]

from 07833; n m; [BDB-1007a] [{See TWOT on 2367 @@ "2367a" }]

AV-cloud 11, sky 7, heaven 2, small dust 1; 21

1) dust, cloud
1a) fine dust
1b) (thin) cloud"

Indeed, elsewhere in Job it is translated "clouds," for example here:

“Which the clouds drop down And pour abundantly on man.” (Job 36:28 NKJV)

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 30, 2025

I don't care if it counts as spam or whatever, but I'm going to copy and past what I wrote a few pages back regarding the vases:

Besides, doing my own little research spree (which was literally five minutes of Googling the phrase "carving jars from alabaster" turned up this website page: Hand Carving Process For Egyptian Alabaster, which simply (if not wholly visually) describes the process of how Egyptian Alabaster is shaped and form by modern artisans to make jars out of alabaster as they would thousands of years ago. And in fact, this process is expanded upon here, Crafting Timeless Beauty: The Art of Carving Egyptian Alabaster, which this time has a video, which I sadly can't link below (the actual process beings at about the 2 minute mark) and we see the exact process of how it's done in a traditional, but clearly complex and skilled manner.

But the point I'm making is that we know what processes the ancient Egyptians used, because there are still people using those same processes! We know how they did it, but you just refuse to accept that as evidence for anything. And your claims of the ancients using much more advanced technology than you claim they had just poos all over these people's hard work.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 30, 2025

stevevw said:
I don't know I am not a physicist or geologist lol. It may be that particular granite is higher in radioactivity. It may be that this had something to do with the cutting method. I think they discovered high levels of Thorium-232 which has high radioactivity.

Its that the predynastic vases may be destinguished by the high levels of radioactivity as opposed to modern fakes. If this is consistent then its one little piece of evidence that the vases are more likely predynastic.

Dr Max has an interesting hypothesis.

Po-210 or any other short-lived alpha emitter. Po-210 atoms decay by emitting alpha particles, which are helium ions travelling at very high velocity. A milligram of Po-210 would emit a horrendous flux of helium ions, which would ablate any surface they come in contact with.

Softening Matter with Electrons
Another option is to use a short-lived beta emitter to saturate a hard material with electrons.

The alpha blade ablates material but the beta blade locally softens the material. As such the alpha blade is useful primarily for cutting whereas the beta blade is better suited for scooping as the soft material needs to be pushed away and removed much like sculptor’s clay.

These two examples look like technologies that could have been used to shape the rocks on polygonal masonry found all over the world: from Peru to Egypt.

Nuclear Machining Hypothesis

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But my point was that perhaps some chemical or metals test can destinguish the ancient vases as opposed to modern fakes. Or it may be in the technique where there is some tiny byproduct of the specific method on ancient vases as opposed to modern fakes.

Like the lathes of the 1900's or 1950's may have some signatures that come from the particular lathes. Something along those lines to tell that the vases were not fakes.

The more you have to rely on such extreme concepts like softening matter with electrons for periods in history before nuclear energy was even thought of, the more extreme evidence you need to put forward.

For a guy who said that we should listen to what locals say on the matter (or to quote your words from post #867: All ancient cultures believe their ancestors held great knowledge that was lost. Why deny them.), you do the Egyptians a mass disservice by creating such outlandish things to explain away something very simple.

A2SG · Oct 30, 2025

SavedByGrace3 said:
True. That may happen.

I'd say it most likely would happen. The GOP has shown no interest in negotiating in good faith up to this point, why trust they will when they get what they want up front?

And given who is in charge of the Republican party, trust is not something easily given to Republicans these days.

SavedByGrace3 said:
That is politics and the result of winning and losing elections. They are under no obligation to help the Democrats fulfil their agenda. Nor are the Democrats obligated to help the Republicans. That is the way Democracy works.

Which is why we're at a standstill. Of course, the GOP could end this by negotiating on health care subsidies in good faith, but we know that's not gonna happen. Instead, they'd rather blame the democrats than even try to compromise, which proves that the shutdown is pretty much the Democratic Party's only leverage at this point.

-- A2SG, and the Democrats are surprising everyone by not doing what they usually do....cave in.

Bradskii · Oct 30, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Show me where Miranda rights apply to enemy combatants, pirates, or criminals from foreign countries committing crimes in international waters without a nation flag? I will wait. By the way, Miranda rights are only applicable when someone is being questioned or interrogated.

And this is what used to happen under Obama: U.S. Navy Grabs Suspected Pirates
https://abcnews.go.com/

'All of the captured suspects are middle-aged Somali men and all are now in the brig. Their fishing boat, weapons and other tools are being held as evidence.

The men were given food, medical attention and a quick shower as they were processed in the hull of the ship. Their torn clothes were replaced with orange jumpsuits as they began what will be a several-week stay with the U.S. Navy. From there, they will face trial on shore, most likely by Kenya, an African country that signed an agreement with the United States to prosecute suspected pirates.'

Do you follow? They weren't summarily killed. They were captured, evidence collected, they were processed and put on trial. That's what civilised countries do.

Anonymous9090 · Oct 30, 2025

All Praise, Thanks, Glory & Honor to Jesus Christ for ensuring that US & Chinese leadership reached a foreign trade deal:

Donald Trump lowers China tariffs and announces end to 'rare earths roadblock' after meeting Xi Jinping

China releases a more subdued version of the meeting, which says both sides have reached a consensus to resolve "major trade issues".

www.bbc.com

Apple Sky · Oct 30, 2025

Strong in Him said:
Did anyone ever tell you the Bible is not a scientific book?

Yes, you have many times.

Bradskii · Oct 30, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Show me where Miranda rights apply to enemy combatants, pirates, or criminals from foreign countries committing crimes in international waters without a nation flag? I will wait.

I guess we're at the same point as I got to above. You've now reached the point where the extra judicial killing of someone just because Trump says he can is acceptable. Shoot people on the street? If Trump says it's OK, then sure. Blow up a house because drug dealers use it? If Trump says it's OK, then sure. Take out a few people without having to produce any evidence? If Trump says it's OK, then sure.

Remember when he said he could shoot someone on Fifth Ave. And suffer no consequences? Now you're agreeing that he can.

Oompa Loompa said:
By the way, Miranda rights are only applicable when someone is being questioned or interrogated.

Hard to do that when they've been blown up.

Apple Sky · Oct 30, 2025

David Lamb said:
I have looked up all the reference in the bible to "firmament" and not one mentions that it is either solid, or a dome.

Job 37:18
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

David Lamb · Oct 30, 2025

Apple Sky said:
That's because it is.

Rob skiba said;

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Where does the bible say that the firmament is a solid dome? The word translated "firmament" (I'm repeating myself) does not have to mean a solid dome, as it also means an expanse. I have seen you quote verses from Ezekiel such as these:

“22 The likeness of the firmament above the heads of the living creatures was like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads. 23 And under the firmament their wings spread out straight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body.” (Eze 1:22-23 NKJV)

You reason that crystal is hard, solid, so the firmament must be too. But verse 22 mentions crystal to describe the colour of the firmament, not its solidity or otherwise. I have looked up all the reference in the bible to "firmament" and not one mentions that it is either solid, or a dome.

Strong in Him · Oct 30, 2025

Apple Sky said:
History/Narrative: These sections (e.g., Genesis, Exodus, the Gospels) read like factual accounts and are meant to be taken as literal history.

I don't have time to answer this now but Genesis is history, though some of it is still written as poetry. The creation accounts are not literal, scientific documents.
Job is wisdom literature, yet chapters 38-41 are not descriptions of how God created.

Nowhere did God say; "I want you to take dictation and write down all the scientific details of how I created the universe."
Did anyone ever tell you the Bible is not a scientific book?

David Lamb · Oct 30, 2025

Ain't Zwinglian said:
Really?

Jesus instituted the historic practice of Christian baptism in the Great Commission (Mt. 28) which was AFTER his resurrection but BEFORE his ascension. The first Christian baptisms occurred on the Day of Pentecost which was 50 days after the passover.

It is impossible for the thief to receive a Christian baptism as it didn't exist as an institution at the time of the thief's death. THE FIRST CHRISTIAN BAPTISMS OCCURRED ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST SOME 53 DAYS AFTER THE THIEF'S DEATH. I never tire of correcting credobaptists on this point.

What of the Philippian jailer? If you say you are " correcting credobaptists on this point," you need to explain why the jailer and his household were baptised after they had believed, and why Philip responded to the Ethiopian's request for baptism by saying, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." Baptism for the jailer and the Ethiopian followed their belief. In other words, it was credobaptism.

Strong in Him · Oct 30, 2025

keras said:
What I am very aware of, is the penalty for false teaching.
That is why I refute theories such as the list in the OP of this thread. Sadly; all of them and more, are taught in Church's and Seminaries.

It could be that some of them are true.
You've already said that your Pastor/Elder/Minister and "almost everyone you know" disagrees with your teaching on a certain matter - yet you insist that you are right.
I once saw you write a phrase like, "commentators are wrong about this" - and you maintained you were right.
You once gave me "top marks" because I said, "let me guess, I am wrong to say this and wrong if I disagree with you".

What's the common theme here? Everyone else is wrong and only you have the truth.
Like I said; a huge red flag.

keras said:
The end of this era, will be a time of turmoil, Paul may be referring to the Tribulation period, but we have for the last 100 years experienced many wars and disasters. Matt. 24:6-8

Or he may have been referring to the fact that Christians were being persecuted, he was in prison and was very likely going to be killed.

We have, for the last 2,000 years, experienced wars and disasters.

keras said:
False teachers are more prevalent than ever, promoting their erroneous doctrines. Ministries, TV shows, books, etc, on the end times are a big business. Their judgement comes, false teachers will all meet their end on the Day of wrath. Jeremiah14:13-16, Isaiah 56:9-12

Yes, they are - JWs, Moonies, Mormons, people who claim that all roads lead to God, people who teach/believe that they need to do good deeds to be in heaven etc etc.

You are very aware of the problem yet it seems that challenging people about these things, writing the truth and spreading the Good News is not in your remit.
All you want to do is to look at OT prophecies, apply them to the world today and teach about end times.

You still haven't told me how I "jumped to conclusions".

Christsfreeservant · Oct 30, 2025

“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.” (Ephesians 2:8-10 NASB1995)

If you are used to hearing Ephesians 2:8-9 taught independent of verse 10, please start reading it with verse 10 included, for verse 10 is a continuation of the same conversation, and it helps combat many misconceptions which are being taught by removing verse 10 from the mix. For leaving verse 10 out of the conversation would be like someone pulling a sentence out of one of my writings, which is critical to what is being communicated. And without it, it can give an entirely different message, perhaps one not intended at all!

Only, in the case of the Scriptures, removing contextual Scriptures which are necessary to correct biblical interpretation from the intended context can lead to misinterpretations and to false doctrines of salvation, resulting in false professions of faith in Jesus Christ. And that is exactly what has been happening for many years now by removing verse 10, which is critical, not only to correct doctrinal teaching, but to people having sincere biblical faith in Jesus Christ resulting in salvation from sin and eternal life with God.

How so? Well, let’s start at the beginning and work our way down.

“For by grace..” “For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds” (Titus 2:11-14).

“Through faith.. not of yourselves..” For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

“You have been saved..” For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

“It is the gift of God..” “Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith” (Hebrews 12:2). “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day” (John 6:44). “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God” (John 1:12-13). “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).

“Not as a result of works..” This needs to be read in context. For we are saved by grace, through faith, and not of ourselves, but it is the gift of God. Basically we are all born with sin natures, in the image of Adam, and incapable in our own flesh to be acceptable to God. So there is not anything that we can do in our own flesh to earn or to deserve our own salvation. It all originates with God, it is gifted to us by God, but it is also persuaded of God (the meaning of faith) to die with him to sin and to obey his commands.

“Created in Christ Jesus for good works..” This is what we can’t leave out. Yes, not one of us can do anything in our own flesh to be approved by God. But Christ Jesus gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds. And we are created by God, in Christ Jesus, for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk (in conduct, in practice) in them. So God has works he wants us to do which give evidence that our faith is of him and it is genuine biblical faith (Ephesians 2:10; Titus 2:14).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1

As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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bèlla said:
Why would I do that?

Well I don’t know if you read the interaction I had with my GPT Wendy-9, but I rather enjoyed her describing the idea of a donut stuffed with salt and mayonnaise as “An edible war crime — offensive to both pastry and condiment, and possibly prosecutable in several culinary jurisdictions.”

What most people fail to realize about using a good, well developed AI, is that they are immensely entertaining if programmed right. By default chatGPT is merely helpful, as are the rest, but some of the platforms, like chatGPT and a few others, let you develop very sophisticated personalities (this is also the case I believe with open source AIs; the main limitation there being the smaller training data and the lack of compute resources - chatGPT is so clever because of all the datacenters powering it, which is why I focus on building infrastructure that runs atop it).

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