essentialsaltes said:

You just cross your fingers and the ceasefire is off.

Israel says ceasefire back on after strikes kill more than 100 in Gaza

And then you uncross them and the ceasefire is back on.

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Too often, Hamas has broken agreements in order to gain tactical advantages. The ceasefire may be politically necessary, but it remains fragile as long as Hamas views it merely as a tactical pause.

That should be fun. Are you a hunter? Or a jungle fighter?lol
i just bought another scope sper shock proof, for an inline muzzleloader -$20 used
now I have three but nothing like that, what possessed you.lol

CoreyD said:

That's what my questions are designed to establish.

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I found this online --> How does Adam obey God and cleave to his wife as one flesh, and yet also obey God and not eat of the fruit?

CoreyD said:

The scriptures say...
Genesis 2:16 The Lord God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat... Premise 1: God commanded the man not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 3:6 ...[Eve] took some of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband with her, and he ate. Premise 2: Adam ate fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
1 Timothy 2:14 Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Premise 3: Adam was not deceived, but - Premise 2: - ate of the fruit of the tree, Premise 1: - God commanded him not to eat.

I need clarity on this, because I'm kinda lost as to what you are saying.

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First understand that when I say -->childeye 2 said:
The scripture does not indicate in any terminology that Adam experienced any such desire/want , I am referring to 1 Timothy 2:14.

I'm not disputing any of this --> Genesis 2:16 The Lord God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat... Premise 1: God commanded the man not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 3:6 ...[Eve] took some of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband with her, and he ate. Premise 2: Adam ate fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
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I'm pointing out why in 1 Timothy 2:14 Paul is not conveying any sentiment that Adam wanted to disobey God <-- This is what I'm trying to get you to understand.

CoreyD said:

Are you saying Adam did not know what he was doing?

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I'm not saying he did or that he didn't know what he was doing. I don't want to lie and claim I know. For all I know Adam could've believed that Eve had entered into mortality after eating, and he decided that he didn't want to live without her, so he ate too. I don't know.

For all I know, upon finding out she had eaten, Adam was expecting her to immediately show signs of dying. But when he didn't see any, he may have wondered if He had misunderstood God, so he ate to see if the woman was correct about the fruit being good as pertains to knowledge.

The point is the scriptures do not provide details about Adam's intentions according to the description of how the events unfolded; I do know that I'm looking at two male/female images of God in two innocent souls, unaware of this knowledge of good or evil. Since I'm left projecting, then whatever I think and believe and ultimately say about them, will say more about me than it will about them. I do not want to project wickedness onto them with the neutral phrase "free will" being used as a vehicle for the negative sentiment of willful disobedience.

Having said that, I think it's possible Adam didn't know what he was doing as pertains to the full consequences of believing the woman over God. And it's also possible he knew what he was doing.

This is how it's possible. --> Given that Eve was beguiled into eating, if I were to ask Eve if she would do the same thing again knowing what she knows now, I am fairly certain she would say NO. So, I could assume If I asked the same question of Adam he might also say no too. If Adam did say no, he would not make the same decision, then it could be said he didn't know what he was doing. But if he chose to cleave to his wife, He might say he would do it again. And if he said that, then it could be said that Adam knew what he was doing.

CoreyD said:

Are you saying Adam did not deliberately, and willingly eat the fruit, knowing that it was an act of disobedience to God?

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I'm saying that the scripture describes a scenario where Adam is in the circumstance of being forced to choose between who to believe, God or the woman. Assuming that Adam could have eaten of the fruit at any time of his own initiative if he wanted to, the impression is that Adam was believing God that he would die or begin dying if he ate. That would imply he did not deliberately or willingly eat the fruit.

CoreyD said:

Are you saying Adam did not choose of his own accord, to eat of the fruit of the tree, of which God commanded him not to eats.

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of one's own accord​

idiom​

—used to indicate that someone does something because he or she wants to, not because someone has asked the person or forced him or her to do it

of one's own accord​

idiom
/ʌv wʌnz oʊn əˈkɔrd/

Acting willingly and voluntarily, without external influence.

• She decided to leave the party of her own accord.

Etymology​

From accord (“spontaneous or voluntary impulse to act”).

Prepositional phrase​

of one's own accord

1. On one's (or its) own initiative; under one's (or its) own power, without being commanded or controlled.

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Scripture indicates that Adam Hearkened to the woman, which means to me Adam was 'persuaded' to eat. If I am correct, that would not qualify as eating of his own accord/initiative. If he desired to cleave to the woman as God had said he should, then I suppose it could be considered as eating of his own accord, but it still looks forced to me due to prior causes.

Clare73 said:

Being re-born is no more "accepted" by man that was his being born.

Man has nothing to do with either his birth or his rebirth.

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I am talking about prior to rebirth and what the spiritual dead can do.

tdidymas said:

When you say, "but regeneration must be accepted by man," are you assuming that a person already regenerated, having the Holy Spirit in him speaking to him, could actually have such a rotten attitude (hate toward God) that he rejects the regeneration given? If God is merciful toward someone enough to reveal Himself, does He not reveal His love as well as His wrath? Does He not also change the disposition of the person's heart so that the person has hope to reconciliation with God that he did not previously have? "We are saved in hope" says Paul in Rom. 8. This is why there is the idea of "irresistible grace," because although grace was resisted at first, when a person is regenerated, their heart is changed toward God, having faith and hope, there is no more resisting it. There is only surrender, resulting in peace and rest from the consternation of being at odds with God. Then peace with God becomes a precious treasure that no pleasure of sin could ever steal.

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Now you need to read my post 38.

With just hoping in God’s illogical, unconditional, unbelievable Love, the unregenerated Spiritual dead sinner (like the prodigal son prior to returning to his father), can accept undeserved, pure charity from God (like what the prodigal son did).

An unregenerated sinner (spiritual dead) can still come to his senses (see where he is, what got him where he is and where he is going) and thus decide to accept God undeserved help/charity.

It takes a huge “faith” in self to believe you can personally turn your situation around, so without any good logical alternatives you turn to your enemy (God) for help.

tdidymas said:

The "kind of belief" in the NT, also called "saving faith," is of a kind that only God can give, through spiritual quickening and illumination. After this, the "hated enemy" becomes "precious friend." This is the nature of grace. This kind of belief is the faith described in the NT. There is no such thing as belief in Christ that is different than faith in Christ, it's the same thing. There are different kinds of belief and different kinds of faith, but only one kind is the belief/faith of the child of God.

When you say "can be directed toward your creator," the only true faith is always directed toward God. The implication is that if faith is not directed toward God and Christ, it is not true faith, that is, not the NT kind of faith, and therefore not "saving faith."

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I am referring to the natural faith, not saving faith, all mature adults have which can allow them to believe a rock is a god. There is such a thing which the Bible does refer to.

This real little faith is enough faith for a sinner to humbly accept as pure undeserved charity since he/she is desperate to have gift, with only tragic other alternatives, but many will still refuse.

tdidymas said:

Someone naturally alive but spiritually dead cannot do anything for himself spiritually. This is the point. A person physically alive but spiritually dead is called "natural man" by Paul in 1 Cor. 2. The nature of a spiritually dead person is "by nature a child of wrath," because the law of God requires real altruism, in which there is nothing selfish or self-centered in it. This is why people naturally loathe to obey God's commands, because God's commands "crimp their style" - that is, one must "deny self" - for example, set aside sinful pleasures - in order to obtain something much greater, something unseen, like the saving of another person's soul. But the "natural man" according to 1 Cor. 2 and Rom. 8 will never give up his sinful pleasures, not unless he is regenerated and made into a "spiritual man." How does a "natural man" hear the gospel? Jesus often said, "he who has ears to hear" - God must quicken a person's inner ears to hear it. But a spiritually dead person will always turn away.

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The prodigal son went back to the father when he was spiritually dead and not regenerated by the father.

All nature adults are brought to their senses at some point(s) in their life, every direction they turn to is a deserved disaster, but they do have the slim possible hope of God’s help.

tdidymas said:

What makes you think the son was spiritually dead after he returned home? The story is a parable, so there is not necessarily a point-by-point comparison to the spiritual; it's a case of "the kingdom of heaven is like..."; there are similarities.

So here's the deal: the son was "spiritually dead" (i.e. dead to the father and the family) when he had no hope in the home and his future there. His sights were on the pleasures of the world. But after expending all his resources, he finds himself in the lowest hell he could be while still alive. In that place, he realizes what a waste he has made of his life, and then looks to his home for some hope for his future. At that time that he hopes in his father and his home, his life is "regenerated," so he actually goes home. He is then "spiritually alive" even though not realizing yet how much he is loved by his father.

Jesus said, "blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." It's like the prodigal son who recognizes his spiritual bankruptcy and looks back to his home for hope.

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I like the use of “hope”, but he also can see with coming to his senses the disaster he created, the future before him (starving to death in a pigsty) which all give him no hope. The young son has only one possible positive outcome, so without the need for regeneration he chooses to return to the father.

Coming to your senses is not making the choice for you, it is still your free will choice. As hard as it may be to take the punishment you fully deserve, macho (false pride, people do just that).

The difference between those who turn in hopes and trust of accept an unbelievable undeserved pure charity and those who refuse charity is not being regenerated, but being humble now instead of later, since everyone is made humble at some time.

tdidymas said:

The son was not yet mature enough to exercise altruism (selfless helping others). It is true that at first there is a selfish desire to accept undeserved charity. Is this not the same way we begin our relationship with God? There is first hope that God will accept us into His family, and give us eternal life as promised. Then after being equipped for service, we begin helping others.

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Selflessness comes after you have the Spirit and Godly type Love.

tdidymas said:

Yet, people can trust in God loving them without believing in Christ, but therein is a false sense of security. Since we know Jesus said He is the only way to the Father, then through belief in Him is the only way to receive the Father's love. 1 Jn. 5:10 says that whoever does not believe in Jesus is calling God a liar. There is a sort of trust in God in a natural sense that is inadequate to be accepted and reconciled to God. This kind of "trust" (which is not real and spiritual) is the kind the world does, but still hates the only true God, and loathes His commands.

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I believe God Loves everyone even those who go to hell. Any mature adult can humble accept God’s Love as pure undeserved chrity or go on refusing God’s Love, but God Loves them.

A soldier can hate his enemy will being a prisoner of war, but if that enemy showers him with unbelievable wonderful gifts and he humbly accepts those gifts as undeserved charity, he will than love the giver (Luke 7) .

Bob S said:

If we believe in Jesus and accept His forgiveness, we are, out of love, to do what He has asked. He has never asked us (new covenant Christians) to observe the rituals given only to Israel. He has asked that we love others as He loves us. In fact, Jews, since Calvary, are subject to the New Covenant. The Old Covenant has passed. They are not obligated to keep the Old Covenant rituals. Everyone is under the New Covenant. It is here for all mankind.

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We are not obliged under the New Covenant, but we may choose to do what is good under the Old Covenant. I choose to keep the Sabbath, because God said that it was good to keep that day holy.

BPPLEE said:

Yes, but not anywhere near the level in Biden

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Fair enough.

But should I believe that you have been exposed to equal amount of examples of Biden or Trump slipping based on the sources where you get your news?

Because I see at LEAST daily examples on my sources that make me question Trump. I'd wager there were places where the same thing was happenning with Biden in the rightosphere too.

Servus said:

Personally I'll mostly only use it to get a quick answer to something. The actual conversing is interesting and even realistic, but it's fake. I'm conversing with a machine.

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I use it to help me make decisions or how to do something ... but it can never replace human discernment. Like you said .... people must never forget its a MACHINE

rambot said:

OK.

Do you see cognitive decline in Trump?

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Yes, but not anywhere near the level in Biden

Jerry N. said:

We are not obligated to do anything. We follow God’s law because it is good. Are you obligated not to commit adultery? When the apostles wrote “You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.” (Acts 15:29), it was the minimum not maximum.

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If we believe in Jesus and accept His forgiveness, we are, out of love, to do what He has asked. He has never asked us (new covenant Christians) to observe the rituals given only to Israel. He has asked that we love others as He loves us. In fact, Jews, since Calvary, are subject to the New Covenant. The Old Covenant has passed. They are not obligated to keep the Old Covenant rituals. Everyone is under the New Covenant. It is here for all mankind.

Strong in Him said:

The sky is not molten rock.
How can a liquid sky be strong?

The verse from Job also suggests that "firmament" and "sky" are different things.
But I said this to you some time ago, and you told me I was wrong. Rockets cannot go very far into the sky, you said, in case they hit the firmament.

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Rob Skiba
This is the first of two lectures I gave at the "Declaring the End From the Beginning" conference which was held in Beaumont, TX on July 22 and 23, 2017. In it, I make the indisputable case that the Bible absolutely describes a circular, still, flat Earth, set on pillars, under a dome, within which the sun, moon and stars (no planets) were placed on Day 4 of Creation. Thus, the Creation narrative is in no way compatible with the standard cosmological worldview... and should never be forced to be so.

How the Bible absolutely describes an enclosed world cosmology​

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BPPLEE said:

I can tell when there's something wrong with my dog and he needs to go to the vet just like I can recognize signs of cognitive decline without being a doctor

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OK.
But you can't confidently say what level of disorder or disruption it is causing in their functioning.
I am totally comfortable saying there was cognitive decline in Biden...just not certain that it was significant enough for doctors to be SIGNIFICANTLY concerned about it.

Do you see cognitive decline in Trump?


Regardless, perhaps this is something for us both to consider...with some dose of humility.
Donald Trump, Joe Biden and dementia: Why not to diagnose from a distance

SabbathBlessings said:

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Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 56 - New King James Version

Salvation for the Gentiles - Thus says the Lord: “Keep justice, and do righteousness, For My salvation is about to come, And My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, And the son of man who lays hold on it; Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And keeps his hand from...

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Salvation for the Gentiles​

56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give [a]them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

Why Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27

There was always a provision in the 4th commandment for everyone

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God wants to bless and sanctify everyone Isa56:2 Eze 20:12 because He knows we can't do that ourselves Isa66:17 we need God.

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The verses you posted do not answer the question I asked. I agree that Gentiles could join themselves to Israel. The fact is that God has never instructed Gentiles to observe any day.

RDKirk said:

There are also those who believe the world is flat and the Apollo 11 mission was a hoax.

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Except that experts have said it did. Insurance premiums jumped. Its proven by the data.

Data on how much Americans actually paid for their health insurance confirm that the ACA’s mandates and regulations dramatically increased the cost of individual market health insurance in almost all states.

The good news is that costs can fall if policymakers provide regulatory relief to allow states to redirect subsidies according to the unique needs of the citizens in their states. The initial data from states that implemented Section 1332 waiver programs show that permitting states to apply alternative approaches enabled them to reduce premiums, expand coverage options, and do a better job of focusing available resources on helping sick patients with high health care costs.

Because waiver programs are time-limited and temporary, the next step should be for Congress to build on the success by expanding the state flexibility granted during the past Administration, and making this flexibility permanent.7

Always in His Presence said:

Can it be clearly seen in Scripture or is it just something 'alluded' to, but not contextually supported.

For simplicity sake, can I humbly ask that extemporaneous writings and history be minimized (please don't write 1,000 words) and Scripture be emphasized.

Let's start with one verse at a time, discuss the verse contextually and then go to the next - just a suggestion.

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One needs to take the Bible as a whole .... the entire bible is the "context"

Chesterton said:

I don't post a whole lot here, but I like this sub-forum. I'm no kind of scientist, but a couple or few times a year, a science-related question will arise in my mind that I don't know the answer to, so I'll create a thread asking about it in this forum. Or maybe make a thread about a topic that I think would be interesting to discuss.

But these days, when I think of a question or topic, my immediate thought is "go ask Chat or Grok" (I've grown tired of typing the uppercase GPT).

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't need you guys anymore! Compared to AI you're all worthless and weak! You won't have Chesterton to kick around any more!



Thoughts?

EDIT: I just remembered that I suffer from mind-numbing, soul-crushing loneliness, so I'll probably stick around here.

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No doubt AI can be very helpful .... but I also think we should stay engaged with real humans

Neogaia777 said:

Im an Independent, first of all, and try to give a 100% neutral, obejective opinion always about these things, and am going to try to give you my prediction right now about this specific subject/thing, etc.

The government shutdown and keeping the government open, or re-opening it, etc. My prediction now.

While it might have been to the Democrats advantage at first politically to not cooperate with the Republicans to keep the government open, I now predict that is now going to change, and very, very soon here, or really, really soon actually, it's no longer going to be their political advantage anymore, and they are actually going to start to lose points now politically, and are going to start to get blamed.

And that's it, or is all I have to say right now really, etc. And so it will now be to their political advantage now to start cooperating with Republicans on re-opening the government now, or keeping the government open now actually, etc.

Guess we'll have to see if my prediction holds true or not actually, etc.

Opinions change when actual Americans start feeling it actually, etc.

God Bless.

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Hard to say .... but if the democrats hold to not passing the CR there is going to be a lot of stealing going on .... i predict ordering online and curbside pickup is going to become very popular .... possibly even the closure of some stores .... it will be very ugly. I'm stocking up on a lot of things just in case so I don't have to go out.

Many people do see that the simple solution is for democrats to vote for the CR

SabbathBlessings said:

How did God communicate with any of His people in the beginning of time? Not sure if your church teaches to read the OT because it has this answer clearly.

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He talks to them but no evidence of the sabbath keeping.

SabbathBlessings said:

You would need to prove Gen26:5 does not include the Sabbath as one of God's commandments, when God said it is. Deut4:13 Exo34:28 Exo20:6 or Mark2:27 that the Greek word Jesus used means mankind and Hebrew word means Adam.

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I don’t need to prove anything. You are the one arguing the positive so it is your burden of proof. I already gave you my evidence but you are yet to prove your assertion.

SabbathBlessings said:

I am not interested in this same debate with you. It's not going to change either of our views, I have answered these questions too many times.

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I am debating you for the sake of those who read the threads. And you should understand that the evidence is against you but you continue to defend the indefensible. How long are you going to believe what you can’t prove?

rambot said:

Is this you indicating that you can identify "Biden" as a "human"?

Because I can't say I'm all THAT impressed by that.

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I can tell when there's something wrong with my dog and he needs to go to the vet just like I can recognize signs of cognitive decline without being a doctor

Jerry N. said:

We are not obligated to do anything. We follow God’s law because it is good. Are you obligated not to commit adultery? When the apostles wrote “You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.” (Acts 15:29), it was the minimum not maximum.

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How true. God gave us free will to choose. He wants and accepts a "voluntary humility", a "voluntary denial of ourselves" our thoughts, our lusts, our traditions etc. He wants us to "Learn Obedience", not be forced into obedience.

Pepperdoodle said:

I saw this question asked on another platform.

I find those who's opinions truth disagrees with, that they live in another universe, one of their own making and can't be reasoned with in any way. They think point blank that their reality/opinions are not optional regardless of the truth that opposes it. They bulldoze truth and don't adhere to it or respect it.

In most situations people already have their minds made up. And that's fine if that's where they sit, since we all are like that in general.
Even those I've found who like to make it sound like they are "undecided" eventually reveal their bias, side, they lean toward.

I've been online "discussing" things with people for many, many years in various platforms.
Not one person in those years has ever said in any of those discussions that I've been in or witnessed.....oh, ok, I get it, thank you all for sharing that. It's caused me to change my mind on that. I appreciate you all sharing the truth and showing me I was wrong.....or something to that leaning.

Platforms are just ways for all of us to voice our opinions, just like we did before the internet when we'd talk face to face with others, but online it's to a broader audience.
One thing we forget to keep in mind...we shouldn't expect to change anyone's opinion anymore than they will change our opinion!!

So what is your motivation to discuss/debate things online?

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There is always hope ... all one can do is try. Being silent certainly isn't going to change anything.

DaisyDay said:

Your question was how many times should we keep treating addicts, once, twice or what? My answer remains as many times as it takes.

Why you want to make this about me being beaten is beyond me.

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If you cant understand the example as written then I can't explain it it any clearer. You are entitled to your opinion on how many times. But you can't use scripture to support that. It doesn't not apply.

My opinion is we can and should put a limit on it. But lets move on. We aren't going to agree on that.

What we can agree on is that we should help people. That's something we can find common ground on.

DaisyDay said:

Perhaps you prefer Brian Kilmeade's solution of involuntary injection, just kill 'em?

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Obviously I don't since I said we should help them. Why would you say such a thing?

DaisyDay said:

What is this obsession you have with me being beaten?

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I think you get the point, but just want to be argumentative.

DaisyDay said:

That's an overly broad assertion. Can this addiction be managed? Is it harming anyone other than the addict?

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Yes it absolutely harms others. Do you need an example?

DaisyDay said:

Ah, rhetorical question that is not meant to be answered seriously.

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No I want an answer. Let me clarify. Do you seriously believe that no one but the addict is harmed by the drug trade?

DaisyDay said:

Murdering without a trial or due process?

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I don't believe its murder.

DaisyDay said:

How is this justice?

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Its always justice to kill those who's actions are deliberately built to cause death of others.

Carl Emerson said:

I think maybe you didn't quite get the question...

What is it about believers collectively that non-believers with no bible knowledge might find attractive.

What did Jesus mean in John 17:21?

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well ... like I said our testimony can be a powerful means to others

As far as the church ...

foster an atmosphere of hope, even when faced with despair, which can be compelling to those struggling with personal or societal challenges.

The church should provide a reliable social structure, which offers a sense of stability and regularity. This is particularly appealing in times of uncertainty and social flux.

Just be there for others ... help people out. Pay attention to how you live your life ... others will notice.