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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

I think from what I read it was something to do with a precedent that was set when the EU evidently did the same when George Floyd was killed. I think it was about recognising another tragic event that has rocked the world. Just like Floyd did.
Eeh, I don't really see the situations as the same. Floyd was killed by a police officer, a representative of the government and was seen during that time as more of a human/civil rights issue.
This is an apparently crazed killer, whose motive is still unclear who shot someone without larger implications for anything really, especially since the killer was just a single person without belonging to a larger entity like the government.
And quite frankly, his stance on Ukraine and some of the other things he's said garnered him no friends. Maybe among the far right/pro-Russia segments though.
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Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson could face firing squad

He was shot dead in front of his family in an assassination over free speech. That's pretty heinous.
As far as murders go, this one was mild - if I were to choose a method for myself, I’d choose that. Remember how Daniel Pearl was beheaded slowly with a handsaw, video taped, to send a message - that’s what I call heinous.
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I love deep thinking especially God/end times/bible/do something for God anyone that can think deep or INFJ introvert etc here?

This is a recurring theme in your posts which leads me to think the root is personal and not a general talking point. You keep hammering the same points again and again. And it sounds like you need to heal.

If we keep banging our head on a door that won’t budge it’s going to hurt after a while. At some point we must accept what is and what is not and move on.

~bella
I would rather you just ask instead of pass judgement about it
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I love deep thinking especially God/end times/bible/do something for God anyone that can think deep or INFJ introvert etc here?

This is a recurring theme in your posts which leads me to think the root is personal and not a general talking point. You keep hammering the same points again and again. And it sounds like you need to heal.

If we keep banging our head on a door that won’t budge it’s going to hurt after a while. At some point we must accept what is and what is not and move on.

~bella
It is a genuine question looking for a deeper additive or thoughts about it, because why? because honestly I see this more in the church than I have not the superficial and the close mind and not want to include. that is why I raise it to get to the real issue.
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Is Jesus bringing scientists and theologians together through the Robert Marshall NDE?

"The Bible teaches that Satan deceives people through counterfeit miracles, signs, and wonders, which are not genuine miracles in the true sense but are designed to mislead. These deceptive acts are explicitly linked to the end times, where the Antichrist will be empowered by Satan to perform "all power and false signs and wonders" to deceive the world. Revelation describes a false prophet who performs great wonders, including making fire come down from heaven, to deceive those who dwell on the earth and compel them to worship the beast. While Satan cannot perform true miracles—defined as acts outside the natural order, which only God can do—he can mimic such feats through demonic power, creating illusions and manipulating nature to deceive. These counterfeit miracles are part of Satan's strategy to appear as an "angel of light" and lead people away from God. Therefore, believers are warned to test all spirits and ensure that any message or miracle aligns with Scripture, as not every miracle is from God." web
Totally agree.
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Why are all these leading Democrats suddenly facing mortgage fraud charges? Trump's retribution guy at the Federal Housing Finance Agency

He is keeping silent about his parents.



Trump Is Accusing Foes With Multiple Mortgages of Fraud. Records Show 3 of His Cabinet Members Have Them.​


The Trump administration has vowed to go after anyone who got lower mortgage rates by claiming more than one primary residence on their loan papers......​
Labor Secretary Lori Chavez-DeRemer entered into two primary-residence mortgages in quick succession, including for a second home near a country club in Arizona, where she’s known to vacation. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy has primary-residence mortgages in New Jersey and Washington, D.C. Lee Zeldin, the Environmental Protection Agency administrator, has one primary-residence mortgage in Long Island and another in Washington, D.C., according to loan records.​
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I love deep thinking especially God/end times/bible/do something for God anyone that can think deep or INFJ introvert etc here?

If the chatting goes on for too long, it can be unpleasant. It is hard to get beyond the superficial level with most people. It takes both people to have a certain level of curiosity, which is a rare thing. It can sometimes be stimulated with the right questions. Everybody’s favorite topic is themselves, but one can often make a bridge to other topics. Shared experiences often works, but it has to be defined in some detail that people can relate to themselves. I tried it once with ghosts on this forum, but it didn’t work. I thought everybody had ghost stories. Maybe you can come up with a more defined question to stimulate discussion.
I see you are messianic. It is something I`m very interested, unfortunately the nearest church of sorts is too far away currently. gotta wait til I drive . I`m very close in beliefs.
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I love deep thinking especially God/end times/bible/do something for God anyone that can think deep or INFJ introvert etc here?

If the chatting goes on for too long, it can be unpleasant. It is hard to get beyond the superficial level with most people. It takes both people to have a certain level of curiosity, which is a rare thing. It can sometimes be stimulated with the right questions. Everybody’s favorite topic is themselves, but one can often make a bridge to other topics. Shared experiences often works, but it has to be defined in some detail that people can relate to themselves. I tried it once with ghosts on this forum, but it didn’t work. I thought everybody had ghost stories. Maybe you can come up with a more defined question to stimulate discussion.
I see you are polish. I have here in Uk met many baltic people that were wonderful and very good people and good friends, and very logical and open. I love the way you people are. I am from sweden scandinavia but I live in Uk. So sorry for everything that is going on and the threats towards Poland these days. Please know, if you ever have need to run and need a place, I am here for you. all of you. In these times everyone needs to stick together. That is my mentality, especially brothers and sisters. you people are fierce and does not tolerate the evil. I like that.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

I'm sorry, but why should he be given a minute of silence in parliaments/congresses in EU? By the way, you worded that really badly, I have no actual clue as to what place exactly you mean. He's just a US political influencer, not even an elected person. He's not really known in the EU almost at all except for some pretty outrageous things he's said. So... Why?
I think from what I read it was something to do with a precedent that was set when the EU evidently did the same when George Floyd was killed. I think it was about recognising another tragic event that has rocked the world. Just like Floyd did.

I was just mentioning the level of reaction for something I thought was also a world event and a reasonable request. Also that the local house of reps also objected to the minute silence. Which I thought was also reasonable under the circumstances.

Not a good start to trying to mend differences. I would have thought as a gesture even if some don't agree to just respect the taking of an innocent life that has rocked the nation and world. It is a big talking point here in Australia. I don't think you realise how much what is happening in the US affects the world. Or at least the free nations who subscribe to similar politics, principles and philosophy.

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Christians - May I have your attention for a moment?

This is probably the funniest comment I’ve read in some time on the site. I doubt that anyone who‘s familiar with my posts would ever call me anticapitalist. If anything, they’d say my time in wealth management influenced my perspectives and provided the tools for entrepreneurship.

~bella
I am familiar with your posts. that is why I commented....
Your financial experience is neither here nor there concerning political ideas.
We have seen that with persons such as Charley Kirk. This anti capitolism "equality" is coming from those who are professors in finance. It really is neither here nor there.
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Proof that The Seven Trumpets and Seven Bowls of Revelation are Happening Concurrently

I made multiple rebuttals to your arguments and you responded to them in your reply. That's being said, I believe the reason why you said I "can't rebut" is because you're resorting to personal attacks. Did not The Lord call you to be better than this? I would appreciate it if you would not falsely condemn me.
Three is multiple, so if I have 20 points and you rebut three you dodged 17, you see how words can be manipulated friendo? If you are one of these types who cry personal attacks in each reply tell me now and I will just never reply to you again, better yet I will put you on ignore. Reckon Peter was attacked when Jesus said get the behind me Satan? Or did he understand Jesus was saying Satan is tricking you Peter. I will listen t anyone except someone who says I am getting attacked personally whenever they lose a debate. Don't go there its just weird for a Christian not to understand Swords sharpen Swords.

The Feast of Trumpets begins on the 1st of Tishrei (a.k.a. September 23rd) every year and it lasts for two days, effectively concluding at the end of the day on September 24th. Here is the source: Rosh Hashanah | Jewish Voice.

Contrary to your claim that you don't "pick out days," you are, in fact, saying that Jesus will return on either of these days in any given year!
No go find where I gave out a year? You can't, which means you are in error. Jesus will return one year, on the Feast of Trumps. The overall teaching YOU MISSED, or knowingly dodged. The Feasts must come in a CERTAIN ORDER, and the Church Age HARVEST is ended BEFORE the 70th week that was the point if its THS YEAR..........NEXYT YEAR, or in 20 years, it matters not, just that when the Church Age Harvest ends, that takes the Church out of the world and starts the 70th week that sees Israel ATONE or repent. Thus yiu did not answer this because you can't answer it.

First you say the final 1335 days correspond to when the two witnesses show up. You then say Elijah (a figure you proclaim to be one of the two witnesses) is sent back at the middle of the week (i.e., at the 1260 day mark) to turn Israel back to God. Then, you go on to say that same event happens just before the last 1290 days.

Nothing you said makes sense, and it goes to show that even you don't know what you're talking about!
The Two-witnesses are the 1335, they show up 1335 days before ALL THESE WONDERS END. Ever notice they die BEFORE the Beast dies? At the 2nd Woe while the Beast of course dies at the 7th Vial. Both have 1260 day Ordained by God offices right? So, if one comes on the scene at the 1260 in the middle of the 70th week and dies when Jesus returns on day 2520, BUT.........the Two-witnesses die BEFORE that, but both had 1260 day offices what should simple math tell us? The Two-witnesses have to show up before the soon to come Anti-Christ becomes The Beast at the 1260 (Dan. 12:7) which is 1260 days before ALL THESE WONDERS END (2nd Coming)

1335 = Two-witnessess who show up BEFORE the DOTL which starts 75 days later at the 1260

1290 = The False Prophet, a Jewish High Priest like unto Jason under Antiochus, he threw in with Antiochus, welcomed him into the temple of God to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus, then mandated that ALL Jews become Hellenized, leading unto the Maccabean Revolt. His real name was Yeshua. The False Prophet will thus throw in with the Anti-Christ (E.U. President) after Israel joins the E.U. and at the 1290, which is 1290 days before the 2nd coming ends all these wonders, and 45 days after the two-witnesses show up, he suddenly FORBIDS Jesus Worship in "HIS TEMPLE" (takes away THE REAL SACRIFICE) and places the AoD as Rev. 13 clearly says he does. This happens 30 days before the AC Conquers Israel to become the Beast.

The 1260 is the DOTL and its when God allows the AC to go forth Conquering. I confused no dates, you are just not hip to the numbers true meanings being that many days before Jesus ends ALL THESE WONDERS.

I think the problem here is that you view our discussion about the timing of the rapture as a "me vs. you" debate. When I offered Jesus' own words, and color-coded and cross-referenced related scripture, it wasn't me vs. you--it was you vs. Jesus! When Jesus says:
You do not understand the verses at all, Jesus was speaking in vs. 29 about the Asteroid Strike that brings the DARKNESS and in vs, 30 about his 2nd coming which is 1260 days later.

In modern English here is first 29

After the Asteroid strike it will bring TRIBULATION onto the world (DOTL) where the sun and moon is turned unto darkness.

Now verse 30

Then after all this I will return...................you totally miss ones about the DOTL's start, and the next verse is about his 2nd coming. I have been doing this as a calling forty plus years, with deep studies, these kind of mistakes should not be made.

, it means any other teaching that contradicts his word is wrong! I've already shown how Jesus words correspond to 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 in post #32. So this leaves little to the imagination as to how the rapture can be pre-tribulational!

When Jesus identifies the rapture as taking place after the tribulation, we don't get to view it any other way.
Here is what you did above............

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days... Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect..."

You are putting the two verses together, WRONGLY. They do not go together. Vs, 29 is about God's Wrath falling on mankind, it starts in Rev. 8 with an Asteroid Impact (Trumps 1-4) where the Sun & Moon goes Dark, then we still have THREE MORE WOES, the 1st Woe takes 5 months. Now lets divide the word properly without snipping off part of vs. 29 and joining the two verses.

Now here is the real passage
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days(When the DOTL starts the Sun and Moon will go dark because of al the Trees Burning) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken(Satan is cast to earth):

30 And then(1260 DAYS LATER.........after the First 4 Trump and AFTER the 3 Woes the first which lasts fir 5 Months) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

WATCH how Zech. 14:1-3 does the exact same thing.........you never rebutted or replied to this because it proves my point. DON'T DODGE THIS THIS TIME, come on now.

Zech. 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken(The AC and his minions conquer Israel BUT, he rules 1260 days right?), and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth(but only 1260 DAYS AFTER the Beast/AC conquers Israel), and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

I can not believe people do not understand Prophetic lingo has to have jumps in time like this.

You will find out soon you were in error brother. I have been a preacher 40 years, please do not ever say I am attacking you again in a debate, if you do I just will put you on ignore.

God Bless
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Erika Kirk Delivers Powerful National Address, Says Movement Will Not Die

Charlie Kirk didn't typically engage in actual dialog with people he disagreed with, more often than not he engaged in rhetorical tricks in an attempt to "own the libs". Actual dialog has to involve openness and humility, and Kirk rarely demonstrated that. What's worse, the media machine he operated often sought to reduce his interlocutors to spectacles to be used and consumed for political ideological purposes.
I completely disagree.
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Why are all these leading Democrats suddenly facing mortgage fraud charges? Trump's retribution guy at the Federal Housing Finance Agency

What is funny is that Bill Pulte's parents had two primary residences, though not since Pulte raised this accusation.
Bill Pulte, President Donald Trump’s appointee as director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency since 2020, has accused Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook of fraud, alleging that the former Michigan State professor improperly claimed her primary residence on two properties -- one in Ann Arbor and the other in Atlanta.​
Based on the allegations, Trump tried to fire Cook, hoping to have her removed from the board so he could push through lower interest rates. A federal judge has ruled that her removal is illegal.​
Interestingly, Reuters, citing public records, reports that Pulte's father, Mark Pulte, and stepmother, Julie Pulte, have done the same thing Cook is accused of. The Pulte parents have claimed primary residences in wealthy neighborhoods in both Michigan and Florida.....​
HIs parents may have to pay back taxes thanks to Pulte making his accusations against Cook, who clearly told bankers that the home in Florida is a vacation home.
That is as it should be. . .and I suspect Pulte would agree.
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Is belief/non-belief a morally culpable state?

There's the saying that wise men love instruction, but fools despise correction.
Like those fools named Galileo and Copernicus?

The ad populism fallacy is often invoked by those whose prejudices or emotions inhibit their ability to examine the evidence and use critical thinking.
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Former Pink Floyd member Roger Waters faces possible prosecution after supporting banned Palestine Action

There are 85 Sharia courts in the UK, even in areas of London. A poll has found that almost 40% of British Muslims think it would be desirable to implement Sharia Law within the next two decades. 50% of UK Muslims think homosexuality should be outlawed in the UK....
What legal power do Sharia courts have. Actually binding legal power?

I’ll save you the time and tell you: none. They are for religious people who want to follow their religious rules.

The same as Muslim sharia councils, Jewish beth din, and Roman Catholic ecclesiastical authorities have no standing outside of the Arbitration Act 2025.

So if you’re not of the specific faith they have zero influence in your life.
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