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Evolution conflict and division

The issue is, "how did that diversity come to be?".
Genetics has the answer. Common descent. And we know the method is accurate, because we can check it with organisms of known descent.
To forget implies that one previously possessed that which was forgotten. So, just how does God infuse a rational soul?
That is beyond science. If faith won't convince you of that, science can't help you.
Not at all. It serves as an attachment point for various muscles and ligaments and helps support the body when sitting.
What it doesn't do is communicate with others of our species, or provide balance when running. It is vestigial, no longer serving its former function. The muscles are also vestigial, pretty much locked into their positions. The coccygeus, for example, mainly supports other structures, but does not move them.
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School Teachers, Nurses, Government Workers, CELEBRATING Charlie Kirk's murder

Regardless of whether or not they were in the same league didn't seem to be relevant to the college kids. Many of the younger progressives reacted to their presence on campuses the same way.

And while Charlie had a specific 'gimmick' that he did on campuses, after going back and watching some of his content from the past view years, I don't think he gets enough credit for his being able to sit down and do a formal debate in structured setting and hold his own pretty well
Against my better judgement (because comments on his ability are simply personal opinions) I'll watch it later.
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Please can you pray that I get the job?

Hello friend,

Thank you so much for your prayers. I surely felt it yesterday! I have two weeks until I hear back.

My partner is not a Christian; she is an atheist/agnostic. I do plan to marry her. We have been together for almost four years now, and I don't see any love in me breaking her heart and leaving her now. I love her a lot, and as my dad would say, "You've made your bed, now lie in it".

God bless you and your family,
Luca
I pray then that your partner comes to know the LORD.

1Ti 4:12 ... be an example to the believers in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity.

I would encourage you to live pure in the relationship. God blesses faithfulness and answers us when we respect His words.

1Jn 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
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Trump says suspect in custody in killing of Charlie Kirk

Login to view embedded media Point out how you think Charlie who did not go to college came in a distant second in this debate with a college professor.
I'm not interested in playing Youtube ping pong. If you can't tell a good debater from a bad one then there ain't anything I could post that would change your mind. At least I know what your standards are.
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MS-13 Gang Member Kilmar Abrego Garcia to be Deported to African Country of Eswatini

Okay. You are right. It is obvious that Trump is a pedophile and secretly loves pedophiles and will circumvent the rule of law to defend pedophiles and rapists. He isn't deporting them, he is giving them refuge and asylum to specifically to deny justice for the victims. There is no other way to explain it. Are you happy now?
No, I'm far from being happy. You've just posted the most risible argument in this thread so far. IF Garcia was a paedophile then I'd expect him to be charged with it. You were told by Bondi that he was. And not an 'alleged' paedophile. And not 'allegedly' complicit in a woman's murder.

The question doesn't need to be asked because the answer should be obvious. But if she was telling you the truth then wouldn't you and everyone else expect him to be charged?

Nobody seems to be concerned. So what does that tell you about your AG?
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Trump says suspect in custody in killing of Charlie Kirk

Probably more than you. It was not worthy of the death penalty because he had the moral high ground. Debate is all about presenting facts to support your ideas, Charlie did that very well . Your opinion that many times he came in a distant second or was sticking it to them is a flawed biased opinion that shows if you really did watch some of his videos you really didn’t look at them objectively. That is my opinion!. I really would like to see at least one video where in your opinion Charlie came in a distant second, if there is one.
I've given an example where I am impressed by the debating skills of someone on the far right whose views I most definitely disagree with: Ben Shapiro. There are others. So it's not the fatuous case that 'This guy says something I don't like, therefore he's a bad debater'. Kirk said a lot of things I didn't like AND he was a bad debater.
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The Unprofitable Servant

Does not one meaning state no gain for self while another can mean useless to a movement? They need not correspond
Maybe the gift of the Holy Spirit is honesty?

Luke 11:13
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
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MS-13 Gang Member Kilmar Abrego Garcia to be Deported to African Country of Eswatini

I would send him to Guantanamo Bay while he awaits trial; and I would send him back there after he is convicted; but there isn't enough room there for the rest of them.
Gee, I thought it was going to be Africa. That that was punishment enough as far as you were concerned. That you were worried about how long this was going to take. And how much it was going to cost. Now it's off to a naval base, the upgrade of which is unlikely to take place and would if it did cost umpteen millions. Keep him tbere as long as it takes whatever the cost. And gosh, now you do want him charged for his crimes. Now you do want him punished for them should he be found guilty.

But hey, he's not going to be charged with paedophilia. He's not going to be charged with his complicity in a murder. This thread has been something of a joke and how your administration is handling this whole exercise could be described as a clown show. But that would be an insult to clowns.
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Feasts

Is it 'mandatory' to feast, or, if you don't feel like eating much, should you not? If you don't, are you failing to get into the spirit of the day and thus displeasing God?

No, if one does not have an appetite, eating might be inadvisable. Orthodox fasts frequently are more about abstaining from certain types of food and controlling when we eat, the goal being to tame the passion of gluttony. However people with digestive health problems are, on account of illness, not supposed to fast in a manner that would worsen their condition; I myself have been enjoined from fasting by my confessor for 10 out of my 11+ years with the church when my illness began to get quite bad; I probably should have fasted more in the years prior joining the Orthodox Church since I had historically been a glutton, but now I frequently am unable to eat and have other digestive problems, so that it can be very tricky getting food that will work onboard.

I know of an Orthodox priest who has an illness, where his bishop requires him to eat a full breakfast before serving the liturgy.

But there are other things one can do if one can’t fast, such as praying more; likewise a feast is a time to celebrate even if one’s digestive system is not entirely cooperative.
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Does God want men to choose easy options ?

Think about it how they have ruined earth in the past or behaviour earth is still standing.
very kind of you.
i happened to be depressive once, and it's precisely what i told to myself, contemplating life springing from nature, in spite of my morosity. Made me feel better then, considering life is stronger than death. Thank you again
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Why we Christians still have to struggle with sins?

Even after being born again, God doesn’t take away all of our sinful struggles right away. Instead, He walks with us through them. The Christian life is not about instant perfection but about growing closer to Christ day by day. Our battles with sin keep us humble, remind us of our need for His grace, and teach us to lean on His Spirit instead of our own strength.


God also uses the struggle to shape our hearts—building patience, compassion, and maturity. Every time we stumble and come back to Him, we experience His mercy in a deeper way. And while we may wrestle with sin now, the promise is that one day, when Christ returns, He will finish the work He started in us and we’ll be free from sin forever (Phil. 1:6).


So if you feel the tension inside yourself, you’re not alone—it’s a sign you belong to Him, that His Spirit is alive in you, and that He’s faithfully bringing you through the refining process toward glory. Below are my study notes.

  • Sanctification is a process, not an instant event.
    • Justification (being declared righteous in Christ) happens once, but sanctification (being made holy) is lifelong. Paul says, “work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you” (Phil 2:12–13). Struggle with sin is part of this refining process.
  • God uses struggle to grow us in dependence.
    • If sin vanished instantly, we’d be prone to pride or self-reliance. Ongoing weakness keeps us leaning on God’s grace (2 Cor 12:9).
  • The “old self” still lingers until glorification.
    • Believers are given new life, yet the flesh and its desires remain (Gal 5:16–17). The full removal of sin comes only when Christ returns and we are glorified.
  • Struggle produces perseverance and maturity.
    • James 1:2–4 teaches that trials—even inner ones—shape endurance and spiritual wholeness. Our battles with sin can deepen compassion and humility toward others.
  • Victory is real, but progressive.
    • The Spirit empowers us to resist and grow (Rom 8:13), yet the fight remains until the end. This tension keeps us awake and longing for Christ.
Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Not save from eternal life, but saved from the flood. This is why Jesus had to come. Paul says in Hebrews 9: 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 26 for then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus being baptize, you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again.

When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins). Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.(Gal 3:24)

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)
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The Law of God

Most of our present day Christian preachers teach against the Law, Prophets and most important Jesus Himself. By making statements such as, "we don't have to keep that old law its been nailed to the cross." These preachers use the books of Paul to make that statement. If that were true, that would mean no one would be able to sin. Why? Paul says in Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. In other words if there is no law there is no sin. Sin is not imputed or no blame can be accredited to any person when there is no law

Now, let’s see what Sin is according to the Bible in I John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So if the law was nailed to the cross that would mean its okay to use the Lords name in vain, put other gods before HIM, make graven images and bow before them, pollute the Sabbath day, steal, commit murder, commit adultery and bear false witness. If all these things are okay to commit, then we might as well throw the Bible out the back door and do what ever feels good to us.
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This is the scariest verse in the bible for believers

I’d also add, wearing a cross or attending church, while good things, do not in themselves mean someone is saved

That’s true, since one might be attending a heterodox church that makes use of the cross and someone might be a hypocrite. However challenging people who appear to be Christian as to the status of their faith by demanding to know “Are you saved?” is deeply offensive and is not compatible with the Golden Rule. It is also not a question that an individual believer who is faithful can necessarily answer. Metropolitan Kallistos Ware nonetheless did charitably indulge the strange woman who was accosting him on a train about his soteriological status with this lovely answer “Using the present tense, but using the continuous form of the present tense, I trust that I am being saved.”
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either


It seems this thread is moving slowly enough to tempt me into conversation.

Whatever solidarity his supporters may feel with the lamented Charlie Kirk, they will never be Charlie Kirk. None of them nor TPUSA are trained public speakers ready to take up his singular promotional style. Nor are his ad hoc positions, taken up and abandoned at his personal whim, a moveable feast set for successors to carry on.

Arguably, not even Charlie Kirk could be Charlie Kirk.

From the million students who famously never showed up for Trump 2020 to the 80 buses that were never needed to deliver the 350 students he recruited to support the "Civil War" he promoted for J6 when Trump lost. Kirk was a critic of college education who dropped out before attending a single class.

Silencing MLK didn't stop the Civil Rights Movement because it gained appeal with a majority of Americans.

Kirk's TPUSA has not gained appeal with even a majority of the college students who Kirk would know, if Kirk had actually attended college, actually set the tone and politics on campus for their professors, and not the other way around.

The Chicago Statement on Free Expression was created to preserve academic freedom under assault from a more liberal — some would say more coddled — student body, because that has always been the dominant force on campus.
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Trump says suspect in custody in killing of Charlie Kirk

I was specifically talking about an audience listening to a debate. Anything outside of that is taking what I said off on a non-sequitur tangent.
Does anyone remember Trump’s behavior or performance in the debates he participated in! It seemed to be more insults and condescending pejorative name calling than truth. And yet look who we awarded as victor.
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Evolution conflict and division

The issue is, "how did that diversity come to be?".
While we can never prove that anything isn't the result of some kind of miracle, we can ask whether what we observe is the sort of thing we expect to occur naturally, given the processes we know about. When it comes to genetic differences between species, what we observe is very much what we would expect if the differences were the result of random mutations. There are multiple lines of evidence leading to this conclusion; I've described one of them here: Testing Common Ancestry: It’s All About the Mutations - Article - BioLogos

The evolutionist's claim is that only mutation is un-directed; selection is directed (toward survival and reproduction), no? So in any hostile environment, for sentient animals the complex sense of sight provides an advantage for survival. But since "there are too many directions that selection can take", a gradual change evolution theory cannot explain the necessary complexity of an evolved functioning eye?
I'm not sure what you're asking. What I meant was, some other change might be more important than a slight improvement in eyesight for a particular species, and might take precedence, or some other change to the eye might be more important, or there might be some developmental constraint that makes a particular change to retinas be difficult to achieve. Organisms are too complex and their interaction with their environment far too complex for us to intelligently model the way a specific trait is going to evolve.
So, how many mutational routes are available? If the number of random mutational routes is not significantly smaller than the number of possible random mutations before selection weans them then I don't see much progress in the discussion on gradual evolution explaining the functioning eye.
Mutational routes to what? Again, I'm not sure what you're asking. To achieve a small change in some particular trait, there might be anywhere from zero to thousands of random mutations possible, while the total number of possible mutations is in the billions.
However, the evolution of a functioning eye via accumulated micro-evolutionary events needs evidence. The rate of change is not that evidence.
In the absence of any reason at all to think there's a limit to how much change can accumulate, yes, the rate is indeed evidence. If the question is whether I could have gotten here from a hundred miles away today by natural means, the fact that I'm in a car that routinely drives at 70 miles an hour is relevant information.
So, what is the bais for the claim that "all the evidence (observed effects) ... to date indicates that abstract thinking evolved"?
The evidence that abstract thinking, very much including language, is a product of brain activity, coupled with the evidence that our brains evolved.
What are life's characteristic manifestations? What are its chief forms? What is the inner nature of the source of vital activity?

Vegetation manifests the universal and basic phenomena of life: nutrition, growth, and decay. The second kind of life, the animal kingdom, adds sentience and locomotion The highest kind of life is mind or reason, exerting itself in thought or rational activity. This last properly belongs to man. The source of vitality in all creatures resides in its soul, its animating and harmonizing principle.
Restating an Aristotelean understanding of life doesn't answer my questions. How old are the Hawaiian Islands? Was life specially created there, or did it arrive from elsewhere?
Micro-evolution.
That's a heck of a lot of change for microevolution, including the kind of change that creationists insist is impossible.
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Does "equality" even matter to Jesus?

I'm sure that we're all called to be charitable, to care for the needs of others.

I'm using it in this context:

Luke 18:21-23​

King James Version​

21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.​

22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.

childeye 2 said:
To me he's describing what one must do to be the perfect servant, or in other words, perfectly selfless.
I never said we are not to be charitable. I am asking if every Christian is supposed to give up all as were those called to be his witnesses? There may come a time that we will be persecuted and this is upon us to do. Many people are being persecuted and being killed today in some places.
But again, in every instance are all supposed to not have any earthly goods?
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5 key findings from DOJ report on anti-Christian bias under Biden

It means nothing that you keep repeating that. Partisan courts making partisan decisions on command of a corrupt DoJ is not a surprise.
Sorry that you don't like facts. A partisan court has nothing to do with a guilty plea negotiated by the defendant and the court. It also has nothing to do with the jury's decision. The J6er' lawyers agreed to the jury selection.
There were, MAYBE, five people who actually committed a crime in all that went into the Capitol that day who were rightly tried and convicted, the rest were invited in as the video evidence shows and should have received nothing more than a warning instead of the years in jail that they spent on misdemeanor charges.
Almost all those arrested were not invited in. They forced their way in and videos confirm that. One door on the left side of the Capital building was opened by guards but only those that damaged offices were charged with crimes, from those.

There was video evidence of all those charged with crimes unless officers witnessed and arrested them on site.
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This is the scariest verse in the bible for believers

Scripture never presents evangelism as only an ‘inside the church’ matter

And neither do I. That said, the kind of outdoor preaching engaged in then is at present difficult to undertake except at organized events. St. Paul benefitted in Athens from the Aereopagus, a hill where people could present what they wanted, and there likewise exists a place in Hyde Park where people can stand on a soapbox and articulate whatever they wish (Muslims have been preaching there of late, among others, and evangelicals have tried counter-preaching, but the net effect is that the majority of people going to Hyde Park to recreate simply avoid that area like the plague).

They did not rely on architecture, icons, music, or ambience to bring people to Christ.

Actually, the oldest surviving church dates from 57 AD and is in Kerala, India, near the spot where St. Thomas the Apostle was martyred in that year. and we still have the Cenacle as well - admittedly it has been redecorated (it is now a monastery under the control of the Syriac Orthodox Church, dedicated to St. Mark the Evangelist, whose house contained the famed Upper Room). Until 2016 an ancient house church was among the archaeological discoveries at Dura Europos in Syria along with a synagogue; the house church had a sanctuary that was particularly splendid, and which featured iconography. Likewise the houses of that era were not commonly made of clay (you seem to be conflating the sophisticated Mediterranean civilization with the more primitive civilizations elsewhere, which some of the Apostles did reach, such as St. Andrew) rather constructed using bricks and stones on the lower level, with wood on the upper levels, while in Rome concrete was available and was used, and indeed the Roman concrete used in the Pantheon, now a Christian church, is among the finest concrete ever used, superior to most concrete used at present in quality. And regarding music, here again you are inaccurate, for the Jewish custom was always to sing the Psalms and prayers, and early Christian worship was taken from Jewish worship, and 100% of ancient liturgical rites sing or chant scripture rather than reading them in an ordinary voice. So basically your entire post is a string of unverified assumptions.

But what really matters is what is working, and what is working is the Orthodox approach. If your church was obtaining an 18% growth rate, per annum, we might want to adopt the methodology you propose. The problem is that you seem to regard ineffective methods of evangelism as a religious duty, which they are not - on the contrary, I would argue we have an obligation to not tarnish the image people have of the Christian faith by spending time annoying them, when we could be spending time loving our neighbors as ourselves, which is an activity that consistently wins people over to Christ and causes conversion, as the Salvation Army and the Anglo Catholics in London, who both made a commitment to care for the poor of the city, discovered (of course in their case it wasn’t so much conversion, but the rechurching of people who were baptized but who had become unchurched or secularized, and to a large extent in the Western World that remains our goal - to take those people who would be Christians had it not been for the devastation inflicted on Christianity by the conflict between liberal theology on the one hand and various non–traditional forms of more conservative theology on the other, such as premillenial dispensationalism and pentecostal worship, which were unknown (in their present form) prior to the 19th and 20th centuries, respectively, and the use by both groups of Christian Rock music and Praise and Worship music during worship services, something which has not occurred in the Orthodox churches because thankfully our church specifies the hymns for each service, which the Roman Catholic Church used to do at one time, but had already stopped by the time Pope Pius X wrote Tra le Solecetudini, a plea for his church to return to its traditional musical forms which unfortunately went unheeded by subsequent generations; they canonized him a saint and they allowed the use of electric guitars in the Mass, which are not consistent actions.

This daily surrender is a form of living martyrdom; faithful obedience in both deed and proclamation. Martyrdom may be rare in the ultimate sense, but daily obedience and boldly speaking the Gospel are expected of all believers. Fear is not an excuse to remain silent.

This is all true. Indeed, boldly speaking the Gospel is why I am posting in this thread, because I feel that a nominal presentation of the Gospel by laity not actively engaged in the continuous love of God through love of their neighbor as themselves is counterproductive. I am calling for more Christians to share the Gospel by serving others in their community - boldly displaying their Christianity while doing so and boldly declaring the Gospel imperative as the reason why they are helping others. A good example to follow would be the Roman Catholic charities connected with the Society of St. Vincent de Paul, or many others (indeed the Catholics have such good charitable operations as to be the envy of all Christendom).

The liberal mainline churches made the catastrophic mistake of allowing their charitable operations to become disconnected from their ecclesiastical identity, so that the association between the charity and the sponsoring church was only loosely defined; lately the trend has been for hospitals established by the Roman Catholic Church to de-emphasize their Roman Catholic identity, such as Catholic Healthcare West calling itself Dignity Healthcare, which is quite depressing. Indeed the hospital as we know it was invented by an Eastern Orthodox bishop, St. Basil of Caesarea, in the fourth century, who along with St. Nicholas of Myra is one of two figures who in the popular imagination has contributed to the identity of “Santa Claus” but the real bishops are much more interesting than the fictional character they collectively inspired.

However you seem to be projecting your fear of rejection onto me; I have no fear of speaking the Gospel to anyone, but God will hold me accountable if I alienate someone from the Church (especially given my current clerical status).

Two common forms of living martyrdom that go widely ignored are Holy Matrimony, where each spouse will sacrifice their own desires for the benefit of the other and their children, and the monastic life, which is a particularly bold way to proclaim the Gospel - indeed the contributions Orthodox monks have made to the growth of our church, which started to heat up during the previous decade, and which has become exponential since Covid.
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