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Illegal Immigration

If you can point out where in scripture Jesus Christ of Nazareth teaches us not to love the stranger then I'll reverse course
If you can point out where in scripture Yahshua teaches us that lawlessness is an act of love; then I'll reverse course
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Illegal Immigration

summary footnote:'If anyone brings a false gospel, they are to be accursed, as Paul emphatically states in Galatians 1, declaring that even if he or an angel from heaven preached a different gospel, they should be under God's curse. This severe warning underscores the critical importance of adhering to the true gospel of Christ, which Paul had originally preached to the Galatians. The term "accursed" (Greek: anathema) signifies being devoted to destruction and under God's judgment, a curse that applies to anyone who preaches a gospel contrary to the one received. Paul's warning is not limited to outsiders; it applies to anyone, including fellow apostles, who distort the gospel message."
If you can point out where in scripture Jesus Christ of Nazareth teaches us not to love the stranger then I'll reverse course.
That doesn't mean immigrants aren't welcomed here. of course all of them are,
Or not......
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Idolatry

I am currently reading through the first three centuries of church fathers and completed the majority. I will have the rest read before the end of the year, God willing.

And there seems to be a sin that is unanimously condemned by the early Christian writers - idolatry. And they define idolatry exactly how the second commandment describes it: you shall have no graven image, you shall not bow to them. So the making of something and venerating that created object.

Is this not a problem for certain churches who claim to be following apostolic teaching?
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What did they teach you in school , flat or round earth?

And not one mention of it turning or rotating around the sun, that's because it doesn't.

Joshua 10:13
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
The point of the post was to contradict your continued assertion that the earth doesn't move. Those scriptures shows that to be false. Based on your hyper-literalism way of interpreting scripture, you have a contradiction in your belief. So how do you resolve it? Or do you just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist so you can hang on to your belief?
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Happy to point out that Jesus Christ of Nazareth confirmed this in the new testament. Im affraid you're just not going to be able to get around it, " Love".

Matthew 25:35, 40:
"For I was a stranger and you welcomed me...Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me."
Quoting scripture to justify government policy presents several challenges. For example, if I initiate a discussion suggesting that same-sex marriage should be banned because the Bible describes homosexuality as an abomination, many Christians who identify as Democrats or liberals may raise concerns about the separation of church and state. Similarly, if I propose implementing school prayer, numerous Christians on the political left might argue that America is a secular society and that imposing Christian prayer on non-Christians is inappropriate.

Similarly, some evangelicals seek to ban abortion and gay marriage based on biblical principles. Yet, when discussing social welfare programs that help the needy—teachings reflected in the Sermon on the Mount—they often argue such biblical teachings should be practiced privately, not through government policy.

We tend to cite biblical teachings when they support our policies, but avoid them in government when they do not.
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Social media star 'The Food Nanny' revives heirloom recipes, ancient grains and sit-down dinners

One such food is Kamut flour, a variety of ancient wheat. Possibly used by ancient Egyptians, the grain was "rediscovered" and brought to America in the 20th century.

I’m very interested in trying the Kamut flour.
Interesting!
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How do we pronounce the Hebrew word shub?

I am new at learning Hebrew. I see the Hebrew word shub being used in relation to YHWH returning evil upon His enemies. Does shub rhyme with tub, tube or anything else please?

I always check the Dead Sea Scrolls first to see what is most reliable, if possible. But since they do not use vowels, is there any way to be pretty sure? Thanks.

Questions and Answers

Wow, he just doesn't get it.
What I 'get', is your agenda of having Jewish Israel on earth going thru tribulation, while you are raptured to heaven.
Sadly; this fanciful belief has no real scriptural support and cannot happen.

There is only one people of God, John 17:20-23, and during the end times, they are present in the Holy Land. Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-7
All the faithful believers from every tribe, race, nation and language. Rev 7:9
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Anyone ever read or attend lectures by Dr. Norm Finkelstein?

Even predicting larger effects in aggregate has left some economic experts stumped in trying to predict trends and impacts.


All of the big names have had their various "hits" and "misses"

EconomistNotable Incorrect PredictionsNotable Accurate Predictions
Thomas Sowell• Claimed raising minimum wage would always cause large-scale unemployment → multiple hikes (1990s, 2010s, recent state increases) showed smaller or negligible effects.• Predicted affirmative action would universally reduce minority graduation rates → evidence shows some mixed outcomes, but mostly positive.• Longstanding critique that rent control leads to housing shortages → widely validated by economic research and real-world cases (NYC, SF, Sweden).• Correctly emphasized trade-offs in welfare programs, predicting dependency traps in poorly designed systems.
Milton Friedman• Said floating exchange rates would naturally stabilize → in reality, they often swung wildly (1970s–80s volatility, emerging market crises).• Forecast that post-2008 QE would spark high inflation → inflation stayed historically low until the 2020s.• Predicted the Euro “would not survive” → it endured despite severe strains.• Warned in the 1960s–70s that ignoring inflation expectations would cause stagflation → validated by the 1970s crisis.• Advocated ending military conscription, predicting an all-volunteer force could work → U.S. abolished the draft in 1973, largely successful.• Accurately foresaw that steady inflation erodes savings and distorts investment decisions.
Paul Krugman• 1998: Predicted the internet’s economic impact would be minor, “like the fax machine” → spectacularly wrong.• 2016: Predicted Trump’s election would cause global markets to “never recover” → markets rallied strongly (until COVID).• Early 2010s: Said Eurozone was likely doomed → it survived.• Correctly predicted that Bush tax cuts + Iraq war spending would produce big deficits (early 2000s).• Warned in 2002–2006 of a U.S. housing bubble → vindicated by 2007–2008 crash.• In 2008, argued strongly for a large fiscal stimulus, predicting weak recovery if it was too small → U.S. stimulus was modest, and recovery was sluggish, fitting his forecast.


Plus, layoffs aren't the only alternative when forced to pay an unnaturally high wage. They can also raise prices. Before 2020 a fast food combo meal around here cost about $6. Today it's over $12.

Those aren't the kinds of anomalies and factors that economists are trying to nail down.

That's why applying the overly simplistic "widget factory" examples from econ classes never seems to be an accurate predictor in the real world.

Highlighted famously by Mr. Dangerfield's character in the movie "Back to School"
You're making my point. Economists aren't interested in individuals.
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Illegal Immigration

What is sooo wrong specifically?
Actually, there is not space enough here (it would fill dozens of books, eh? ) and probably against the rules to be more specific..... not that the rules are binding, no, but problematic and not worth getting into now that it has passed.
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Illegal Immigration

That doesn't answer my questions.

Your conflation of words does not constitute a confirmation.

Let's look at verse of your premise (specifically the word גר) in the Greek LXX:

Strong's Greek: 4339 προσήλυτος (proselutos) - proselyte

Strong's Definitions pros-ay'-loo-tos; from the alternate of (4334) (προσέρχομαι); an arriver from a foreign region, i.e. (special) an acceder (convert) to Judaism ("proselyte"): — proselyte.

Now let's look at the word in the verse that is being conflated with your premise.

ξενος G3581

So I ask again; do you understand what a גר is?

I ask again does Yah call us to follow the law?

(CLV) Hb 1:9
Thou lovest righteousness (kept THE LAW) and hatest injustice (disregard for THE LAW) ; Therefore Thou art anointed by The God, (tou theou) (YHWH), Thy God, with the oil of exultation beyond Thy partners."
If you can point out where in scripture Jesus Christ of Nazareth teaches us not to love the stranger then I'll reverse course. Because honestly, if you are folding this into Torah obedience you are missing a very important lesson here.
Thanks for sharing.
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Illegal Immigration

....And isn't God able to take care of the millions who came in illegally, presuming they are in real need, though some are criminals coming it, but isn't God able to meet their needs if they are legit right where they are or even in another country with less strict immigration laws?
Yes, yes He is. The US isn't the savior, only Jesus Christ is!
Is this a general principle: that God can meet everyone's needs, and so there's no need for people to step in to meet them?

I guess it means if you do help other people, it means youre lacking faith in the capacity for God to do it.
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How is it that the Catholic Church is evil?

Well, I would say that part is praise

But the praise aspect is directly from the Gospel of Luke, and is thus divinely inspired.

Also, all of the ancient liturgical churches along with Martin Luther and all Evangelical Catholic Lutherans and Anglo Catholic Anglicans, who as substantial parts of the third and fourth largest churches, outnumber several Protestant denominations, do ask for the intercession of the Theotokos.
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Surrounded On All Sides-Please Help

I agree. It can take time. I've not been involved in urban mission, as I've lived in fairly small towns for 30+ years, although I have talked to and prayed with homeless people. Where I live my immediate community consists mainly of people whose lives are reasonably okay, but they have little interest in God. I pray and invite them to church, social evenings, etc. but there's little response.Sometimes it takes time.
A major challenge with evangelism today is that most people have already heard the message "Jesus loves you" many times. After hearing this, they then think to themselves that if He loves me, then I must be a good person, and so therefore I will make it to heaven. To them, the Gospel seems unnecessary or even foolish because they have been told only part of the message.
Before sharing the Good News, people must first understand the bad news: they are sinners before a holy and righteous God who hates sin and will judge the world in righteousness. When someone truly sees their guilt and realises they are under God’s condemnation, then the Gospel becomes good news indeed.
Sadly, many have been dulled to the truth by repeatedly hearing only, “Jesus loves you,” without the Scriptures that also declare God’s hatred of sin and of those who persist in evil.
This is why we must follow the example of Jesus, Paul, and the disciples: use the Law to reveal sin. The Law shines a light onto our guilt and shows us we are not worthy. Some will resist, and even some Christians may dislike this approach, but others will see themselves rightly and realise their desperate need for a Saviour.
As has often been said, biblical evangelism is “Law to the proud, grace to the humble.” If someone comes broken over sin, confessing, “I’ve sinned against God. I’m an adulterer, a liar, what should I do?” then we give them grace and point them to the cross. But such humility is rare. For most, we must first use the Law to strip away their false sense of goodness.
Many think they will enter heaven because of their morality. Scripture warns that even at the Judgment, many people confess their own goodness. They must be shown that they have already broken God’s law, fallen short of His standards, and that “the wages of sin is death.”

John Wesley once wrote, “Preach 90 percent law and 10 percent grace.” That may sound extreme, but consider this:
A doctor faces a patient who appears healthy, young, strong, and outwardly fit. Yet the doctor knows from X-rays that the man has only two weeks to live. A cure is ready on the desk. Should the doctor immediately offer it? Of course, not; the patient would reject it, believing he has no need. Instead, the doctor wisely shows the X-rays, pointing out the deadly disease until the man feels the weight of his condition. Only then will he eagerly embrace the cure. Our disease is sin. The cure is Christ.
This is why preaching Christ without first exposing sin is meaningless to the lost. As Paul wrote, “the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing” (1 Cor 1:18). They need the Law first.
-“Through the law comes the knowledge of sin.” (Romans 3:20)
-“The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul…” (Psalm 19:7)
-“Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.” (Galatians 3:24)

Quotes:
  • “He who preaches the Gospel without preaching the Law of God may hold all the results of it in his hand and there will be little for him to hold.” Charles Spurgeon
  • “If you downplay the radical depravity of man, then you downplay the glory of the Gospel.” Paul Washer
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Trump says ending Ukraine-Russia war could help him get to Heaven

matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God”

I know you are not to take any verse alone, but how exactly should we take such a verse?
Do you think that verse applies to Trump?
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Illegal Immigration

If the reasoning is that God can care for immigrants in their home countries and therefore we should refrain from providing assistance, this logic could similarly be applied to other situations.

“feed the hungry, give water to thirsty, give shelter to stranger, clothed the naked, look after the sick, visit those who are in prison. (Matt 25) , take care the widow ( Acts 6), give justice to the weak and fatherless ( Psalm 82) take care immigrants ( Deut 10:19 / Psalm 146).

So we can keep all our wealth to ourselves and those who are poor, sick , needy, just tell them if there needs are legit , God will take care of them.
The Christianity that doesnt require anything of you is much more appealing to people.
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