Ora pro nobis

RileyG said:

Yup. Most of credibly accused priests are long dead or out of ministry.

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….and they ultimately answered to God for their crimes.

We warned by Our Lady of Fatima there would be “priests from hell.”

Hentenza said:

So you read a sentence in a book what is your expectation? Is it literal or not? Do you read the sentence literally?

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Sometimes I might have hope at least for truth, though rarely have expectations of truth.
Over 88 percent of all that is written is towards destruction, with evil as it's source, not from God.

There is a writing from 4th century bishop St. Basil on Social Justice. I have not read it but I probably should. St. Basil was significant in helping to make the Holy Spirit better known as One of the Trinity as revealed from the Bible.

Some info on St. Basil and Social Justice.



His writing on the Holy Spirit is recognized as worthwhile by Protestants as well as Orthodox & Catholics.

HARK! said:

Enforcing the law is not cruel. It's compassionate.

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Here are a couple of examples:

1. A person is here on a student visa and you want to deport him. You can tell him that his visa is being revoked and he needs to go home, or you can cancel his visa without telling him and arrest him for a criminal visa overstay. Which is more compassionate?
2. A person is here waiting for his asylum hearing. He thinks he is here legally, so when you notify him of a fake asylum hearing he shows up and you arrest him. Is that compassionate?

eclipsenow said:

Please don't be fooled.
He's laughing all the way to the bank.

Or is that the stock market when he does a famous 90 day pause on tariffs? I think Wall Street have TACO wrong. It's not that Trump always chickens out, but that Trump always cashes out. That is he talks down the stock market by talking up his tariffs and threatening the world, and then gets a bunch of mates to place bets for him as he suddenly and mysteriously announces a 90-day reprieve. There were as some fairly suspicious same day trades the one time he did that.

I'm amazed that any of his supporters actually think he might be interested in any form of religion other than worshipping his own magnificence.

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Hey hatred can blind people to the point of not seeing the truth. Im not saying it is true but it could be and would hate to judge someone’s walk with God.

Romans 13
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing.

He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.

Tinker Grey said:

Aesop's fables are fiction and they are "useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness".

Stories of all sorts teach us things.

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As I stated in my last post I am not going to discuss Bible apologetics here.

BeckyJ said:

As to the conditions, the ones Obama had people in in his detention centers in the top picture are worse than what the current administration has going...
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Trumps detention centers are empty? I’m not sure what you’re comparing here.

Tinker Grey said:

I don't think objective/subjective is a meaningful way to describe books.

Fiction, non-fiction, factual, allegorical, metaphorical seem reasonable to me. And as @BCP1928 said, if the book is unknown to me (that is, I didn't find it in a library already categorized for me), I don't know what it is until I read it.

As for fiction in the Bible, what are parables if not fiction? (I know there are some fringe people that think that the "sower" was actually some guy instead of a stand in for any agrarian, but really...)

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I am not going to cover Bible apologetics here. If you don’t like the terms objective and subjective you could substitute the terms with literal and non literal. The point is that anything that you read you start with reading each word literally and then interpret whether the sentence, paragraph, chapter, or book had a literal or non literal meaning.

web"Displaced immigrant"​

"The term "displaced immigrant" is not a standard legal or technical classification, as the concepts of "displacement" and "immigration" describe different motivations for moving. A displaced person is someone who has been forced to leave their home due to conflict, violence, persecution, or disaster, and this can occur either within their own country (internally displaced person, IDP) or across an international border. An immigrant, on the other hand, is someone who moves to a foreign country with the intention of settling there, typically for reasons like work, education, or family reunification, and not primarily because they are fleeing danger.
However, the term can be used to describe an individual who has been forcibly displaced and subsequently moves to another country to settle. This person might first be classified as an internally displaced person (IDP) if they remain within their home country, or as a refugee if they cross an international border and are recognized as such under international law. If they then decide to settle permanently in a new country, they may also be considered an immigrant. It is important to note that a displaced person who crosses an international border without permission or without applying for asylum may be considered an illegal immigrant."

DaisyDay said:

He was for a time with Joseph and Mary when they fled to Egypt.

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I doubt that they broke in illegally.

(CLV) Ro 13:1
Let every soul be subject to the superior authorities, for there is not authority except under God. Now those which are, have been set under God,

(CLV) Ro 13:2
so that he who is resisting an authority has withstood God's mandate. Now those who have withstood, will be getting judgment for themselves,

Hentenza said:

Because 2 Timothy 3: 16-17 would not make any sense if the Bible was fiction.

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Aesop's fables are fiction and they are "useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness".

Stories of all sorts teach us things.

The_Mantis said:

This is wonderful. I would be just as happy if any president in office makes this decision. It is the best thing possible for the country. I want a God fearing president. If he truly becomes Christian it will be interesting to watch him become humble haha.

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Please don't be fooled.
He's laughing all the way to the bank.

Or is that the stock market when he does a famous 90 day pause on tariffs? I think Wall Street have TACO wrong. It's not that Trump always chickens out, but that Trump always cashes out. That is he talks down the stock market by talking up his tariffs and threatening the world, and then gets a bunch of mates to place bets for him as he suddenly and mysteriously announces a 90-day reprieve. There were as some fairly suspicious same day trades the one time he did that.

I'm amazed that any of his supporters actually think he might be interested in any form of religion other than worshipping his own magnificence.

BeckyJ said:

And isn't God able to take care of the millions who came in illegally, presuming they are in real need, though some are criminals coming it, but isn't God able to meet their needs if they are legit right where they are or even in another country with less strict immigration laws?

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What is important ?
Certainly God sends the rain and the sunshine for the unrighteous as well as for the righteous - He is no respecter of persons (few realize this).
Yet the criminals , legal or illegal, and even non-criminals (in man's view), have been causing great destruction (in the whole world, not only in the usa). THe massive influx and increase in idolatry (sin) in the usa is what we in the usa have seen , whether we approve of idolatry or sin or not. No known way to stop it nor to reverse it, per se. (humanly speaking! ..... God certainly can answer prayers for help to save us from the sin and temptations)

BCP1928 said:

How do you know?

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Because 2 Timothy 3: 16-17 would not make any sense if the Bible was fiction.

BCP1928 said:

So do many people who have favored a non-literal interpretation over the last couple of thousand years.

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Yep which it why I qualified my statement with “in my opinion”.

BCP1928 said:

Correct.

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Yay!!!!

BCP1928 said:

Neither one. You have to read the book first.

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Not really. Do you read the words literally or not?

Hentenza said:

When you read a book, do you start with an objective or subjective understanding?

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I don't think objective/subjective is a meaningful way to describe books.

Fiction, non-fiction, factual, allegorical, metaphorical seem reasonable to me. And as @BCP1928 said, if the book is unknown to me (that is, I didn't find it in a library already categorized for me), I don't know what it is until I read it.

As for fiction in the Bible, what are parables if not fiction? (I know there are some fringe people that think that the "sower" was actually some guy instead of a stand in for any agrarian, but really...)

The Barbarian said:

If that was the case He would have said so. In that case He would have said the world was flooded, not just "land." There's no way to parse one's way out of accepting that God did not say the world was flooded.


Indeed. This is the kind of thing that we often see from KJV-only people. Neglecting what the words actually mean in Hebrew leads one astray.

You gave me your revision of His words. As you learned, God didn't say that the flood was worldwide. Instead of "the world" (tevel) He said "the land" (erets). You might not realize that "erets" means an area, like "erets Israel" (the land of Israel). But there it is. Instead of relying on your own wishes, why not just accept God's word?

Don't be a scoffer; listen to Him.

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I gave you "THE WORD" not my words....and just as you said the flood covered all "the land".

As you should know that if you say there was a world wide flood - you are obviously just referring to the land of the world flooding.

God in his wisdom said the Land was flooding....not the world as we would say.

So you are correct...Noahs flood only flooded "the land" of the earth.

Don't be crabby - be smart.

BeckyJ said:

"Biden was not letting people come in illegally."
Yes he did, by the millions.
Jesus Christ was not a displaced immigrant

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He was for a time with Joseph and Mary when they fled to Egypt.

Landon Caeli said:

They can no longer be considered Eastern after the diaspora. Now they're multicultural, just like the United States, made up of immigrants from over 100 countries.

...If any two countries in the world should be supporting Israel, it's the United States and the United Kingdom.

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The issue is not support, but uncritical support.

Welcome back!

PloverWing said:

A religion is a way of life. What distinction do you have in mind?

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God’s Will is we serve each other in need. Man’s will is we serve the religion, as the Sanhedrin also did

Welcome!