FaithT said:

I think you accused me of siding with Hamas or something too.

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I didn’t accuse you of anything. I responded to your post where you said that you used to believe Israel was the good guys but now you believe they are just as bad as the terrorists, and I demonstrated to you the difference between how Hamas works compared to how Israel responds. Then you responded to me that they are both in the wrong, to which I responded with how Israel has supported the people of Gaza for the almost 20 years since Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip since Hamas refused to. YOU then suggested Israel should just stop fighting and let Hamas fight on alone (like that is an answer to being invaded and attacked) and I posted a video of Hamas’s claims that their whole goal in attacking incessantly since they formed (in 1987) was to wipe Israel and all Jews off the face of the earth. Which you seem not to know, which validated the premise that most people don’t actually know what Hamas’s endgame is.

That was the sum total of my interaction with you. Hardly an attack. You are free to go back and read the interaction so you don’t have to make false accusations.

tharkun73 said:

Why did you leave this part out of your cut-copy-paste from Wikipedia?

Fake Tribute website and Flat Earth misappropriation​

In the years following Kaysing’s death, Italian conspiracist writer Albino Galuppini created the Bill Kaysing Tribute Website. This website was described as being “designed to pay tribute to a distinguished writer who lived his ideals and spoke his mind honestly and openly” and contained many personal photos provided by Kaysing’s relatives and tributes written by his followers. Including Bart Sibrel, David Percy and Jarrah White.

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Because Bart Sibral has already been covered.

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But from 2013 onward, Galuppini started publishing blog articles propagating false claims about the Earth being flat and all space travel being faked. Many of these articles misappropriated Kaysing’s moon hoax views to promote Galuppini’s Flat Earth claims. Despite Kaysing specifically theorizing that the astronauts orbited the Earth instead of going to the Moon, Galuppini falsely claimed that Kaysing denied any rocket could travel fast enough to get into orbit. This led to Kaysing’s relatives and followers publicly withdrawing their endorsement from the Bill Kaysing Tribute Website, severing their ties with Galuppini, and no longer allowing him permission to use their content.

Wendy Kaysing stated "I cannot imagine my father ever saying that we could not do space travel. That’s ludicrous! That’s ridiculous! […] Anybody who says that about my father is just trying to discredit my father’s ability to even think" and requested that Galuppini cease and desist the “sale of books, articles, or publication of websites, blogs or public messages” that use her father’s work. But Galuppini ignored her demands and continued the public façade of being a trusted friend of Kaysing’s family and supporters.[17][18] Jarrah White, a former contributor to the website, stated that Kaysing's legacy had essentially been "hijacked" and spoke harshly of Galuppini's Flat Earth nonsense and misappropriation in Popular Mechanics: "If you think the Earth is flat, then I don't consider you a serious researcher. I think you are a kindergarten dropout. Serious hoax researchers, they base their evidence on scientific and photographic anomalies and go where the evidence takes them. Flat-Earthers preemptively deny space travel in general because any photos of the Earth from space contradict their religion."[19]

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Because flat earth has nothing to do with this thread.

essentialsaltes said:

We're not talking about policy differences. We're talking about cooking the books and changing the assessment.

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Hate to tell you, but "book cooking" has been a thing for a looong time.. For a recent example, remember how the CDC initially panned the general use of face masks? It wasn't just because there wasn't a sufficient supply at that moment. The CDC initially pointed out that they had to be put on and off properly with clean hands and not fiddled with constantly, all of which had the potential of bringing contaminated hands to the eyes and nose. The initial assessment was that misapplication would increase the risk of infection. Remember what happened next? There was a huge outcry because the CDC didn't advise masking. What did the CDC do next? Reversed itself and recommended masking.

Do you remember how people actually masked? How many did you see who had their mouth covered but not their nose? How many did you see who's masks were gapped? How many did you see who constantly fiddled with them and even put them down on common surfaces? A contaminated mask put down on a table that more than one person used. Nice. In short, what the CDC first said would happen pretty much did.

You say the Trump administration is "cooking the books?" I say that's been standard operating procedure since before I was born. I'd be more shocked if that wasn't going on that if it is.

Bradskii said:

Are we still talking about Trump? And we have to go to outlandish lengths? Is this the guy who last week asked a man who has pleaded guilty to having sex with an underage girl to help with his Presidential Fitness Test for schoolkids? That Trump?

Lawrence Taylor, once arrested in Rockland on sex charge, now on Trump youth fitness panel

In 2010, a 16-year-old Bronx runaway reported she had been transported to a Rockland County hotel for sex with former NFL star Lawrence Taylor.

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And Trump seems to have made sure that Lawrence Taylor (for it was he) is up to speed on what he's exactly meant to be doing. Or not, as the case may be. As he said when he was asked why he was chosen:

'“I don’t know why, I don’t know what we are supposed to be doing..."

Impressive, eh? You must be so proud...

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Hopefully he gets replaced. I hadn’t seen this, not sure what the council on fitness would do except create gym programs to help kids get fit, but I’m sure it doesn’t involve child contact. I don’t recall Kennedy’s fitness program having contact with kids. But maybe he’ll be removed once the backlash hits.

pastorwaris said:

Dear Brother in Christ,
Thank you for your kind words. They truly mean a lot to me. Whether written by my own hand or aided by tools, I always seek to ensure that every word I share is prayerfully considered, rooted in Scripture, and intended to glorify our Lord Jesus Christ.

As for your question about the “obedient order” in church protocols yes, I deeply value the biblical order God has set for His Church. Paul reminds us in 1 Corinthians 14:40:

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“Let all things be done decently and in order.”

pastorwaris said:

To me, that means our worship, teaching, and fellowship should be led by the Spirit, guided by the Word, and marked by humility and reverence. I also believe true order in the Church flows not from rigid control but from a shared obedience to Christ as the Head of the body (Colossians 1:18).

I would love to hear more about the order and protocols you hold to, so we can rejoice together in the unity of the Spirit while learning from one another.

Blessings and peace to you,
Pastor Waris

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Absolutely and in our daily task coupled with His liberty, that first point exceeds my need to digest caution. Here, at the behest of Paul's authenticity (2 Corinthians 10:11), it is safe to place our feet squarely under a protocol of 'decency' for an assortment of things and to be found worthy to keep His blessing intact. For instance, we Pentecostals have flourished by liberty to such an extent, it served our numbers well to an extent, but I think it could be better if God were the results of increase when we distance ourselves from some elementary protocols, ''Do not lay hands on anyone hastily,'' (1 Timothy 5:22). Oh but how we ran from this, and for how long - Have mercy Lord!

How good and proper to enquire in a time as I outlined in my opening remarks on the SOF, when the peddlers of the word of God rush to reduce the HOF. It waxes our hearing over quickly. Blindness is soo strong on this, you could put it on life-sized signage to INCREASE the HOF by lessening the scrutinizing endlessly, the WOF, and it still garners a blank stare from them.

<--- Waiting for the goalposts to be moved again.

Faith "WORKS" through love. Gal. 5:6

So where we see LOVE, there is faith. Love shows there is faith there. Some people have various doctrines painted upon themselves, and are often the least loving, if any love at all. Is that faith? Nope.

Where there is NO LOVE, there is NO FAITH regardless of doctrines

Where there is LOVE there is faith, even without doctrines

These are intimately intertwined, faith and love. They do not exist, apart

Any thing that is not of faith is SIN, Romans 14:23

And we "all" sin, so there is that.

Sin does not defeat or eradicate love, nor does the existence of sin defeat love. The LIGHT shines from the DARK.

Not every single thing we do is out of love or faith. We probably sin more than we ever realize.

We do not become "sinless" by faith or by love.

195. Being simple





We are invited to let go of pride. The release that this will accomplish will allow us to use the gifts and charisms we receive from God for others.

God comforts us:

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and God of all encouragement, who encourages us in our every affliction, so that we may be able to encourage those who are in any affliction with the encouragement with which we ourselves are encouraged by God.” 2 Corinthians, chapter 1, verses 3 to 4



When there’s an opportunity to let Jesus take care of our distress, our fears, our sorrows, pride, God comforts us. Or rather, we discover that God comforts us, since we’ve surround ourselves again with his Heart.



The new American Bible, 2011-2014

Book: Here, where we are, Normand Thomas

Apple Sky said:

• NASA lacked the technical expertise to put a man on the Moon.[citation needed]
• the absence of stars in lunar surface photographs was indicative of a hoax.[5]
• there were unexplained optical anomalies in the photographs taken on the Moon.[6]
• there was an absence of blast craters beneath the Lunar Modules, and that the rocket engines of the Lunar Modules should have generated an enormous dust cloud near their landing sites during the final seconds of descent.[7]
• the death of Thomas Baron, a quality control and safety inspector for North American Aviation, was mysterious and indicative of a hoax.[citation needed]

He also noted that Dutch newspapers questioned the "authenticity" of the Moon landings.

Kaysing served as an officer in the US Navy during World War II, having attended Navy Officers Training School. In his book, Kaysing introduced arguments, that he believed, proved the Moon landings were faked.

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1) CItation needed - i.e. actual evidence to support such a claim. How would a Navy OTS without any apparent engineering education come to such a conclusion? This is one man's conjecture with nothing to back it up.
2) Debunked many times. Demonstrates complete misunderstanding of how photography works.
3) Debunked many times. No examples/evidence given of anomalies
4) Debunked many times. Watch the Apollo 11 landing, you can see the dust being kicked up in the final seconds.
5) Citation needed - i.e. actual evidence to support such a claim.

The farce of going it alone: how Abbas wants to bury the Oslo Accords.

Mahmoud Abbas wants to declare the "Palestinian Authority statehood" - single-handedly, without negotiations, without legitimacy. But what is being staged as a strategic liberation move could in reality be the last twitch of a failed project.

The "Palestinian Authority" ("PA") headquarters in Ramallah is currently undergoing feverish consultations. The 88-year-old President Mahmoud Abbas, known internationally as “Abu Mazen”, is considering a radical step: a unilateral proclamation of a "Palestinian" state without Israeli consent, without a bilateral agreement, without substantial control over the claimed territory. It would be a dramatic break with the spirit of the Oslo Accords, on which the "PA" was founded in the first place.

The plan: just in time for the UN General Assembly in September, the "PA" is to shed its previous identity as a purely administrative transitional construct and elevate itself to "independent statehood", by a mere declaration. No elections. No institutions. No territory with sovereign control. No peace treaty. Just a symbolic gesture with a potentially explosive effect.





According to a report by Israeli journalist Ehud Yaari (Channel 12), the planned declaration could also include the definition of "Palestinian state borders", probably based on the so-called "1967 border", i.e. the ceasefire lines before the Six-Day War. This would include East Jerusalem, the whole of Judea and Samaria (internationally known as the "West Bank") and the Gaza Strip, although in reality the "PA" only administers parts of zones A and B, i.e. less than 40% of the territory of Judea and Samaria. The Gaza Strip, on the other hand, has been controlled by Hamas since 2007, with which Abbas is in a deep power struggle.

So how exactly do you want to declare a state in an area that you don't actually control? What role do the 500,000 or so Jewish Israelis living in the areas that Abbas is now claiming as his future state play in this? These questions remain unanswered as does the realistic prospect of implementation.

The initiative from Ramallah is flanked by diplomatic movement in the West: countries such as Ireland, Norway, Spain and possibly soon France, Canada and Australia have signaled their willingness to diplomatically recognize "Palestinian statehood", regardless of the fact that no functioning community exists. Abbas' planned declaration is therefore intended to achieve one thing above all: to further increase international political pressure on Israel by suggesting a fait accompli that does not exist in reality.

At the same time, Abbas is attempting to distract attention from domestic political insignificance by staging statehood in the media. The "Palestinian" legislature de facto no longer exists. Elections were last held in 2006 under international pressure. Abbas' legitimacy has long since eroded. The president rules by decree and trust among his own people is at an all-time low. A survey from June 2025 shows: Over 70% of "Palestinians" are calling for his resignation.

In this vacuum, the call for "statehood" seems less like a departure and more like an act of desperation.

The unilateral declaration would mean a fundamental breach of the Oslo Accords, and therefore not only a diplomatic provocation, but also a legal challenge. After all, the existence of the "PA" is based entirely on these agreements. If Abbas now unilaterally renounces them, this would also mean that the legal basis for the "PA" as a legitimate actor would disappear, with unforeseeable consequences.

In such a case, Israel would have to reassess whether it is still obliged to cooperate with the "PA" at all, be it in civil matters, security issues or economic exchange. The international community, especially the donor states of the EU, would then also have to ask themselves: who exactly is receiving hundreds of millions of euros in aid money every year? An administration? Or a self-proclaimed "state" that knows neither elections nor separation of powers?

There is no currency, no functioning infrastructure, no rule of law, no independence from terrorist groups such as Hamas or Islamic Jihad. And yet this is exactly what a "state" is supposed to be?

Israel has repeatedly stated that a "Palestinian state" can only be created through direct negotiations, not through symbolic declarations or international solo efforts. This stance is not based on stubbornness, but on experience. The last few decades have shown this: Whenever symbolic victories were placed before real compromises, years of stagnation, violence and disappointment followed.

The "Palestinian" leadership has had countless opportunities, from Camp David 2000 to Olmert's offer in 2008 and the negotiations under Donald Trump. None of them were used. Instead, the focus now appears to be once again on confrontation rather than coexistence.
S.: haolam.de

SpaceX preparing for flight 10. Do they feel lucky?

Apple Sky said:

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That's Buzz Aldrin coming out of the LM not Neil Armstrong. This has been debunked numerous times.

Apple Sky said:

Bill Kaysing

He argued that one did not need an engineering or science degree to determine that a hoax was being perpetrated.

• NASA lacked the technical expertise to put a man on the Moon.[citation needed]
• the absence of stars in lunar surface photographs was indicative of a hoax.[5]
• there were unexplained optical anomalies in the photographs taken on the Moon.[6]
• there was an absence of blast craters beneath the Lunar Modules, and that the rocket engines of the Lunar Modules should have generated an enormous dust cloud near their landing sites during the final seconds of descent.[7]
• the death of Thomas Baron, a quality control and safety inspector for North American Aviation, was mysterious and indicative of a hoax.[citation needed]

He also noted that Dutch newspapers questioned the "authenticity" of the Moon landings.

Even after 55 years of grand human endeavour, to date, there are hundreds of pages and websites dedicated to reinforcing this idea that man has never stepped on the Moon. All can be traced back to Kaysing’s 1976 book, We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle.

The CIA made 3 attempts on Kaysing's life.

Kaysing served as an officer in the US Navy during World War II, having attended Navy Officers Training School. In his book, Kaysing introduced arguments, that he believed, proved the Moon landings were faked.

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Why did you leave this part out of your cut-copy-paste from Wikipedia?

Fake Tribute website and Flat Earth misappropriation​

In the years following Kaysing’s death, Italian conspiracist writer Albino Galuppini created the Bill Kaysing Tribute Website. This website was described as being “designed to pay tribute to a distinguished writer who lived his ideals and spoke his mind honestly and openly” and contained many personal photos provided by Kaysing’s relatives and tributes written by his followers. Including Bart Sibrel, David Percy and Jarrah White.

But from 2013 onward, Galuppini started publishing blog articles propagating false claims about the Earth being flat and all space travel being faked. Many of these articles misappropriated Kaysing’s moon hoax views to promote Galuppini’s Flat Earth claims. Despite Kaysing specifically theorizing that the astronauts orbited the Earth instead of going to the Moon, Galuppini falsely claimed that Kaysing denied any rocket could travel fast enough to get into orbit. This led to Kaysing’s relatives and followers publicly withdrawing their endorsement from the Bill Kaysing Tribute Website, severing their ties with Galuppini, and no longer allowing him permission to use their content.

Wendy Kaysing stated "I cannot imagine my father ever saying that we could not do space travel. That’s ludicrous! That’s ridiculous! […] Anybody who says that about my father is just trying to discredit my father’s ability to even think" and requested that Galuppini cease and desist the “sale of books, articles, or publication of websites, blogs or public messages” that use her father’s work. But Galuppini ignored her demands and continued the public façade of being a trusted friend of Kaysing’s family and supporters.[17][18] Jarrah White, a former contributor to the website, stated that Kaysing's legacy had essentially been "hijacked" and spoke harshly of Galuppini's Flat Earth nonsense and misappropriation in Popular Mechanics: "If you think the Earth is flat, then I don't consider you a serious researcher. I think you are a kindergarten dropout. Serious hoax researchers, they base their evidence on scientific and photographic anomalies and go where the evidence takes them. Flat-Earthers preemptively deny space travel in general because any photos of the Earth from space contradict their religion."[19]

Skipper80 said:

Should Christians condemn people to Hell?

After answering, explain why

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Never. And Yes.

In scripture there is no such creature as a sole individual. There is the person, and there is the tempter or his own within all of us.

So, both never and yes are both completely TRUE and ACCURATE

One will be saved

One won't be saved

Who is who should be clear enough

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

You're sadly not wrong on that front.

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I am however wrong in my spelling of indictment! Proof of my original statement.

From the Mercury program none of the original seven are alive. Only Buzz Aldrin and Dave Scott remain alive from Gemini, both also participating in Apollo. There are four futher Apollo astronauts still living: Russell “Rusty” Schweickart (Apollo 9), Fred Haise (Apollo 13), Charles Duke (Apollo 16), Harrison Schmitt (Apollo 17).

Harrison Schmitt was the first, last and only geologist to land on the moon. Aldrin, Duke and Schmitt are the only surving moon walkers.

Unknown_Source said:

I'm not sure where to post this thread in. I didn't see anything about prophecy. But I was wondering, what happens after the third temple? Has it been built already?

Can someone please send me a list of all prophecy that has been completed and still yet to be completed, please? (With where to find it in scripture.)

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IF you find yourself troubled by that information, there are more important things to concern yourself with before trying to tackle end time prophecy.

By way of thumbnail summaries, there were 3 temples in the O.T. All have passed.

There are 3 different temples in the N.T. 1 has passed. We are in the 2nd temple segment, which will also pass and is quite far along in the process of passing as we speak.

And there will be a 6th temple, technically speaking

And there will be a Seventh, 1 Cor. 15:28, The Perfect Temple

“Ever heard of Dresden?”

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Mike Huckabee, US ambassador to Israel, has sharply attacked British Prime Minister Keir Starmer and pointed out a historical parallel that hardly anyone in London likes to hear. It's about Gaza, hypocrisy and the question of who is allowed to give moral lessons to whom.

Israel's new plans for a permanent military presence in the Gaza Strip are meeting with vociferous opposition in European capitals. Starmer declared on Friday that the expansion of operations would

“do nothing to end this conflict”,

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but would only lead to

“more bloodshed on both sides”.

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Instead, what is needed is an immediate ceasefire, more humanitarian aid, the release of all hostages kidnapped by Hamas and a

“negotiated solution”.

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Huckabee reacted indignantly and without diplomatic absorbent cotton

"So Israel should capitulate and feed Hamas while Israeli hostages are starved? Has the UK sent food to the Nazis? Ever heard of Dresden, Prime Minister Starmer? You weren't dropping food parcels then. If you had been Prime Minister then, the UK would be speaking German today!"

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The ambassador was alluding to the devastating US and British air raids on Dresden in February 1945, in which almost seven kilometers of the city were reduced to rubble and at least 25,000 people died. For Huckabee, the historical comparison is clear: those at war against a criminal ideology cannot save themselves through euphonious appeals and moral self-aggrandizement; especially not when hostages are in the hands of a terrorist organization.

But Huckabee did not stop at the history lesson. He publicly asked Starmer how much food Britain had actually delivered to Gaza. "Prime Minister Netanyahu has already brought two million tons into Gaza, and none of it reaches the hostages. Perhaps the British PM would do better to stay out of this and follow the Arab League, which has called on Hamas to immediately release all hostages and lay down their arms."

Huckabee's outburst comes at a time when the diplomatic front against Israel appears to be hardening. In addition to London, other European states have also criticized Israel's plans; above all Germany. German Chancellor Friedrich Merz announced that all arms deliveries to Israel would be stopped for the time being. In the Israeli government, this is seen as a dangerous signal: anyone who drops Jerusalem in a decisive phase is not strengthening peace, but those who reject every rule of peace.

The core of the dispute is age-old: Is a democratic state that is attacked by terror allowed to use military means even if the images of it provoke outrage abroad? For Huckabee, the answer is clear, and the memory of Dresden should make it clear that Western democracies have also made decisions in their history that went far beyond

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While debates about Israel's actions rage in Europe and parts of the Arab world, the reality for the people of Israel remains brutally simple: Hamas is still holding hostages, using aid for its own fighters and rejecting any serious peace solution. Anyone who urges an immediate ceasefire in this situation without simultaneously demanding the complete disarmament of Hamas may sound moral; in fact, it is an invitation to the terrorists to continue.
S.: haolam.de

Ophiolite said:

As referenced in your link, it has been my experience that many humans can't pass the Turing test. A sad indighment of what passes for intelligence and reasoning in Homo sapiens!

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You're sadly not wrong on that front.