Israel is losing Americans (support)

[kinshasa19]

I am astounded by some of the comments by 'discerning' christians who support Israel's murderous slaughter of children, women and innocent men. I have never visited USA, but I have heard of your deluded zeal for the state of Israel.
Satan will tell you 10 facts, and 9 of them will be true. Let me tell you a secret, the true nation of Israel is not in the middle east, and Izra el are not God's chosen people. They are deluded.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
Isaiah 66:4

 

[bèlla]

There’s a significant shift underway concerning Israel globally and Americans have followed suit. In response, Netanyahu undertook a campaign to repair the damage by hiring social media influencers who produce pro-Israeli content. You can hear an overview of what occurred below and direct remarks from him in the second piece. He mentions the purchase of Tik-Tok as well.

The second video is a clip of Debra Lea who attended the event and addresses him directly. The original was posted her feed and proceeded with the following headline:

I had the honor of asking Bibi Netanyahu about Charlie Kirk’s assassination & the potential loss of evangelical support for the state of Israel.

~bella

 

[Vambram]

Trump and Netanyahu Say Hamas Has Agreed to Release Hostages

President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu say Israel and Hamas have agreed to the "first phase" of T

cbn.com

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

I am astounded by some of the comments by 'discerning' christians who support Israel's murderous slaughter of children, women and innocent men. I have never visited USA, but I have heard of your deluded zeal for the state of Israel.
Satan will tell you 10 facts, and 9 of them will be true. Let me tell you a secret, the true nation of Israel is not in the middle east, and Izra el are not God's chosen people. They are deluded.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
Isaiah 66:4

Residing in the United States or any other country does not alter what the Bible states regarding the nation of Israel. Scripture states that descendants of Abraham are God's chosen people, no matter where they live—whether in the UK, USA, or Ramallah.

Prophet Elijah had similar questions about Israel as many Christians have today. Some Christians observe that the actions of Israel differ from the teachings of Christ, which emphasize mercy and compassion.

1 King 19:10

“He said, “I have been very jealous for the Lord, the God of hosts. For the people of Israel have forsaken your covenant, thrown down your altars, and killed your prophets with the sword, and I, even I only, am left, and they seek my life, to take it away.”

And the God answer back to Elijah

“Yet I will leave seven thousand in Israel, all the knees that have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that has not kissed him.””


In the book of Romans, Paul elaborates the same event

Romans 11:1-6 “ I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.”.


My question to you is this: If God is eager to forgive the transgressions of His chosen nation and people despite their actions, what reason do you have to accuse them?

 

[mark46]

I guess that it is the wrong time to congratulate Trump, Qatar, Egypt and Turkey.

I would note that for the last two years, the Arab states have celebrated the demise of the terrorists in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, and Gaza (and celebrated the bombing of Iran).

By this time next year, Israel will have completed the Abrahma Accords and signed an agreement with Saudia Arabia.
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And I pray that we will have a new Israeli government that will fully withdraw from the West Bank and allow peace within Palestine (Gaza and the West Bank). Never have the Arab states been so united in a cause, except when they have opposed Shiite terrorists.

 

[ralliann]

I am astounded by some of the comments by 'discerning' christians who support Israel's murderous slaughter of children, women and innocent men. I have never visited USA, but I have heard of your deluded zeal for the state of Israel.

Astounding Christians would accuse them of this and not Hamas.

Satan will tell you 10 facts, and 9 of them will be true. Let me tell you a secret, the true nation of Israel is not in the middle east, and Izra el are not God's chosen people. They are deluded.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
Isaiah 66:4

And this.

 

[ralliann]

I guess that it is the wrong time to congratulate Trump, Qatar, Egypt and Turkey.

I would note that for the last two years, the Arab states have celebrated the demise of the terrorists in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, and Gaza (and celebrated the bombing of Iran).

By this time next year, Israel will have completed the Abrahma Accords and signed an agreement with Saudia Arabia.
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And I pray that we will have a new Israeli government that will fully withdraw from the West Bank and allow peace within Palestine (Gaza and the West Bank). Never have the Arab states been so united in a cause, except when they have opposed Shiite terrorists.

Where have you been? Peace has been sought for many, many years. Still they wanted Israel gone..

 

[mark46]

Where have you been? Peace has been sought for many, many years. Still they wanted Israel gone..

I agree.

Let us be clear. No one supports Hamas except for terrorists, Iran, American lefties and some European lefties.

There can be no peace with Hamas with any power or as part f the government. FULL STOP
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And very few support Israeli tactics in Gaza and the West Bank. No one supports the continued Israeli occupation of Gaza.
Trump has tried to broker peace for many months. He finally was moved to immediate action when Irael attacked Qatar.

Trump made Israel apologize and Trump promised to defend Qatar and take whatever action is necessary if they are attacked again.
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[FAITH-IN-HIM]

I agree.

Let us be clear. No one supports Hamas except for terrorists, Iran, American lefties and some European lefties.

There can be no peace with Hamas with any power or as part f the government. FULL STOP
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And very few support Israeli tactics in Gaza and the West Bank. No one supports the continued Israeli occupation of Gaza.
Trump has tried to broker peace for many months. He finally was moved to immediate action when Irael attacked Qatar.

Trump made Israel apologize and Trump promised to defend Qatar and take whatever action is necessary if they are attacked again.
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I support President Trump's efforts regarding the peace deal and the 20-step plan.

However, I will observe the process with skepticism. The initial phase of exchanging of hostage/ prisoners and the withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza will demonstrates goodwill, but the subsequent steps will be more challenging, particularly when it comes to Hamas surrendering and transferring authority to an international governing body.

I am highly doubtful that Hamas will ultimately capitulate.

 

[mark46]

I am highly doubtful that Hamas will ultimately capitulate.

Of course, Hamas will ULTIMATELY capitulate. The US, Egypt, Qatar, Turkey and the UAE will have boots on the ground to monitor and make sure. If it takes some time, that is NOT a major problem for me.

The deal is signed. The Arab signatories are ready to be the security force.
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There is a long way to go to complete the 20-point plan. I suspect that this will wait for a new Israeli government in the Spring. The sticking point is NOT Gaza. It is getting Israel to withdraw from the West Bank. It seems the settlers will stay, if they wish, under an Arab government and under Arab security. That will take a new government. That's OK if Israel can be pressured to stop its support of settler violence.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Of course, Hamas will ULTIMATELY capitulate. The US, Egypt, Qatar, Turkey and the UAE will have boots on the ground to monitor and make sure. If it takes some time, that is NOT a major problem for me.

The deal is signed. The Arab signatories are ready to be the security force.
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There is a long way to go to complete the 20-point plan. I suspect that this will wait for a new Israeli government in the Spring. The sticking point is NOT Gaza. It is getting Israel to withdraw from the West Bank. It seems the settlers will stay, if they wish, under an Arab government and under Arab security. That will take a new government. That's OK if Israel can be pressured to stop its support of settler violence.

Despite boots on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan, nothing changed.

Those willing to blow themselves on the street so they can kill as many as innocent lives as they can for their freedom or objective cannot be defeated by force without losses on both sides. There is an assumption among some that the presence of US, Arab, and other international troops will prompt Hamas to surrender quality. Historical precedent suggests that such situations often devolve into prolonged urban conflict, resulting in substantial loss of life among both civilians and military personnel.

I support President Trump’s peace deal and the 20 steps, but let’s wait a few months to see how things unfold. I wouldn’t celebrate yet just because multiple countries have signed a peace agreement.

 

[stevevw]

I was watching a doco on Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of Hassan Yousef, a co-founder of the Palestinian Islamist organisation Hamas. He is a very wise man and draws on vast real life experiences on both sides. He was actually a Palestinian militant before seeking refuge in Isreal. He knows Hamas and the Palestinian mindset. Or the brainwashed mindset that has been imposed on them.

But he mentions something very simple and real about how Isreal and the US should be allies on this conflict. Mosab reminds us that many Palestinians were celebrating with Bin Laden and other radical Islamist over 9/11.

October the 7th was Isreals 9/11. Both were attacks on our way of life. Both were motivated by a radical idology that wants a Jihad. They want to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth and by extention westerners like the US. They hate us and want us either dead or as slaves to their God.

They deny womens rights and people forget that these radicals were attacking the western nations before the latest attack on Isreal. The same thing. They came unannounced blowing innocent people to bits, raping women, running people down with trucks, slitting their throats in the streets, blowing up discos, attacking the Olympic games and other public events. Do I need to go on.

That is why the US should side with Isreal and any other nation who believes in the freedoms and rights to be able to live by your own conscience, practice your beliefs, speak freely without being killed for it.

In fact in some ways the radicals are winning because many are starting to think the same. Siding with radicals and now believing violence and intimidation of Jews and even Christians is ok. Or just plain death silence on condemning this evil.

 

[mark46]

That is why the US should side with Isreal and any other nation who believes in the freedoms and rights to be able to live by your own conscience, practice your beliefs, speak freely without being killed for it.

THE LIST
of Middle Eastern countries other than Israel believes in the freedoms and rights to be able to live by your own conscience, practice your beliefs, speak freely without being killed (or jailed) for it.
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THERE ARE NONE
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Jordan is close.

The rest all backed and funded Shia or Sunni terrorists and have attempted to destroy the state of Israel.

That being said, thanks to Trump these states are now willing to fight terrorists (or watch Israel do so) and make peace with Israel. Note, that Egypt was already at peace with Israel (thanks to Jimmy Carter).

 

[stevevw]

THE LIST
of Middle Eastern countries other than Israel believes in the freedoms and rights to be able to live by your own conscience, practice your beliefs, speak freely without being killed (or jailed) for it.
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THERE ARE NONE
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Jordan is close.

The rest all backed and funded Shia or Sunni terrorists and have attempted to destroy the state of Israel.

That being said, thanks to Trump these states are now willing to fight terrorists (or watch Israel do so) and make peace with Israel. Note, that Egypt was already at peace with Israel (thanks to Jimmy Carter).

Yes I think this is the way forward. To get other middle eastern nations to accept Isreals right to exist. Really its a simple request and one the west has longed support. Under the United Nations after the horrors of WW2 we realised this fundemental God given right when we created the Human Rights Declarations.

But for some reason people are forgetting this truth due to political ideologies that are full of hate for certain peoples.

And make no mistke the exact same hate that Islamists have for Isreal they also have for the west, for Christians. If Isreal was wiped out they would be coming for us next. They were targetting us before Covid and people forget.

But now on the other side of Covid we are seeing the same hate and division come into western nations who are even siding with radicals rather and rejecting this fundemental right and truth.

That means we are breaking down morally. We have lost our moral compass and rather than the free nations who once stood on these truths making the world a better place. We are seeing the Islamist and radical ideology spread throughout the world.

Not just in a one off nation like the Nazis or Islamist nations that were far away. But in every nation just about. All the so called free nations. This is not good. We are more or less seeing the downfall of the west and if not the world.

 

[bèlla]

But for some reason people are forgetting this truth due to political ideologies that are full of hate for certain peoples.

Most of the people protesting the war are doing so because of the level of killing and hardships palestinians are experiencing. Religious belief doesn’t alter that nor is it necessary to prefer one over the other but to address it as the Lord would. The absence of which has contributed to the problem as has our position in the conflict through the provision of weapons and resources and a level of influence over our government many find disconcerting.

You may not agree with their position and they’re unlikely to find yours to their taste. But it doesn’t make them hateful anymore than one could make a similar charge to you in light of your beliefs. I can’t say for certain if this is the issue that will divide us. But it’s certainly one that’s emboldened many to raise concerns and address subjects previously untouched.

We’ll see how it ends.

~bella

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Most of the people protesting the war are doing so because of the level of killing and hardships palestinians are experiencing. Religious belief doesn’t alter that nor is it necessary to prefer one over the other but to address it as the Lord would. The absence of which has contributed to the problem as has our position in the conflict through the provision of weapons and resources and a level of influence over our government many find disconcerting.

You may not agree with their position and they’re unlikely to find yours to their taste. But it doesn’t make them hateful anymore than one could make a similar charge to you in light of your beliefs. I can’t say for certain if this is the issue that will divide us. But it’s certainly one that’s emboldened many to raise concerns and address subjects previously untouched.

We’ll see how it ends.

~bella

Are you aware of the potential consequences for Israel should the United States withdraw its support? Every Arab nation will unite to oppose Israel and work toward its elimination.

Many protesters lack understanding of Middle Eastern politics, culture, or perspectives; they often react to news reports of devastation and join protests without deeper insight.

Eliminating Jews is part of their religious teaching. This perspective is not based on negative feelings or opinions about Israel’s actions, but stems from the religious belief that Isreal should be eliminated.

 

[bèlla]

Are you aware of the potential consequences for Israel should the United States withdraw its support? Every Arab nation will unite to oppose Israel and work toward its elimination.

I’m not ignorant of middle eastern politics and as a former practicing jew I’m probably more conversant in their position than you’d assume. Nevertheless, that doesn’t mean I must agree with or support Israel’s behavior and zionism is a subject well contested in jewish circles.

Many protesters lack understanding of Middle Eastern politics, culture, or perspectives; they often react to news reports of devastation and join protests without deeper insight.

That isn’t for you or anyone else to decide. You have your position on the subject and they’re entitled to theirs. And from what I’ve observed the same holds true in this medium as well. The majority don’t support the war or what occurred nor the attempts to silence dissenters.

~bella

 

[durangodawood]

Are you aware of the potential consequences for Israel should the United States withdraw its support? Every Arab nation will unite to oppose Israel and work toward its elimination......

I think Israel abuses this position to count on USA support no matter what they do.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

I think Israel abuses this position to count on USA support no matter what they do.

Israel needs a better spokesperson. Although Bibi N is an effective politician, his arrogant communication style appeals only to right-wing supporters and fails to reach a broader global audience.

Israel has many moderate and liberal parties, which has allowed Likud to maintain control since 2000. The country could benefit from leadership similar to Ehud Barak or Yitzhak Rabin.

 

[mark46]

Israel needs a better spokesperson. Although Bibi N is an effective politician, his arrogant communication style appeals only to right-wing supporters and fails to reach a broader global audience.

Israel has many moderate and liberal parties, which has allowed Likud to maintain control since 2000. The country could benefit from leadership similar to Ehud Barak or Yitzhak Rabin.

And Israel could benefit from having policy positions similar to Barak and Rabin.
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an effective politician?

The only way he could stay out of jail was to continue to escalate wars with his neighbors.

But, yes, I do support his many attacks on the various Shiite terrorists. That being said, his policies in Gaza and the West Bank are truly horrible, especially in the West Bank.