durangodawood said:

Its a huge market that we've now lost, probably long term as theyve gone and found providers elsewhere.

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Say it aint so said:

Free trade is a misnomer to me. There has never been absolute free trade. Trade agreements always came with tariff schedules when enacted between countries. I think protectionism has it's place. Biden placed a 100 percent tariff on Chinese EVs simply because it would have killed the US EV market. Canada had dairy agreement where once the US bought a given amount, a 100 percent tariff kicked in. They did it to protect their dairy market.

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johansen said:

But you seem to believe it yourself. Thinking that the goats go back to the father

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Pepperdoodle said:

I rarely agree with the Left leaning.
I sometimes agree with the Right leaning.

I agree with what Hillary says here...

117K views · 4.8K reactions | Democrats had no issue with her saying this not too long ago | Damani Bryant Felder

Democrats had no issue with her saying this not too long ago.

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rambot said:

You need to calm down here poster.

I asked a simple question, trying to fish out some FACTS about the situation and you jump on me for some unknown reason!

Do you have a link to support what you're saying here?

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rambot said:

Yes but you CANNOT dissolve your governing parties of responsibility and having a conversation around the FACTS of this situation clarify who is contributing what to the current situation.

So it looks like Dems want more spending on Healthcare and REpublicans are refusing that.

Seems pretty simple.

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rambot said:

So it looks like Dems want more spending on Healthcare and REpublicans are refusing that.

Seems pretty simple.

Is if fanning the flames to make that statement?

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Chesterton said:

You can start a thread about that here: Conspiracy Theories

Hegseth's speech was excellent.

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Amo2 said:

Accused rapist, likely by the woman doing the accusing, as no one else would think she was raped unless they saw the event. And even if they did, if she did not cry out and or fight the accused rapist, why would they think she was raped? So we are likely talking about an unwitnessed crime, therefore it being unknown if the rape claim is true or false. All we have is the word of the accuser, against the accused, or the word of the accused against the accuser. Very difficult situation. Kind of sounds like, oh I don't know, innocent until proved guilty. With one difference, God considers either raping someone, or lying about someone raping another to be worthy of death. I tend to agree. As either or, could easily mean the death of the accused rapist, as vengeance by family members of the alleged victim. An event far more common at that time, than now. So God makes the situation one of life or death for both parties involved, that neither would take such evil acts lightly, in order to prevent either from happening.

If someone raped my wife or daughter, I would kill them. Nothing but the grace of God could our would stop me from doing so. I respect the police and laws of the land, but some things upon which I strongly disagree concerning far to slack punishment from the government, I would take into my own hands. But for the grace of God perhaps, I do not know. I do know and believe for certain, that rapists today get off way to easy, as do those who commit many other crimes as well. God Himself comes down hard on rapists or false accusers of rape, I agree with Him, that such extremely offensive acts should be dealt with extremely as well.

Gen 34:1 And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land. 2 And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her. 3 And his soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spake kindly unto the damsel. 34 And Shechem spake unto his father Hamor, saying, Get me this damsel to wife........................................................................
24 And unto Hamor and unto Shechem his son hearkened all that went out of the gate of his city; and every male was circumcised, all that went out of the gate of his city. 25 And it came to pass on the third day, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males. 26 And they slew Hamor and Shechem his son with the edge of the sword, and took Dinah out of Shechem's house, and went out. 27 The sons of Jacob came upon the slain, and spoiled the city, because they had defiled their sister. 28 They took their sheep, and their oxen, and their asses, and that which was in the city, and that which was in the field, 29 And all their wealth, and all their little ones, and their wives took they captive, and spoiled even all that was in the house. 30 And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites: and I being few in number, they shall gather themselves together against me, and slay me; and I shall be destroyed, I and my house. 31 And they said, Should he deal with our sister as with an harlot?

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Amo2 said:

That of course depends upon whom one has determined is right, and or properly represents what is right. If in fact God is the creator and sustainer of all humanity as holy scripture declares, then He is in fact the one who knows exactly what He created us for and how we ought to be. If He created and enforced this law upon all of humanity, according to His own teaching and obvious actions, such would be wrong. Which is why apparently He did not. Creating and enforcing such a law upon a people though, who had entered into covenant with Him by way of agreeing to keep all of His laws and statutes, is another situation altogether. Especially if that person is free to leave said nation any time they wanted to. The scriptures give several warnings toward those who will profess to be followers of the true God, while ignoring or defying His authority in openly disobeying His commands and teaching others to do so. It will be worse for them, than those who denied Him altogether.

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durangodawood said:

Its a huge market that we've now lost, probably long term as theyve gone and found providers elsewhere.

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GoldenBoy89 said:

to use a shutdown as a bargaining chip.

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Always in His Presence said:

They want to claw back the funding for rural hospitals:

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essentialsaltes said:

"It's a war from within," the president said to the room of high-ranking military generals who flew from across the globe to Quantico, Virginia. "We're under invasion from within," Trump said.

Trump talked about his efforts to increase the use of the U.S. military in American cities. Trump claimed Democratic-run cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco, are in "bad shape," and that he threatened to "straighten them out, one by one."

"I told Pete [Hegseth] we should use some of these dangerous cities as training grounds for our military National Guard," Trump said.

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[Speaker] Johnson, who was pressed about whether training troops in American cities was appropriate, said Trump's comments were "cherry-picked out of a long speech."

When asked if using military troops in American cities was appropriate, Johnson said, "I don't serve on the Pentagon, I run the House of Representatives."

Immediately following Johnson's remarks, [Minority Leader Hakeem] Jeffries said the president's comment was a "deeply disturbing statement,"

"A single American should never be viewed as an 'enemy from within' or as target practice for the American military," Jeffries said.

"We have the finest military in the world and they should be used to keep us safe from external enemies," Jeffries added.

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essentialsaltes said:

Schumer said he wouldn't sign the Republican plan. He was open to negotiation. Trump canceled one negotiating meeting and the last minute one didn't have much hope. But now Trump is showing signs of negotiating on healthare.

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Jeff Saunders said:

Don't fall for the demonic idea that those who rejected or misunderstood can repent after the death of their mortal body, that is no place in scripture.

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Always in His Presence said:

You should let them know - Schumer is the one who publicly stated he wouldn't budge.

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Always in His Presence said:

No - they want Medicare for illegals reestablished

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Always in His Presence said:

He wouldn't have to worry about back pay if Schumer didn't try to hold the country hostage and really not care about those workers, woman and children and the elderly not getting the funds they need.

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Delvianna said:

The bill passed the house, got sent to the senate and what happened? The Senate Democrats REFUSED to vote on it, why? Because they wanted to add another trillion dollars in spending and no, not all of it is for healthcare. Some of it is for electric vehicles, DEI projects, and adds a bunch of other legality issues like cutting to border security, removes work requirements for federal aid and other stuff. So you want to talk about "facts", this isn't "simple". Stop making it out to be and just toss around blame against the party that you particularly don't like.

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stevevw said:

It relates directly to what you are saying because it cuts through the fallacy being made that because no tech is found that this must then refute that they were made in that time where we can;t find the method. Fullstop.

Your creating a fallacy that because I cannot produce how they were made therefore they must not have been made by that culture in that time.

This is strange logic. The fact is these vases are found in that time with that culture (Naqada) before the potters wheel let alone lathe tech for which the signatures clearly represent. So yes the objects are the objects found in a time where they should not have been found because of the signatures in the objects.

The vases and their signatures which suggests certain tech is a seperate issue to what was the method. We have one set of facts in the signatures and their presense in predynastic times. We have a seperate speculative issue of how they were made.

This thing is the inside bottom of one of the vases found under the Stepped pyramid where many of these precision vases were found. It shows circular machine marks like a vinyl record. A witness mark as to the method they were made. It resembles the circular machine marks on other precision vases.

Except it has good provedence being found in a dig by Petrie. The machine marks also match the machine marks in the image above it from a vase fragment from under a pyramid from predynastic Egypt. These machine marks are also found on several vases including those from the Petrie musum where some of the insides were not polished completely and left these witness marks of modern machining.

But at least you recognise the signatures is like modern tech and impossible to be caused by ancient tech. This is all I am doing. I am recognising the same witness marks except I am saying these are not fakes.

The other witness marks like circular and planing cuts I have shown are not fakes and found directly on the ancient works. No modern day person came along and made modern cuts in these works.

Yes they do. You just acknowledge that the witness marks of modern machining were impossible for the ancients and must be a modern fake. The signatures spoke for themselves that you reacted that this was impossible. You did not need anything else to come to that conclusion.

Actually I don't think you understand whats going on really. Look at the videos of the experiments. Just like I asked you to look at the live tests on precision vases.

They state over and over again that they are comparing the signatures to the Egyptian works found to prove that this can be achieved by the orthodox methods.

I know but I am pointing out how the skeptics think and how they expect unreal criteria for those who propose any alternative knowledge. You are doing the same but in a different way. Like with the 'artist' as the go to explanation for everything.

A coverall explanation given almost supernatural abilities which explain what would otherwise be considered impossible.

But how does the hand held devices like a chisel or a pounder or box drill achieve such precision. If we have to calibrate out equipment to measure down to the precision in these vases then how did they achieve this. Was it guesswork, luck. Maybe one vase but not many.

Ok so your acknowledging that the times you were attacking these metrologists and engineers as whackos you actually did know understand the expertise that was involved. You were just attacking them because of what the readings were saying and what they said about those readings being near impossible to produce with the orthodox methods.

There you go, theres another example of how your deriding these experts and their numbers. The numbers speak for themselves. None of these experts have said anything about aliens, gods, or some supernatural power coming from the clouds or whatever. This is your every time and over and over again making it so lol.

Obviously the provedence. But also by testing more and more vases until it gets to the point that skeptics cannot deny and use the idea that they are fake. Unless they want to start claiming all the vases in museums are fakes and those with provedence going back to Petries and other digs ect.

Yes so thats why more data is needed. But I think it has already been established. Some vases come directly from digs such as Petries. Some have been scanned on site under Mastaba 17 and the Stepped pyramid. Others have carbon dating to 3,500BC and still others have provedence as early as the 1800's. But admittedly the more the better to shut the skeptics down.

But as I mentioned the fixation on the vases overlooks the many, many other signatures and out of place works that suggest advanced tech and knowledge. Altogether this makes a strong case for ancient advanced tech and knowledge.

Thats because what I am saying is going over your head. I am not just retalking about the "blind tests". Once again I am using that example like other examples of how skeptics demand unreal criteria when alternative ideas that are contrary to their worldview are proposed. Yet will not place the same criteria on themselves or on the expectation of the evidence required. Its been happening all through this thread.

Once again I am not talking about that special test or any particular requirement. Rather its the unreal and inconsistent requirements being made by skeptics. In your case it is demanding peer review and certain criteria. While presenting support or making claims without the same level of criteria. By assuming and rideculing anyone including scientists or experts in their fields as whackos.

I am using the other posters example of unreal expectations along with your own to show how generally this is the double standard and hypocracy of the skeptics.

Ah they already did and that was part of it. This shows you did not bother to even investigate and dismissed this out of hand as psudeoscience.

Lol you don't like it. It seems ok for the Scientists against Myths or the many experiments such as those from Robert Stocks sweating away in the Ciro sun trying to saw granite blocks and declaring "see it can be done" lol.

I think its good that they open up the actual testing process to the public. To anyone who wants to download the STL files and do their own research. Its gathering momentum and more experts are coming in. Its actually led to further testing and discoveries.

And it is clearly not some over the weekend and backyard testing like we see from skeptics like Science against Myth. Yet their backyard experiements over the weekend are quite acceptable to skeptics.

This is ongoing science, calibration is done and recorded for you to see. Its been repeated many times by independent testers. It shows that you are biased in relegating all this work to "some over-the-weekend quick hack job".

Thats because your biased and clearly wrong. You have acknowledged the signatures are real and your are seeing the same thing the tests are showing. You just think they are frauds.

Others have acknowledge the signatures in the fact that some sort of lathe was used. They just don't accept that the vases that have these signatures are from the predynastic time they are being attributed to. Or they want to argue red herrings about small detail that does not change the fact that these vases have modern maching marks on them.

And I have clearly showed that this precision in the vases and other works was well recognised going back 100 years. They just did not do and further tests like today. Like everything we are looking closer at Egyptian history. More independent researchers are out there in the field. The gatekeepers no longer have the keys lol and we are hearing more about these amazing works in more detail.

Yes I agree there are the fringe loonies but you are relegating everyone to that box. Many of these researchers are doing good science. This shows that you are more or less being the opposite 'thought leader' except pushing false narratives that tar everyone as whackos for simply suggesting such ideas.

This idea of "we tried" to save you from the delusion idea is itself exactly what you are accusing me of. That just suggesting such alternative ideas and knowledge is something you need to help people get away from lol. That its not the proper way to think.

I would imagine if we were on a Christian tops like the resurrection of Christs body defying physics you would be also trying to rescue people from such deluded thinking and beliefs. Thats why you are here on a social platform and not a science one and defending the true knowledge isnt it. Helping people be enlightened lol.

Lol that form was taken from the very first pages. There was no gentle leading. It was whackos from the start lol. Then it was name calling like how can you be so stupid or ignorant followed in between with its psudoscience I tell you, Dunn is a Quack I tell you. Then I post evidence from guess what "PEER REVIEWED science and we can here crickets lol.

This is not some gentle and neutral leading. This is narrative based on your own worldview belief that is once again being pushed onto those who have alternative worldview that are open to alternative ways of knowling like God, like miracles, like supernatural stuff. You know the stuff you automatically relegate as whacko.

Am I clear enough now lol. This has never been about facts, objective reality and being neutral and open. This has been about epistemic superiority and dogma. Which ironically is exactly what the OP is about. Your only prove the OP lol.

There you go again. Slipping in the word "cult" is part of creating the narrative that its all whacko and psuedoscience. But thats your worldview assumption and belief. You only accept certain findings and the tests that go ith them If the findings support your worldview then there little scrutiny of the testing. If it doesn't then every little step is scrutinised and rideculed. Thats how it works.

In this case you find it boring. You admit you are not a metrologist or engineer. But this is still science so its interesting to those who are metrologists. Its interesting for anyone who wants to see what the scientists do and watch their tests. Its interesting for anyone who is into Egyptian history and their amazing works.

But you rtelegate this as boiring . Thats ok thats your opinion, But its the relegating it as "Boring" as a way to argue that its nothing and meaningless that is the problem. You are using that to deminish and even ridecule the way others see this as real science and important.

Which goes back to what I said above how this is not science itself but imposing your worldview and opinion over others as though you hold the epistemic and metaphysical truths.

There you go. You just confirmed once again what I am saying lol. That some how these tests and researchers are not real and just psuedoscience and not doing things the right way. While I might add that skeptics on this thread are quite happy to offer their own unqualified and unsupported opinion via the same level of testing and analysis that these so called whackos are doing.

Generally we copuld say that there are two sides to this issue of vases. One is myself who has at least offered links to many iondependent tests and analysis whether right or wrong. On the other hand all I have seen from skeptics is complaints and unsupported claims that this is all whacko.

Hypocrical and double standards.

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GoldenBoy89 said:

Indeed. The republicans who had no problem with the thousand upon thousands of jobs being cut from the federal workforce by DOGE and the president, taking a metaphorical chainsaw to the government, now want to shed their crocodile tears over all the people that will be affected by this shutdown.

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BCP1928 said:

Yes, the Democrats won't vote for a policy they are vehemently opposed to so the Republicans shut down the Government. Whose "fault" is that?

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