Is anyone else going to be visiting the relics of St Therese of Lisieux as they tour parts of the US?
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Unfortunately, they aren’t in my area 
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Jesus Christ is the teacher for all, it is the Spirit.So how do you know what we should / shouldn't do? There HAS to be rules in place, otherwise chaos would ensue and just claiming you have trust in God (which is what the definition of faith is), doesn't in itself tell you anything else. There has to be something to write on our hearts and if its not God's moral law, which he spelled out in exodus, then what is it?
You don't flesh out your thoughts, you just rapid fire them with no verses attached and make multiple replies and honestly, its getting a little frustrating to keep track. Take a step back and please just make a post spelling out your stance with bible verses.
And God knows, by the way, if a certain action will have a bad result; it may not be obvious, but God knows.
God is able to personally communicate with us. And His communication matches with all that He knows.So how do you know?
Well . . . my offering on this is we can be personally guided by God so we do what is right; and He has us doing better than humanly understandable rules ever could tell us to do; because He is God so better than we are, able to have us doing better, even by the moment, than we could imagine, moments before > with such discovering, indeed, in this.Using the previous example, sending a child to her room is quite acceptable. But for how long? How do you know when it becomes morally unacceptable?
I don't believe Jesus drank wine on the cross. I believe Jesus was speaking, in Mark 14.25, of the Millennial Kingdom when he will come back to earth.Mark 14:25 I tell you the truth, I will not again drink from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”
Jesus drank the fruit of the vine on the cross. The kingdom of God began with the ratification of Jesus' new covenant sacrificial death on the cross.
The passage in Luke 17 is speaking of the relationship of God's Kingdom to Israel in Jesus' time, and of how it is "coming." Clearly, from Jesus' perspective, the Kingdom remained in heaven and had not yet come. That's why he taught his disciples to pray, "Thy Kingdom come." It was not yet here.Luke 17:20-21 Having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, saying, “The kingdom of God
will not come with observation. 21 Nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”
Jesus' kingdom is a spiritual kingdom. We cannot see it with our bodily eyes.
Jesus received the vinegar, but it was a mockery. The Romans were not giving Jesus wine to drink. This is not the "fruit of the vine" in which he would celebrate the Kingdom in the future with his people.Matthew 12:28
But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Jesus drinks the fruit of the vine immediately before he dies. This vinegar that he drank was made from sour grapes, which are the fruit of the grapevine.
John 19:29-30 A bowl full of vinegar stood there; so they put a sponge full of the vinegar on hyssop and held it to his mouth. 30 When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished”; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
It’s essentially fan fiction from what I’ve read.I read somewhere that it was most likely an unfinished novel that some unknown person had written, and later abandoned. Ne'er-do-well Smith found it and decided to see if he could make a buck by building it up into a pseudo-religion and get rich off his followers.
He was never really the guiding force behind Mormonism anyway.....that was Brigham Young.
I read some Sufi poetry way back when I was in college, about the tail-end of the Paleolithic Age.....but I don't remember much about it. That was long, long ago.![]()
Thanks for sharing. I gave up after the second page.I glanced through the Book of Mormon years ago. I gave up when every second paragraph started with "And it came to pass ...."
I think it's a work of fiction from beginning to end, with as much credibility as the Golden Plates that Smith was supposed to have found, a man with a criminal history and serial adulterer.
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I wouldn't waste my time with Mormonism. They might have a great choir but so did the Red Army.
I've got an English translation of the Koran but haven't gotten around to reading it. I think there might be some wisdom to be gained from the Sufi's as they are the mystical equivalent within Islam. I believe the Enneagram derived from Sufi mysticism for example.
So how do you know what we should / shouldn't do? There HAS to be rules in place, otherwise chaos would ensue and just claiming you have trust in God (which is what the definition of faith is), doesn't in itself tell you anything else. There has to be something to write on our hearts and if its not God's moral law, which he spelled out in exodus, then what is it?the law is gone but faith appeared, it means we would kill i the law as those in Israel are doing right now and the world is witness, but if we are in Christ, which they are not, we kill nobody
God is LOVE, as in brotherly Love and compassion. Once God reveals Himself as THEE GOD --> THEE WAY--> monotheism --> we can see that there are no other gods. So, just as Jesus said the Truth will set you free, we have been set free from worshipping false gods.Love does not delete the commandment to not worship other gods.
LOVE sees that those who would bow to false gods are blind and are in darkness. Surely you know God sees that.Love does not delete the commandment to not bow to false idols.
The Holy Spirit convicts me of sin. <--This is my Love towards God within me through which I am thankful I am enabled to keep His commandments, and they are no burden. The Holy Spirit uses Love God with all your heart mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself within my reasoning to convict/convince me of sin. HE is Who sanctifies me.Love does not delete the commandment not vain His holy name. Love does not mean we can profane God and break His holy Sabbath day.
Love to God is keeping His commandments
1 John5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
Sadly, what people have been taught that we can define love instead of God is leading people down the wrong path of sin, unbelief and rebellion Heb3:7-19
if we commit sin it is through not believing in Christ, it is sorted out now..There is no "was" in Scripture.
1 John3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Belief is related to our obedience Heb3:7-19 why Jesus says why do you call me Lord Lord and not DO what I say. Luke6:46 Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter into the Kingdom of heaven Mat7:21-23.
Guess all will get sorted out in God's time.
You're absolutely right!I‘m a bit confused … please clarify your “official doctrinal position” as it pertains to your statements in the highlighted portions above and below. I shouldn’t need to point out the inconsistencies of the bolded and underlined. Elaborate if you will please …
Man is spirit and body, both of which are subject to death.
Man is born spiritually dead and eventually succumbs to physical death.
Just leave her alone! She has the right to follow her conscience! Period!She's in for years of trouble. Even though she won in court.
Perhaps I can explain that with this question.
Can we be sure there are only two resurrections?
Let's build on what you know.
The kings and priests are resurrected to heaven to rule and judge with Christ for 1,000 years. You know those scriptures.
The unrighteous are resurrected, and there is a thousand year judgment where these ones get a fair chance to do deeds based on knowledge, which they will be judged on.
The confusion, often comes fromRevelation 29:5Revelation 20:5
However, rather than break down what is built, keep building.
We read Revelation 20:11, 12
Now we ask a question or two....
- Who are the dead standing before the throne?
- How can they be dead if they are standing?
The last question is a hint.![]()
it is from the law that was abolished, it was a curse, it was nailed to the cross of Christ, now it is in the heart, through CONSCIENCE..And where does the He said Law come from. I'll give you a hint its in God's Testimony Exo 20:1-17
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
to work iniquity is to not believe in Jesus, it is as simple as that..How do we believe in Jesus but not what He taught and lived.
Jesus said this.
Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Is this our version of what God's laws are or God's? I am going with God's Deut4:13 Rev11:18-19 Rev22:14-15
There are a million threads about using Paul to make a case of lawlessness. Which is sad, because Paul never taught to dishonor God Rom2:21-23 or to be an enmity to God Rom8:7-8 He said what matters is keeping the commandments of God1Cor7:19 and Paul came after Jesus ratified His covenant at the Cross. Nothing can be altered, it would cause Jesus to have to be crucified all over again to change His laws. Why do so many people insist on making God out to not keep His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18
You keep quoting Paul and misunderstanding him comes with a salvation warning 2Peter3:16. I would suggest you read his writings on how we can reconcile them with Jesus and not against Jesus.
the law is gone but faith appeared, it means we would kill i the law as those in Israel are doing right now and the world is witness, but if we are in Christ, which they are not, we kill nobodySo if the law is gone, that means I can go be hitler and kill millions of people and still be saved?
If the law is gone, when Jesus says he will tell people who commit sin on the regular he never knew them, what is the point of that if there is no law anymore?
If the law is gone, then every single person is now going to heaven and there is no more narrow gate then?
Your argument conflicts with the majority of scripture.
Sin was the transgression of the law, now it is not believing that Jesus is Christ.Yes, Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 no one is saved in there sins Heb 10:26-31. Sin is the transgression of God's laws 1John3:4
Why would someone in Christ want to stay in their sins any longer is beyond me considering what it did to Jesus on the Cross. We need a conversion in Christ. We can't profess Lord Lord and than live for the devil 1 John 3:8 its why the devil hates God's laws so much and has taught churches and billions of people we don't need to obey God. That we can re-write what it means to love God by being disobedient to Him, loving God on our terms, not God's. This is a popular doctrine, but its not Scriptural
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Lets get back to the topic!
The law of God is the law that Christ did, by being on the cross, it is what saves, nothing else, and that also is the law of faith, to love in the same way, which is the only law we see Paul keeps.Is Paul teaching to be an enmity to God and not keep His laws Rom8:7-8
Just keep reading a bit further, this cannot be made any clearer
Rom3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
The least of the commandments is the law magnified and made honourable, here it is, the law is for the Gentiles/the people..Most who use Gal3:24 have never even kept God's laws as the schoolmaster to lead them to Christ,. They skip it and think they are in Christ. If we are in Christ, does Christ say we can break His commandments? He taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19 and keeping our rules over obeying the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Jesus said, one worships Him in vain Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-19. This is not faith, but rebellion. Jesus could not condemn this practice more He said it leads one who teaches and follows into a ditch. Mat15:14 Faith is someone who hears the word of God and does it. James1:22 Rev22:14 1John 2:5