essentialsaltes said:

Not necessarily.

Judge blocks Trump admin from withholding funding to 34 cities and counties over 'sanctuary' policies​

The 15-page order from Judge William Orrick grants a preliminary injunction in the administration's effort to withhold funds and expands the number of cities that federal funds can't be withheld from due to their "sanctuary" status for undocumented immigrants.

In 2017, President Donald Trump issued Executive Order 13,768(“EO 13,768”), titled “Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States,” which was directed at so-called “sanctuary jurisdictions.”The City and County ofSan Francisco and County of Santa Clara sued, arguingthat Section 9 of EO 13,768wasunconstitutional. I found that theyhad pre-enforcement standing, that they were likely to succeed on the merits because Section 9(a)of EO 13,768 was unconstitutional, and that they faced irreparable harm absent an injunction. I enjoined Section 9(a)ofEO 13,768. The Ninth Circuit affirmed. Cnty.of Santa Clara v. Trump, et al., 250 F. Supp. 3d 497(N.D. Cal. Apr. 25, 2017) (Preliminary Injunction Order), aff’d, 897 F.3d 1225 (9th Cir. 2018).

Here we are again.

Precedent in the Ninth Circuit and the orders of this court show why the Cities and Countieshave establishedthatthey are likely to prevail on the merits of at least their separation of powers, Spending Clause, and Fifth and Tenth Amendment claims. The challenged sectionsin the 2025 Executive Orders and the Bondi Directivethatorder executive agenciesto withhold, freeze, or condition federal fundingapportioned to localities by Congress,violate the Constitution’s separation of powers principlesandthe Spending Clause,as explained by the Ninth Circuit in the earlier iteration of this case in 2018; they also violatethe Fifth Amendmentto the extent theyare unconstitutionally vague and violate due process.

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The decision of that one lower court judge shall be appealed and over ruled.

"We “zoomers” are rediscovering that the Catholic Faith offers the fullness of truth, goodness, and beauty. In an ever-changing world, we long to be part of something greater than ourselves. For many, myself included, this longing has led us to the timeless traditions of the Church, and in particular, to the Traditional Latin Mass."

So is this interest based on a misunderstanding?

TLM is not a timeless tradition. It was codified by Pope Pius V in 1570. And it is obviously Eurocentric. While the Catholic Faith offers the fullness of truth, goodness, and beauty, those qualities are not dependent upon any particular language. Now I say that as someone who loves and studies Latin. A liturgical preference is one thing. But something like a claim that only that rite is the real deal or most attractive is a mistake. The attraction should not be the language or the rite but Christ himself. Does anyone think that "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum," has a preference for the language of the people and culture who crucified him?

ARBITER01 said:

Let's break this down a little bit,...

1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of workings, but the same God, who worketh all things in all.

In 1st Cor, the gifts were listed first by Paul,...

1Co 12:8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom; and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit:
1Co 12:9 to another faith, in the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, in the one Spirit;
1Co 12:10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits: to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues:

After a bit of explaining, Paul then lists a great amount of the ministries/offices that The Lord Jesus gives out,...

1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and severally members thereof.
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, divers kinds of tongues.

Then he asks the question,....

1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1Co 12:30 have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

Notice Paul did not say "Pray" with tongues, because the ability of The Holy Spirit to speak to the corporate assembly through somebody is not something that all of us will have. Every single one of us who are filled with The Holy Spirit has the ability to pray in tongues, but not everyone has a ministry with their gift. Same way with the gift of prophesying and the interpretation of tongues.

Just because a person has the ability to pray in tongues does not mean they can walk in our assembly and try to fool us into thinking The Holy Spirit "speaks" through him/her during a service. They will be stopped just about as soon as they start. There will be an immediate check in our spirit.




The more we are dependent upon The Holy Spirit for His teaching the better,....

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God; for no man understandeth; but by the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men edification, and comfort, and consolation.

Mankind will almost always be wrong.

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Good teaching and I agree with that distinction. I have given a tongue several times in a church setting. The first time I was up in prayer on Sunday about 6AM and felt like I was going to give a tongue in a service. I knew I had to have God's help on this, you can't interupt a speaker or the worship. I had a chance and gave the tongue and it stopped pretty much automatically and the pastor interpreted it. It is definitely different from praying in tongues.
It seems far rarer these days in most Pentecostal/ Charismatic churches. I have gone spans of months even years sometimes with not hearing a tongue that is interpreted. I myself have gone decades without giving a tongue in a service.
Though it is the lowest gift, I do think it can be leveraged and include some of those additional uses I described. However, just because I gave a tongue in church, being set apart is another level, plus it is harder fro me to distinguish between other uses of the gift, versus what one can do with just their prayer language. I can sort of profile at least some of the people that have the gift "various kinds of tongues." They are likely to travel, learn other languages and customs, and be more nomadic. I can't know what percent of those that have the "various kinds of tongues" gift follow that pattern is unclear but I keep my eyes and ears out for possible correlates for all the gifts. Again thanks for your input. Hopefully others will be inspired to continue to learn about this topic. I am sure there is far more to it though than what we have discussed.

BeckyJ said:

Don't forget that sweet tea...

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Now that’s divisive!

If this is not an abuse of power, what is?

joechristianwarrior said:

I know many Christians are hesitant to connect "following Jesus" with what's often called "social justice". But I believe there's compelling biblical support - even in passages like Micah 6:8 - that following Jesus compels us to pursue justice, including in societal forms.

What do you think - does Scripture call us to systemic justice, or is the focus primarily on individual devotion?

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It starts with individual justice and it is individuals who determine how just systems will be.
Isaiah 26:2 Open the gates that the righteous nation may enter, the nation that keeps faith.

If nothing else, the Torah speaks of such justice. And Jesus takes up the theme by identification with the lowly, oppressed and impoverished.

Matthew 8:20 “The foxes have holes and the birds of the heaven have nests, but the Son of Man does not have a place where He may lay His head”.

BeckyJ said:

What's God's opinion on being in a christian forum?
What does God say about being in a christian forum if you're an atheist?

I mean, we could come up with a long list of these type of questions if ya think about it.

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Right, it’s all irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

BeckyJ said:

There's usually sides.
Even God has "sides".
Does a person want to go to Heaven or Hell?
If a person doesn't meet His requirement which is on one side, then they are basically choosing the other side.

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Pommer said:

Why is there a need for “sides”, though?

I’m sure that for most people this is not an issue for which they’ll trouble themselves to form an opinion over one way or t’other.

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People.... Cracker Barrel is all about the sides.

BeckyJ said:

There's usually sides.
Even God has "sides".
Does a person want to go to Heaven or Hell?
If a person doesn't meet His requirement which is on one side, then they are basically choosing the other side.

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A Company decided to change its logo.
Some have chosen to make this change an issue to “fight” about; I wish them well, it’ll certainly be entertaining (probably), for a few days (until something else comes along to wrangle over).
I’m going to eschew this one though, what that says about me, I dunno, but there’ll be other things I’ll weigh in on.

Enjoy the battles you* pick!

*generic

BeckyJ said:

It's a Christian Forum, so God will be brought into some things eventually

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What’s God’s opinion on the logo/decor update?

BeckyJ said:

There's usually sides.
Even God has "sides".
Does a person want to go to Heaven or Hell?
If a person doesn't meet His requirement which is on one side, then they are basically choosing the other side.

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That escalated quickly.

essentialsaltes said:

That's a firing.

Hegseth fires general whose agency’s intel assessment of damage from Iran strikes angered Trump​

WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has fired a general whose agency’s initial intelligence assessment of U.S. damage to Iranian nuclear sites angered President Donald Trump, according to two people familiar with the decision and a White House official.

[And of course he fired the BLS head for bad jobs numbers.]

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Apparently, if one heads an information sector of a department or agency and one’s data conflicts with the pronouncements of the President, it’s obvious that one’s data is “incorrect”.

This state of affairs always ends well.

BeckyJ said:

Not a "one upper", just showing there is no room for either side to complain really.
Some will like the changes, the rest of us won't.

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Why is there a need for “sides”, though?

I’m sure that for most people this is not an issue for which they’ll trouble themselves to form an opinion over one way or t’other.

Apple Sky said:

Because if they did we are here.

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Really insignificant.

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Mankind is the pinnacle of God's creation, so quite the opposite of insignificant. God created this amazing, expansive cosmos filled with galaxies full of stars so that we can be in awe of our creator, and also humbled, knowing that we are made above all of this.

Yarddog said:

God paid the debt for man's sin.

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The debt Jesus paid was required by God's justice, which debt Jesus paid and which justice Jesus satisfied.