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A New Dawn · 2025-09-05T20:14:46-0500

The Liturgist said:
The Roman Catholics aren’t the ones wanting access to other people’s communion.

Belief in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church is an article of faith in the Nicene Creed - which does not necessarily mean the Roman Catholic Church, but the idea of the Church Catholic, however you define it: most Evangelicals tend to believe it is an invisible entity of all believers, or consists of the local church. And the New Testament does speak of a single Church - the Body of Christ. Catholic means “according to the Whole”, and thus whoever claims their church is Catholic, whether Protestant, such as Lutherans and Anglicans, or Roman Catholic, or Eastern Orthodox, or Oriental Orthodox, or the Assyrian Church of the East, is actually saying their particular church is a part of the entire church - but they will disagree on what the entire church is, with the definition varying between each of the groups I just mentioned (except for “Branch Ecclesiology” which is known to exist, in several cases without official endorsement, in all of the above, which does not mean it is correct, but it is popular. I am not endorsing it but merely informing about it. But what everyone must acknowledge is the Scriptural reality of one Body of Christ - the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, even if they disagree on its nature, relationship to specific denominations or identity.

As a historical note:

I would say until the 20th century most laity regarded their church as representing the Church Catholic either exclusively or in an idealized state, even if this was not its official doctrine or the view of its founder (for example, Martin Luther defined the Church based on orthopraxis rather than connections to Lutheranism so churches other than Lutherans could be entirely Catholic and Orthodox according to the Lutheran model, but an extreme mistrust of non-Lutheran churches began to appear in the 18th and 19th century likely in reaction to the forced union of Lutheran and Calvinist churches and the Pietist movement, although the most pro-Lutheran book I have simply refers to churches of other beliefs as “Heterodox” leaving open the possibility of an Orthodox church compatible with Lutheranism existing. Since that time, we’ve seen some conservative Anglicans who left the Episcopal church and some conservative Lutherans in a state of full communion, which means more than, for example, the ELCA being in full communion with the UMC or the ECUSA, since the ELCA is part of the Lutheran World Federation which has a great many members which are in direct communion with, or are the result of mergers between, Lutheran and Calvinist churches, and which are what the Lutherans call “crypto-Calvinist.”

The discussion is about unity. Protestants aren’t wanted the Catholic communion. Unity revolves around respect for the faith of fellow believers, not wanting what the other has. A show of solidarity with the body of Christ. It’s pretty obvious who is and who is not interested in unity, bit it is one of the things Christ expects of His followers.

perplexed · 2025-09-05T20:13:53-0500

Tropical Wilds said:
So now they’re are people on “his side” saying he was at the island… But only for the articles.

I only read playboy magazine for the articles
I only go to pedophile islands for the snorkeling
(blantantly stealing from Danny Devito's character in "it is always Sunny in philadelphia"" )

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Douggg · 2025-09-05T20:10:30-0500

RandyPNW said:
I strongly support your Dispensational view of Israel's national future

I am not a dispensationalist. But I am a futurist.

RandyPNW said:
with the exception that I don't believe it will be a 7 years period that precedes their deliverance. I believe it will only be a 3.5 year period, not based on Dan 9:27, but rather, on Dan 7.25 and Dan 12.7. This 3.5 year period is also referenced in the book of Revelation in several different ways--as 3.5 years, 42 months, and 1260 days.

In Revelation 12 is the 7 year period. The 1260 days of Revelation 12:6, the first half. Then the war in the second heaven and Satan/his angels cast down to earth. Then the time/times/half time the second half.

Revelation 12:6 and Revelation 12:14 are on the chart below. Also, Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 12:7.

Randy, if you go by this chart, you will have it down pat.

Douggg · 2025-09-05T20:05:50-0500

keras said:
Do you even bother to read Ezekiel 37:15-28? That Prophecy describing the time when Israel and Judah will actually rejoin, has Promises which will take place at that time and obviously remain unfulfilled.

Re-unification fulfilled in 1948, one nation again.

How can your theorized Christian nation replacement, which you are calling Beulah, be the re-unification of the 10 northern tribes and the 2 southern tribes ? Since your theorized nation will be made up of Christians from around the world of gentile background.

perplexed · 2025-09-05T20:05:17-0500

RocksInMyHead said:
In this case, the positions appear to be generally unified. Genocide is wrong. Starving children is wrong. Bombing civilians is wrong.

They are generally unified but I think it is worth noting the differences
hard right has the attitude America should look after itself and not get involved in pointless wars
and the hard left has the attitude that the powerful west is being oppressive .

Tropical Wilds · 2025-09-05T20:05:10-0500

RocksInMyHead said:
And now we've got the Speaker of the House randomly claiming that Trump was the FBI's inside man at Epstein Island:

https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1964070775465660657

So now they’re are people on “his side” saying he was at the island… But only for the articles.

RandyPNW · 2025-09-05T20:03:17-0500

Douggg said:
Correct.

The current nation of Israel over there will be attacked by the Gog/Magog alliance, and then the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 will take place. And in the middle of the 7 years, the Jews will turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation, Revelation 12:10 (see the opening post walk through).

I strongly support your Dispensational view of Israel's national future with the exception that I don't believe it will be a 7 years period that precedes their deliverance. I believe it will only be a 3.5 year period, not based on Dan 9:27, but rather, on Dan 7.25 and Dan 12.7. This 3.5 year period is also referenced in the book of Revelation in several different ways--as 3.5 years, 42 months, and 1260 days.

But our differences here are trivial compared with the great importance of God keeping His promise to Abraham to preserve a nation in Canaan who ultimately will share the faith of Abraham as a People. I believe God has also promised many nations will undergo this same transformation, which I believe likely include nations that were formerly Christian but have fallen. Like Israel they can be restored.

Thanks for your support for those in Israel who are praying for the peace of Jerusalem. Those who hate her will themselves be hated by God.

Sacred.Beautiful. · 2025-09-05T20:00:30-0500

I Don't Wait Anymore by Grace Thornton.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-09-05T20:00:27-0500

Vambram said:
The boat which was attacked and destroyed was literally tracked leaving Venezuela.

lol, nobody questioned where it came from. It’s like you’re being deliberately obtuse.

Douggg · 2025-09-05T19:57:19-0500

RandyPNW said:
Christian nations are not "Israel."

Correct.

The current nation of Israel over there will be attacked by the Gog/Magog alliance, and then the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 will take place. And in the middle of the 7 years, the Jews will turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation, Revelation 12:10 (see the opening post walk through).

JPPT1974 · 2025-09-05T19:56:14-0500

JPPT1974's Tues Thoughts 9/9/2025:
Life is short and precious
Zeroing in on how we need to
See something or when we do so
Remember say something or do something
Like get someone in authority and
How Jesus endured bullying all the way to the
Cross so that we wouldn't have to do that
In being humiliated and tortured like He did so for us.

Hentenza · 2025-09-05T19:55:24-0500

MarkRohfrietsch said:
It is difficult to debunk when debunking is met with a wall of bunk. It is soon time to take St. Paul's advice and shake the dust off of my feet and move on.

That’s wise but I have to stay as long as we are viewed as second class citizens and not Christian enough.

jacks · 2025-09-05T19:54:37-0500

Save Me.

FaithT · 2025-09-05T19:54:33-0500

Michie said:
Private revelations are for the person spoken to. They are on a level that edifies the person that they can understand to help them. While private revelations can be shared they are not an obligatory belief for others. They can edify others of course but it’s not something set in stone. With Faustina being a saint now… it sure seems like there is a certain level of approval but not sure how that all works as far as the revelations are concerned. But it is something I’m attracted to personally. Who does not like mercy?!

I’m really enjoying this thread. I’m learning a lot. And realizing how little I know. We didn’t learn much of anything with regards to Catholicism back in grade school.

jacks · 2025-09-05T19:53:17-0500

Not sure what a "political horseshoe" is, but yes I'm concerned. "Criticism of the Israeli government" is perfectly valid, however it can quickly become antisemitic rhetoric. This is a fine line that people have trouble negotiating. I believe Israel feels threatens and is in the mindset of fighting a war. Many atrocities happen in war, this conflict is no exception. And like all wars, it is the innocent that usually suffer the most.

JPPT1974 · 2025-09-05T19:51:47-0500

JPPT1974's Mon Thoughts 9/8/2025:
We need to teach others
Bullying is not OK and when
In showing that everybody is
Doing nothing whether to stay out of the
Way or that they don't want to get in trouble
It is how to stop the bullying and not be shown as
Enabling the bullying over as it really needs to
Not just be with fists but with emotional and mental wounds.

MarkRohfrietsch · 2025-09-05T19:50:56-0500

Hentenza said:
So debunk it.

It is difficult to debunk when debunking is met with a wall of bunk. It is soon time to take St. Paul's advice and shake the dust off of my feet and move on.

RandyPNW · 2025-09-05T19:50:49-0500

keras said:
There is no record of the ten Northern tribes rejoining with Judah. But there is a record of how they migrated across Europe and settled there, eventually to inhabit places around the World. As the Bible says: they are as many as the sands of the sea, a plainly stated Prophecy that does not apply to the Jews.
Do you even bother to read Ezekiel 37:15-28? That Prophecy describing the time when Israel and Judah will actually rejoin, has Promises which will take place at that time and obviously remain unfulfilled.

The fact is the Jewish State of Israel, is not true Israel. How could it be? They are the complete antithesis of what the Israelites of God should be.

An Israelite of God is an Overcomer for Hm. We see Overcomers in each of the 7 Churches in Revelation and Paul says the Israel of God, are the peoples who follow the Way of Christ. Galatians 6:14-16
One Day to become a nation in all of the Holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5, Zechariah 8:1-23, Hosea 1:10-11, +

A 'rapture to heaven', is a Satanic lie. Such a thing is never prophesied in the Bible, it is an escapists doctrine, believed by condelu people, without the faith and fortitude to stand strong thru all that must happen in the end times.

I disagree on all counts. But you have your mind made up.

JPPT1974 · 2025-09-05T19:49:46-0500

It is where He turned the
Other cheek as He as God but also
Human during the three very short
Years on the earth knew how to feel
Hurt not just physically but emotionally and
Mentally on it as He could had really
Retaliate but wouldn't be seen as such a
Loving and Kind God my friends.

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