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Does God give every believer grace and mercy?

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Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: NASU

How can the ungodly be justified? To be justified means God pronounces the person to be righteous. How can a person be right with God and still be ungodly? To be ungodly means that the person does not obey God. This must be an example of God's grace- giving a person what they do not deserve. An ungodly person does not deserve to be called righteous. Does God give an ungodly person mercy- not give them what they deserve? Mercy would mean the ungodly person did not go to hell but would go to heaven instead.

Romans 11: 32 states that God may show mercy to all. God shows His mercy through those who have received His mercy. That does not mean that everyone receives mercy. By Romans 9:15 God will give compassion, or give mercy, to those whom He gives mercy. How does God decide on those who He will give mercy to?

Matthew 5:7 "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. NASU

Those who are merciful will receive mercy from God. In other words, if you are not a merciful, or compassionate, person, you will not get God's mercy.

James 2:12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment. NASU

Those who do not show mercy to others will be judged mercilessly.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. NASU

According to John when we show compassion to our brethren, we have passed into life eternal. This supports the 2 commandments explained in the first epistle of John.

1 John 3:23 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. 24 The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. NASU

We are to keep those 2 commandments to abide in Him. Neither of the above 2 commandments were part of the OT 10 commandments. None of the OT commandments states we are to believe in Jesus.

In verse 24 above we are told to love each other. In 1John 1:3 John is writing his epistle to those who have fellowship with Jesus Christ the son of God. Not all the world has fellowship with Jesus Christ. In his gospel John makes the second commandment clear as to who each other means.

John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." NASU

Jesus starts by saying it is a new commandment, meaning it is not part of the old covenant commandments. Second in the new commandment we are commanded to love as He, Jesus Christ, loved us. No where in the OT commandments are we commanded to love as God loves. No where in the OT are we commanded to love our brothers. We are told to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. While our brother maybe our neighbor, all our neighbors and brothers are not disciples of Christ.
 
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Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: NASU

How can the ungodly be justified? To be justified means God pronounces the person to be righteous. How can a person be right with God and still be ungodly? To be ungodly means that the person does not obey God. This must be an example of God's grace- giving a person what they do not deserve. An ungodly person does not deserve to be called righteous. Does God give an ungodly person mercy- not give them what they deserve? Mercy would mean the ungodly person did not go to hell but would go to heaven instead.

Romans 11: 32 states that God may show mercy to all. God shows His mercy through those who have received His mercy. That does not mean that everyone receives mercy. By Romans 9:15 God will give compassion, or give mercy, to those whom He gives mercy. How does God decide on those who He will give mercy to?

Matthew 5:7 "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. NASU

Those who are merciful will receive mercy from God. In other words, if you are not a merciful, or compassionate, person, you will not get God's mercy.

James 2:12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment. NASU

Those who do not show mercy to others will be judged mercilessly.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. NASU

According to John when we show compassion to our brethren, we have passed into life eternal. This supports the 2 commandments explained in the first epistle of John.

1 John 3:23 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. 24 The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. NASU

We are to keep those 2 commandments to abide in Him. Neither of the above 2 commandments were part of the OT 10 commandments. None of the OT commandments states we are to believe in Jesus.

In verse 24 above we are told to love each other. In 1John 1:3 John is writing his epistle to those who have fellowship with Jesus Christ the son of God. Not all the world has fellowship with Jesus Christ. In his gospel John makes the second commandment clear as to who each other means.

John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." NASU

Jesus starts by saying it is a new commandment, meaning it is not part of the old covenant commandments. Second in the new commandment we are commanded to love as He, Jesus Christ, loved us. No where in the OT commandments are we commanded to love as God loves. No where in the OT are we commanded to love our brothers. We are told to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. While our brother maybe our neighbor, all our neighbors and brothers are not disciples of Christ.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: NASU

How can the ungodly be justified? To be justified means God pronounces the person to be righteous. How can a person be right with God and still be ungodly? To be ungodly means that the person does not obey God. This must be an example of God's grace- giving a person what they do not deserve. An ungodly person does not deserve to be called righteous. Does God give an ungodly person mercy- not give them what they deserve? Mercy would mean the ungodly person did not go to hell but would go to heaven instead.

Romans 11: 32 states that God may show mercy to all. God shows His mercy through those who have received His mercy. That does not mean that everyone receives mercy. By Romans 9:15 God will give compassion, or give mercy, to those whom He gives mercy. How does God decide on those who He will give mercy to?

Matthew 5:7 "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. NASU

Those who are merciful will receive mercy from God. In other words, if you are not a merciful, or compassionate, person, you will not get God's mercy.

James 2:12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment. NASU

Those who do not show mercy to others will be judged mercilessly.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. NASU

According to John when we show compassion to our brethren, we have passed into life eternal. This supports the 2 commandments explained in the first epistle of John.

1 John 3:23 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. 24 The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. NASU

We are to keep those 2 commandments to abide in Him. Neither of the above 2 commandments were part of the OT 10 commandments. None of the OT commandments states we are to believe in Jesus.

In verse 24 above we are told to love each other. In 1John 1:3 John is writing his epistle to those who have fellowship with Jesus Christ the son of God. Not all the world has fellowship with Jesus Christ. In his gospel John makes the second commandment clear as to who each other means.

John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." NASU

Jesus starts by saying it is a new commandment, meaning it is not part of the old covenant commandments. Second in the new commandment we are commanded to love as He, Jesus Christ, loved us. No where in the OT commandments are we commanded to love as God loves. No where in the OT are we commanded to love our brothers. We are told to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. While our brother maybe our neighbor, all our neighbors and brothers are not disciples of Christ.

God gives every person grace and mercy. The fact that any are alive and walking the Earth the fact that any were born are under God's grace and mercy.
The fact that he's giving every individual a chance to choose whom they will serve is giving grace and mercy.

To "justify" the ungodly seems to be speaking of God's just judgment that is passed.

Works alone is not the way.

And as James said faith without works is dead, so faith alone is not the way.

But I'm no scholar.

 
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God gives every person grace and mercy. The fact that any are alive and walking the Earth the fact that any were born are under God's grace and mercy.
The fact that he's giving every individual a chance to choose whom they will serve is giving grace and mercy.

To "justify" the ungodly seems to be speaking of God's just judgment that is passed.
Romans 9:14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! 15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." 16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH." 18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. NASU

Romans above does not agree with your statement. I did not post the above scripture, but I did mention it in my first post.
Works alone is not the way.

And as James said faith without works is dead, so faith alone is not the way.

But I'm no scholar.
1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. NASU

I did cite the above. Would you call that a work?

Colossians 1:3 We give thanks to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 4 since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and the love which you have for all the saints; 5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel NASU

It is a work given to us when we have hope in Jesus. But as it states in Matthew 5:7 we must be merciful people to get mercy.

If you will read my first post, you will see that I did cite Romans 4:5. What in my post disagrees with Romans4:5 or why did you include it in your post?
 
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Romans 9:14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! 15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." 16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH." 18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. NASU

Romans above does not agree with your statement. I did not post the above scripture, but I did mention it in my first post.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. NASU

I did cite the above. Would you call that a work?

Colossians 1:3 We give thanks to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 4 since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and the love which you have for all the saints; 5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel NASU

It is a work given to us when we have hope in Jesus. But as it states in Matthew 5:7 we must be merciful people to get mercy.


If you will read my first post, you will see that I did cite Romans 4:5. What in my post disagrees with Romans4:5 or why did you include it in your post?
Romans 11:32 for God has concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
I know Romans 11:32 was included into your post also, as well as Roman'4:5 but a lot of people view it differently, as do I. Showing each individual Mercy as they live, mercy as a chance at redemption. Once a life is over with then they face judgment according to their faith and works, mercy after death no longer exist... And those who did not abide by his standards while they lived and was receiving his Mercy will not be a part of his kingdom.

If God's mercy is continuous even after death as some believe and all will be saved then who are those that the Bible speaks of that were none repentive and has no eternal life with God? Mercy is for the living, and the acts we do while we are alive determines our end.

Our works are every choice we make, every action we take.

Indicated in the link below and the link I believe I supplied earlier concerning God's Mercy is upon all. In this link it just says God's Mercy is universal.


Psalms 147:8-9 but God is good to all and his tender mercies over all his works.
 
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Romans 11:32 for God has concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Psalms 147:8-9 but God is good to all and his tender mercies over all his works
In the NASU the verse Romans 11: 32 states that he might show mercy to all. He shows mercy to the world through the people He gives mercy to. Your version the KJV states that He "might" have mercy. Might have and does have are not the same. In Romans 9:14 it definitely states He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy on. Meaning that He might give it to some and might not give it to others.

Romans 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. NKJV

Added later: Above is the verse that you quoted, except in the NKJV. In it Paul starts the discourse by stating that he is referring to our enemies, disobedient Israel. In verse 32 the people He committed to disobedience are the same as those in verse 28, or disobedient Israel. If in verse 32 if He does mean that He will have mercy on all, it's all disobedient Israel. Not all believers. My topic is does God give all believers grace and mercy.

Revelation 11:11 But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them. 12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." Then they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them. 13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell; seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven. NASU

The 7 thousand people who give the glory to the God of heaven. this is the first time in the book the some people in the tribulation gave glory to God. In verse 4 of chapter 11 of Revelation the two olive trees and lampstand stand before the God of the earth. Jesus has taken possession of the earth and called His OT saints and NT saints to heaven. So, the 7000 are the start of God giving mercy to all disobedient Israel. They failed to believe in Jesus yet still gave glory to the Father in heaven. He will give them mercy to live on the earth and the new earth when He creates it.
 
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In the NASU the verse Romans 11: 32 states that he might show mercy to all. He shows mercy to the world through the people He gives mercy to. Your version the KJV states that He "might" have mercy. Might have and does have are not the same. In Romans 9:14 it definitely states He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy on. Meaning that He might give it to some and might not give it to others.

Romans 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. NKJV

Added later: Above is the verse that you quoted, except in the NKJV. In it Paul starts the discourse by stating that he is referring to our enemies, disobedient Israel. In verse 32 the people He committed to disobedience are the same as those in verse 28, or disobedient Israel. If in verse 32 if He does mean that He will have mercy on all, it's all disobedient Israel. Not all believers. My topic is does God give all believers grace and mercy.

Revelation 11:11 But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them. 12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." Then they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them. 13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell; seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven. NASU

The 7 thousand people who give the glory to the God of heaven. this is the first time in the book the some people in the tribulation gave glory to God. In verse 4 of chapter 11 of Revelation the two olive trees and lampstand stand before the God of the earth. Jesus has taken possession of the earth and called His OT saints and NT saints to heaven. So, the 7000 are the start of God giving mercy to all disobedient Israel. They failed to believe in Jesus yet still gave glory to the Father in heaven. He will give them mercy to live on the earth and the new earth when He creates it.
I see you didn't mention Psalms 1:45:9 so I'll repeat it the Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works.


The word might can be used in different ways even in today's language. And many Christians look upon the word might in that scripture as being he can / he does / to be able to /

Here is a few different ways might can be used in a sentence and not all ways might is used.

Showing his sovereign authority, but not being choic-y.

And there are people of today who expect for the thinking and the writings of people from thousands of years ago to be literally correct to their current day understanding. When 150 even 100 years ago the majority of the people in the world still didn't know how to read and write, as there are probably millions who still can't.

That is one of the reasons why even Christians are divided on a lot of interpretations of scriptures.

The Ten Commandments: the first four covers us loving God first..... The following six covers Us loving each other, which is the same as the new commandment which Jesus gave the only difference is Jesus was direct and saying love each other. If we love we we won't lie to another / we won't steal from another / we won't murder another / we won't covet another / we will honor our mother and father / we will not commit adultery or sexual sins with another. So there are many if not most Christians who will also say that the Ten Commandments and the new commandment Jesus gave are the same, just broken down into two as written in Matthew 22:36-40.

Blessings to you
 
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