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Many wrong beliefs have been accepted by Christians. Ideas and theories which have no proper Biblical support and in most cases are directly Spoken against.
Yes. Chriches and forums and emails and posts and messages and sermons , while permitted by YHVH, are mostly against or outside the Kingdom of Heaven, not originating from above, not a good thing individually nor corporately. Mankind has for a long long time given in to sin, wittingly or not, and does not even seek Healing.
 
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AMillenniumism, - we are in the Millennium now:
This idea, is patently wrong as Jesus is not now ruling the world. Matthew 4:8-9
This (amillenniumism) was known to be false in the first century, and ever since then,
yet "they prefer darkness over light" is truth as also seen in the thread of same title, referenced below (on this page under "Similar threads) and multitudes follow that false gospel even or more-so today in our lifetimes than ever before. As long as someone/anyone follows some other voice(s) instead of Jesus Himself, will they ever choose to follow Jesus ?
 
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This (amillenniumism) was known to be false in the first century, and ever since then,
yet "they prefer darkness over light" is truth as also seen in the thread of same title, referenced below (on this page under "Similar threads) and multitudes follow that false gospel even or more-so today in our lifetimes than ever before. As long as someone/anyone follows some other voice(s) instead of Jesus Himself, will they ever choose to follow Jesus ?
Yet there are plenty of genuine Christians who are amillennialists. I came across this site, Pastor Gabe • Amillennialism which included these words:

"More recent amillennial theologians include A.W. Pink, J.I. Packer, Kim Riddlebarger, Owen Strachan, Jeffery Johnson, and Voddie Baucham."
 
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Yet there are plenty of genuine Christians who are amillennialists. I came across this site, Pastor Gabe • Amillennialism which included these words:

"More recent amillennial theologians include A.W. Pink, J.I. Packer, Kim Riddlebarger, Owen Strachan, Jeffery Johnson, and Voddie Baucham."
All wise and learned people. All highly qualified and have written lengthy dissertations on the Bible. All are wrong because;
Jesus said: I thank you Father for hiding these things from the learned and wise....Isaiah 42:18-20
 
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All wise and learned people. All highly qualified and have written lengthy dissertations on the Bible. All are wrong because;
Jesus said: I thank you Father for hiding these things from the learned and wise....Isaiah 42:18-20
When Jesus said, "I thank you Father for hiding these things from the learned and wise," He was surely talking of those with worldly wisdom.
 
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Ther Kingdom is here now; Spiritually.
To come physically after Jesus Returns; Isaiah 2:1-4, Isaiah 65:18-21, Zechariah 14:16-21
Keras that future new kingdom would commence after the great white throne judgement would it not with a new heavens and a new earth
 
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All wise and learned people. All highly qualified and have written lengthy dissertations on the Bible. All are wrong because;
Jesus said: I thank you Father for hiding these things from the learned and wise....Isaiah 42:18-20
Which can't mean anyone who is wise, as Jesus, himself, had wisdom.
James says that if we want wisdom, we should ask God and we will receive it.

The reference you gave from Isaiah is not related to the words you quoted from Jesus.
 
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Keras that future new kingdom would commence after the great white throne judgement would it not with a new heavens and a new earth
After Jesus Returns; Rev 19:11 ......He commences His Millennium reign. when Jesus completes the thousand years, He will hand the Kingdom back to the Father God, 1 Corinthians 15:24 Then comes Eternity.
 
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When Jesus said, "I thank you Father for hiding these things from the learned and wise," He was surely talking of those with worldly wisdom.
Explain then; why is there so much dissent and variety of opinion among those 'learned and wise' theologians?
From what I read of those 'highly qualified' people, they are floundering in assumptions, suppositions and plan guesswork. They generally fail to use other scriptures, modern knowledge and hindsight, to help explain the Prophetic Word.
The reference you gave from Isaiah is not related to the words you quoted from Jesus.
Isaiah 42:18-20 shows that Gods servants can be fooled and Isaiah 29:9-12, says why the Lord confuses them, because they have chosen to believe lies and falsehoods. 2 Timothy 4:3-4

AS the forthcoming Day of the Lords wrath, will be the great Day of our test of faith, 1 Peter 4:12, it is not the Lords will that many will understand His plans. As Daniel 12:10b says.
 
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Explain then; why is there so much dissent and variety of opinion among those 'learned and wise' theologians?
Dissent regarding, what?
If it's dissent about translations of the Bible; new discoveries are/have been made and language changes. There are passages in the OT which have a footnote to the effect, "the Hebrew for this sentence is unclear." If even the original language is unclear, how do you expect people to agree how to translate it?
If you're talking about dissent in how to interpret a passage - you tell me. A quick glance at the Eschatology forum shows me that you make several long posts, with Scriptures and others disagree with you and also quote Scriptures.
This thread, alone, is supposed to be about debunking myths - yet others disagree with you.
From what I read of those 'highly qualified' people, they are floundering in assumptions, suppositions and plan guesswork. They generally fail to use other scriptures, modern knowledge and hindsight, to help explain the Prophetic Word.
I have no doubt at all that you will tell me that I am wrong - but I don't agree it's our job TO explain the prophetic word.
Or at least, explain it in context, yes. Explain what the people of the day would have understood by it, yes.
But applying it to our age, situation and circumstances? I do not believe anyone has that authority.

For example, in one thread somewhere you seem convinced that the "flying scroll" that Zechariah saw and which had writing on both sides, was actually a nuclear bomb and one country is going to use it, soon, to nuke another.
How on earth did you come to that conclusion?
Why does that Scripture apply to us now, rather than to anyone in the past or to people who are still to come?
You wrote about that as though it is the truth. Several people disagree with you, not only about that, but seemingly about most things that you write.
Isaiah 42:18-20 shows that Gods servants can be fooled
Fooled about what - and which of God's servants are you talking about? Moses wasn't fooled, neither was Isaiah, Jeremiah, Micah, Amos etc.
And they are OT examples - are you saying that God would let his children be deceived? Or that Jesus was wrong and we can be snatched out of God's hand?
AS the forthcoming Day of the Lords wrath, will be the great Day of our test of faith, 1 Peter 4:12, it is not the Lords will that many will understand His plans. As Daniel 12:10b says.
You seem to be mixing random OT and NT Scriptures to try to make your point.
Why?
 
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Then comes Eternity.
You make it sound as though eternity will start at some point in the future.
Eternity is eternity. God is eternal - he has no beginning nor end.

Anyway, you don't think that Jesus is even returning for another 15-20 years. We may not be here then.
 
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