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Proposed Changes the SDA doctrine in order to make more accurate and based on the Bible And not EGW

Below is a list of the proposed Changes in doctrine of the SDA Church by The SEA movement.

1. Christ ruling in Jerusalem for 1000 years. Isa 66:23, Rev 15:4, Ps 86:9, Rev 20:4,6
2. The sabbath as a sign and prediction of the 1000 years regin. Isa 66:23, Heb 4:9-11
3. Sunday, as mark of the beast, for trying to set up the kingdom of God on earth and not waiting for Jesus to come and rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years.
4. 666 pointing to Solomon , A type of Christ and Anti-Christ, making a compermise with the world. 1 Kings 10:4, 2 Chron 9:13.
5. The pre-fall nature of Christ. To be fair most of Mainline SDA Church believes this. it is only those that support EGW that believe Jesus had a post fall nature.
6. Soul Sleep - there is a Body, Soul & Spirit and upon death, the Spirit return to God, the Body return to the dust and the Soul goes to Sheol, the Chamber of Darkness and is a sleep. This is in the O.T. After Christ come a Modification take places. if a person accepts Christ, then the Soul & Spirit will go to heaven for the believer, and the body to the grave. the soul and spirit are reunited with the body at the Advent, when the saints are taken to the marriage supper of the lamb (1Thess. 4:13,14). For the Unbeliever it is the same as the OT.
7. The Advent happens before the tribulation, where the faithful saints are taken out of this world to the Marriage supper of the Lamb and return at the beginning of the 1000 years.

8. The unfaithful saints must go through the tribulation and are part of the 144000 & The Great multitude that no man can number. Rev 7:4, Rev 14:1,3, Ezra 2:13, Rev 13:18, 1Kings 10:14, 2Chron 9:13
9. changes to the view of the Sabbath to Sunday.
1. Sabbath was kept changed for over 300 years until the time of Constintine, then due to politics , the Holiness of the Day was transferred to the first day of the Week or the Lords's day. it was now a sign of loyality to the State. Sabbath was eventually banned due to defection during a time of persecution. It became "anathama" to observe sabbath.
2. The Lord's Day - was established by the Apostles. it was based on the Resurrection, the post ressurecction of Jesus and Jesus Fulfilling the Festivals: Palm Sunday(Lamb selection Sunday) Resurrection Sunday(First Fruits) & Holy Spirit Sunday (Pentacost). All on the first day of the week. It was an ADDITION to the Sabbath observance not a Replacement. It was Observed as a Festival, NOT a Sabbath, NOT a day of no work, until the time of Constantine. Due to politics, Sylverter I the bishop of Rome transfered the Holiness of Sabbath to the Lord's day. Eventually due to politics the Lord's day usurped the Sabbath and then replaced it.

Insurmountable frustration with the systems in place

Had nothing but problems with medications for 6 years. Now that I am trying to get off the medication it's even harder then taking them was. Why does it work like this? Why does it seem to me that all psychiatry turned out to be is a means to control, disable and eliminate people?
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What does the term "rapture" means to you - other than the dictionary definition of "upcatching"?

Despite my acute awareness of how dividing and sensitive this topic is in the Christian community, I have to ask since the Holy Spirit has put this on my mind and I just couldn't shake it off. You guys, like me, probably have heard the "rapture of the church" a million times that you've grown numb to it, there're these hollywood movies about it, there're heated debates about the timing and validity of it, but this term is still a puzzling to me, no one has ever given a clear definition. When I asked, they immediately hid behind the shield of a dictionary which reads "upcatching" or "snatch" without any furthur detail. If I inquire for furthur detail, they just stonewall me with more lectures on ancient Greek lexicon, which was really frustrating!

Ironically, by pure luck I accidentally read an article on this topic from Jerusalem Post, which correctly states that "rapture" is a christian doctrine about MASS RESURRECTION at the end times. That was such an epiphany to me. The doctrine of "rapture" is mainly developed from two portions of the Scripture from 1 Thess. and 1. Cor.:

For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (1 Thess. 4:16-17)

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Cor. 15:51-52)


If you carefully examine the CONTEXT, you'll see that both so called "proof texts" are plainly and directly talking about resurrection. That not only fits into the grand narrative of the bible, but also OT prophecy in Dan. 12:2 and Ez. 37:5. It was called a "mystery" because although the concept of resurrection was recorded in the prophecies, but not in the Torah, the first five books of the bible. Since the resurrection of Christ, it's no longer a mystery, the same power that raised Christ from the dead will also raise us from the dead.

And then there comes the sad and harsh reality - in order to be resurrected, we will die first, like all generations before us, like the Lord himself who "lived, died, and came alive forevermore." (Rev. 1:18) That's not what you get fed up with from the pulpit, is it. The John Nelson Darby version is usually a pain free cop-out, which comes either in form of anti-gravity ascension like Christ on the Mount of Olives, or a "puff" teleportation into heaven like the Left Behind movies. That's wild fantasy for itchy ears, not sound biblical teaching. There's no guarantee for us to be among those "who are still alive and left" in the bible. In fact, we as the end time generation are more likely to perish in the four horsemen judgements and end up crying for justice in the fifth seal:

When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. (Rev. 6:9-11)

Therefore, in conclusion, like many other theological concepts, the concept of "rapture" is biblical, the church doctrine developed from it has kind of missed the mark. In other words, the MESSAGE is true, the MESSAGING is problematic.

Hello from a new member

Hello everyone,
My name is Ari and I am very thankful to be here and be a part of this. I haven't had the benefit of being in a Christian community for quite some time, just recently went to a church and now being part of this forum as I now begin to understand the importance of being in a good, healthy community.

I'm really excited to contribute and being a positive member in the forum.

I do have my struggles, truth be told I'm currently at the lowest moment of my life - but I do declare that God is good, He is ever loving and caring and is full of mercy, even when circumstances and situation may seem to dictate otherwise.

God bless,
Ari

For a long timen I do not attend church services and my disbelief in God's help has grew big over the years.

For more than 2 years I no longer attend church services, I lost my will and desire to attend. My disbelief and disappointment in God's help has grew ever more throughout these years, and it all started back in 2018. I expressed this and confessed that I do not believe in God's help, instead of getting better it's just worse, I rarely care about the poor and helpless ones, there's a God who can help them. I went to a confession a month ago, it was okay, I rarely visit a church, and if I go I just do it for a confession (although I didn't have a proper confession for more than half a year), but that's all and who knows when I'm going to do it again.

I envy the rich and it hurts me that although I'm doing my best (everything I can't) I still can't get what I want, despite praying it for years to get out of poverty, I pitty the ones that are way worse than me, because they don't deserve the situation they're in. For a long time whenever I give money to beggers, when they "God bless you" my reaction is just a fake smile, and inside me I'm "Ugh, had he wanted he would've helped me". Many times I confessed sitting in church alone that I cannot belive in the help of a God who keeps disappointing, had I been born rich I would've never begged nor prayed for help.

My friend told me that what if the devil is the one doing a lot of bad stuff in your life and not God? I said that the devil only tempts, but God is the one who operates stuff, so he is to be blamed.

Look I said, there are no longer young people in the church, for more than 15 years, just old people gathering, nobody wants to visit the church and worships God, and it's mostly because young people are disappointed or just simply do not belive in God.

It's also the reason why I'm no longer active here, I rarely have an interest to come and check here, the last thing I posted was my dream of Patriarch Pavle.

I used to believe a lot, had hope, that just vanished into thin air when I got broke years ago, and it just kept growing, had I not begged people to help me, I would've still never gotten some things in my life. The only thing I got from God was and is still silenece.

I cannot hope in a God who won't want to help, not just me or any other, for years I've stood on "until I see it I won't believe in it", until then my disappointment in God will just continue.

FBI official who worked Trump-Russia probe pleads guilty to conspiring with Russian oligarch

McGonigal, a former top FBI counterintelligence agent based in New York, is the fourth major FBI figure from the Trump-Russia collusion probe to face criminal charges or end up under investigation.

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JAMA: Long-Term Regret and Satisfaction With Decision Following Gender-Affirming Mastectomy

Question What is the rate of regret and satisfaction with decision after 2 years or more following gender-affirming mastectomy?

Conclusions and Relevance In this cross-sectional survey study, the results of validated survey instruments indicated low rates of decisional regret and high levels of satisfaction with decision following gender-affirming mastectomy. The lack of dissatisfaction and regret impeded the ability to perform a more complex statistical analysis


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San Diego area drag queen 'Flamy Grant' tops the iTunes Christian charts

How a San Diego drag queen topped the iTunes Christian music charts

The iTunes Christian music charts were crowned in late July by a historic sight: A drag queen in bubblegum pink Dolly Parton-esque curls and a dressing gown spilling over with chiffon ruffles. Everything, from her heavy eyelashes to her rainbow jewelry and bright blue guitar, insisted she would not be ignored. She beamed under the large capital letters of the album title, “Bible Belt Baby,” and her drag name, Flamy Grant. Both titles insisted that Christianity and drag could — and would — be cradled together.

[The artist who performs as Flamy Grant uses 'they' pronouns.]

Drag, they said, gave them permission to believe in their own goodness.

It was ultimately through doing drag that they decided to stay in the Christian Church.

“I feel like it’s important for some people to take up space in the church when there’s no representation for the thing that you’re doing,” they said.

Flamy Grant — a play on Lovegood’s childhood Christian music hero, Amy Grant — embodied what seemed like a contradiction and gave Lovegood the boldness to declare that it didn’t have to be.

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Who has read the indictments?

Have you read the indictments in part or full?

  • I am a Trump voter and I have read NONE of the indictments

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • I am a Trump voter and I have read SOME or ALL of the indictments

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I am NOT a Trump voter and I have read NONE of the indictments

    Votes: 6 20.0%
  • I am NOT a Trump voter and I have read SOME or ALL of the indictments

    Votes: 22 73.3%

Have you read the indictments?

Mike Lindell returns to Springfield Missouri for 2-day "divinely inspired" ‘Election Summit’

Election denier and My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell has returned to Springfield this week for an ‘Election Summit,” where he says he will reveal a plan to “secure our elections immediately.”

The Lindell Election Summit will take place on Aug. 16 and 17, from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. on both days.

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From Lindell's site:

During that prayer, God gave me a plan. It is brilliant and divinely inspired, and will immediately secure our election platforms. This plan is unique, has never been done before in world history, and has not even previously been talked about by anyone.

On August 16th and 17th I am hosting an event to unveil this plan to the nation, and you will be able to view this for free via livestream. This is broadcasting in 80 languages so everyone can hear and understand the message. Some of the key speakers are myself, Kari Lake, General Flynn, Rudi [sic] Guliani, and others.

Hello, every one

Hello Christian followers. I believed in Jesus in April this year. I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and God in the flesh. I believe that Jesus is the way and the only way, and he is the only one who can give life. The problem is, other than that, I and the Christian faith don't see things the same way. I can tell you about the differences, but I rather wait until you ask about them. I'm from Aden, Yemen. We don't have working Churches, and I don't know any Christians here.

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The Old Testament originally does not believe in the existence of the soul.

"
Then the LORD God formed man of
dust from the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and man
became a living being.
" (Genesis, 2:7)
It is clear from the verse above that the OT does not consider the existence of the Man's soul. The man was already formed before God breathed into his nostrils. The breath is not a soul; it was what animated the Man, like the washing machine animated by electricity, or like the Frankenstein monster animated by lightning. That explains why Judaism Originally does not believe in the afterlife.

Then why do Christians insist on holding on to such a book?

Trump and 18 allies charged in Georgia election meddling

ATLANTA (AP) — Donald Trump and 18 allies were indicted in Georgia on Monday over their efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss in the state, with prosecutors using a statute normally associated with mobsters to accuse the former president, lawyers and other aides of a “criminal enterprise” to keep him in power.




Allies charged include:

Rudolph Giuliani
John Eastman
Mark Meodows
Kenneth Cheesbro
Jefferey Clark
Jenna Ellis
Sidney Powell

Read the Indictment document here:

Is impatience a sin?

1 Corinthians 13:
4a Love is patient, love is kind.
Patience is a virtue.

Is being impatient a sin?

The Bible does not exactly say that impatience is a sin, English Standard Version, Zechariah 11:
8 In one month I [Zechariah] destroyed the three shepherds. But I became impatient with them, and they also detested me.

But impatient feeling can cause you to act in sin, Numbers 21:
4 From Mount Hor they set out by the way to the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom. And the people became impatient on the way. 5And the people spoke against God and against Moses, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and we loathe this worthless food.”

Is impatience a sin?

By itself, impatience is a feeling. As such, it is not technically a sin. However, it can cause you to act in sin if you let it lingers.

On the positive side, when one sees suffering, he could sense an urgency, an impatience, to help immediately.

I would define impatience in two senses: feeling and action. As an avoidable physiological feeling, it is not a sin. As a deliberative action, it could be a sin. It is important to distinguish these two senses. For another example, failure to experience romantic love feeling is not a sin, but failure to love in action is.

A verse about money [questions]

I have questions on this verse. Please patiently read to the end, thanks!

Luke 16:9
I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.

I understand the first part of that verse, "make friends" with money. Now it doesn't mean we "buy" worldly friends by giving them expensive gifts, inviting them to exclusive parties. Nope. It means we get ourselves REAL friends by helping the poor, those who could not help themselves or those who could not return the favor. The poor and the weak or helpless.

The 2nd part of the verse is a big mystery to me: so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.

The verse Luke 16:9 comes after the Parable of the Shrewd Manager. Summing up this parable, the shrewd manager will soon lose his job. At the fear of losing his job and becoming homeless, the shrewd manager tried to gain favor from his boss's clients by canceling some of their debts so they may offer him a place to stay or live when he loses his job and his accommodation.

In essence, the shrewd manager tries to win friends by canceling their debts so that if he loses his home from losing his job, one them might give him place to stay instead of becoming homeless.

In Luke 16:9. you make real friends by helping the poor and the helpless/weak until you run out of money or until you lose your means of making money. But the poor will not be giving you eternal dwellings **THEY** will.

Who are **THEY**??

And we can't reach eternal dwellings until we die or at least that's how I think it works.

What gives?? If we lose all our money or lose our job helping the poor we fall dead and reach the "eternal dwellings"??

I've searched elsewhere with Google most popular interpretation says, "when we die" not "when we lose our money or lose our main means of income". They can't see it the way of losing money (influence of the false Prosperity Gospel me thinks). Yet, if I try see the context right after the Parable of the Shrewd Manager, the story about the rich young ruler, and the Greek transliteration, it clearly refers to money going gone, not our lives.

But still doesn't answer my question. If a real Christian loses all their money or lose their means of income + money from helping/saving the poor, are they going to die immediately OR it only means if they die broke, broke from helping the poor, they will be allowed into the Kingdom of Heaven? It doesn't mean they will die right after they lose all their money, they may die much much later after they become broke finanically. Is that what it means?? Thanks!

Help with Evangelism through social media -- (what may be some Biblical guidelines?)

Hi! I have been thinking that I would love to help people around me learn about The Truth Jesus speaks of and so, because of the world many of us live in today and so many people being present in social media, I wonder if it would be okay to share what Jesus says and posting it in my social media for others that may be lukewarm or non-believers to possibly consider Him better! My question is, what Biblical guidelines are there to help me feel sure about how I may be able to do it safely, if it can be the case.

Context: What I've been concerned about among many things has been: under what circumstances or what Biblical Guidelines should I consider when sharing the Gospel on social media, if that is okay. To put things into perspective, lately, I've been wondering about many factors in my personal life, one that comes to mind is, how should I dress or present myself when reading The Bible. Lately, I have felt somewhat of guilt in possibly presenting nakedness for The Bible's standards when reading it, such as if I read it wearing shorts. I looked at certain Bible verses regarding clothing and came to the conclusion that it is important. So when I read The Bible, I try to cover my legs and upper body sometimes. I also do this when I pray. I wonder if whenever someone may stumble upon my Instagram story, and it may show a Bible verse, I may be at fault for presenting to the person reading it without them being ready or while they are in a situation where they may not be dressed appropriately, or doing an inappropriate act or maybe they are not in an appropriate mindset regarding Jesus, so I worry I won't be able to see who is behind the screen and on maybe not being considerate enough about their possible ignorance or ignorant reactions because I can't see them and guide them. I worry about possibly being at fault because these people I cannot see and they may not see me, many may not know about Christianity or may also resent it, etc. I wonder if I may be at fault for factors like this while trying to Evangelize through social media. I really wonder what The Bible and Jesus say about a situation like this one.

So...I wonder if I should give like a heads up beforehand like "be watchful of your mindset and appropriate presentation". However, considering people just scroll on stories and posts so fast, giving a heads up like that may not be as helpful for that context. I also want to be approachable and loving about it as well and not make it seem too cold...Should I just post videos instead of other people sharing The Gospel so the loving tone is better received and maybe just cover the post so people can consent to watching it if they click on it while at the same time being advised of showing discretion in a certain way and in an appropriate presentation? (any examples of how to word that would be so helpful! :) Or should I just stick to in-person Evangelism so I can feel more at peace in knowing I'm guiding things a bit more carefully (feeling more control)? I still think social media is where a lot of people are at and thanks to it, I saw videos of people sharing their testimony and sharing The Gospel, which made me put much more effort back into my Faith and recognize Jesus much much better! I thank so much those people (strangers) I didn't have in close proximity (like family or friends), that talked to me through a screen and helped my heart open so so much! I want to know what the Bible may advice regarding this type of situation then. Please let me know, as well as of your personal opinion or feedback!

Thank you for your help!
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My conscience is bothering me.

Good afternoon.
For some time I have started to feel that even small things are sins, for example, if I talk to a female user I start to feel like I am sinning (Lust).

It's not only related to lust, I have the same fears when watching youtube (I may support evil content) and when I want to buy something (same as with Youtube).

Help with Evangelism through social media

Hi! I have been thinking that I would love to help people around me learn about The Truth Jesus speaks of and so, because of the world that we live in today and so many people being present in social media, I wonder if it would be okay to share what Jesus says and posting it in my social media for others that may be lukewarm or non-believers to possibly consider Him better!

What I've been concerned about among many things has been: under what circumstances or what guidelines should I consider when sharing the Gospel on social media, if that is okay. Lately, I've been wondering about many factors in my personal life, one that comes to mind is, how should I dress or present myself when reading The Bible. Lately, I have felt somewhat of guilt in possibly presenting nakedness for The Bible's standards when reading it, such as if I read it wearing shorts. I looked at certain Bible verses regarding clothing and came to the conclusion that it is important. So when I read The Bible, I try to cover my legs and upper body sometimes. I also do this when I pray. I wonder if whenever someone may stumble upon my Instagram story, and it may show a Bible verse, I may be at fault for presenting to the person reading it without them being ready or while they are in a situation where they may not be dressed appropiately, or doing an unappropiate act or maybe they are not in an appropriate mindset regarding Jesus, so I worry I won't be able to see who is behind the screen and on maybe not being considerate enough about their possible ignorance or ignorant reactions because I can't see them and guide them. I wonder I may be at fault for factors like this while trying to Evangelize through social media, in this case specifically as it would be consisting of many people I cannot see and that may not know a lot about Christianity or may resent it.

So, #1: I wonder if I should give like a heads up beforehand like "be watchful of your mindset and appropriate presentation". I also want to be loving about it and approachable... Also, considering people just scroll on stories and posts so fast, giving a heads up like that may not be as helpful for that context. Should I just post videos of other people sharing The Gospel and maybe just cover the post so people can consent to watching it if they click on it while at the same time being advised on showing discretion in a certain way towards Christianity?
Should I just stick to in-person Evangelism? I think social media is where a lot of people are at and thanks to it, I put a lot of effort back into my Faith, due to videos of people sharing their testimony and sharing The Gospel, which made me recognize Jesus much much better!

I want to know what the Bible may advice regarding this type of situation. Please let me know, as well as of your personal opinion or feedback! Thank you for your help and time!

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