Hi

Can I have some advice please. I have not been christened as a child nor have I been Baptised in the Church. Is this something I have to do or am I already Baptised through my confessions and repentance of Sin?

Its a confusing subject having read through variable sources, but would like to formalise my union with Jesus.

I have made the decision to be formally Baptised at my local church so I have started on that journey, but I’m interested in thoughts.

The last words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19 resonate


Thanks
David

Most people have heard that you can die of grief. But how? Yes, you breathe, and your heart beats, because you want to live. It's not like it's an automatic brain-function. That is why you can also control your breathing, because you do it because you want to live. So, say you lose someone you love then, and lose the will to live, then the heart would have stopped. I don't know if this has actually happened then, but since the heart beats, and you breathe, because you want to live, then that is the theory, possible. The soul is in the brain-stem, not the brain, so it is controlled from there. I think it is possible then, to just lose the will to live, completely. Have you been with someone for maybe 50 years, and that's all for the person, so why not?

I initially thought the horrible attacks in Israel would not have happened if Trump was president. But I cannot back that up at all I think I was brainwashed by Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager.

The Abraham peace accords basically have nothing to do with Hamas as far as I can tell.

Deuteronomy 13:1-5 ESV


Now this passage of Scripture is under the Old Covenant laws, so not everything written here is going to apply directly to our lives today. But there are some things taught here which are repeated for us in the New Testament under the New Covenant, and there are things taught here which we can learn from both in what to apply and in what not to apply and in how some of these teachings here are being twisted and misused today to discourage some followers of Christ from following the Lord in obedience.

Some people today who profess faith in Jesus Christ are discounting that God speaks to people via dreams at all, citing such passages as this one. But remember the words of Peter on the day of Pentecost when some of the crowd thought the believers in Jesus were drunk because they were filled with the Holy Spirit? He countered that notion by quoting from Joel 2:


So, the sin is not in having dreams, and the sin is not in believing that God speaks sometimes through dreams to people, but the sin of the dreamers in this passage in Deuteronomy is that they were using their dreams to tell the people, “Let us go after other gods which you have not known and let us serve them.” For Joel’s prophecy and Peter’s words on the day of Pentecost solidify for us that God may indeed speak to some of us through dreams, but the dreams cannot be teaching rebellion against God and against his word.

And a dream doesn’t have to be something you dream about when you are sleeping, but it can be an ambition or a desire or a goal. For we have many false teachers within the gatherings of the church who are sharing with the body of Christ their visions, and their goals, and their ambitions and desires for their “churches,” which are usually, but not always, business goals and business plans and schemes and visions for numerically growing their “churches” (businesses) by marketing them to the world.

So the main thing we need to watch out for here is to pay attention to what pastors of church congregations or any Bible teachers are teaching the people. We should be testing their words against the teachings of the Scriptures, in context, to make certain that what they are teaching is the truth and not lies. For lies are spreading like wildfire within the gatherings of these modern market-driven and flesh-driven “churches” (businesses), because they are of the flesh of man and not of the Spirit of God.

So, we need to really watch out for the lies, especially since so many of them are so cleverly and stealthily being blended right in with the truth to where they are barely recognizable by the unsuspecting who are not testing what they hear to see if it is truth. Misimpressions, which are indirect lies, are one of the big ways in which the lies are being spread today, because they are a lot harder to prove than more direct lies. But many people are leading the church away from God to follow after humans, instead.

Now the Lord allows liars and lies to exist. He allows wolves in sheep’s clothing and charlatans to spread the lies. It is not his will that they do this, but God allows evil to exist. For what does it say here? God was testing his people to know whether they loved the Lord their God with all their heart, and with all their soul. So he allows us to be tested to see whether or not we are going to follow after the lies and the liars or if we are going to stay true to him and follow him and not fall to temptation to wander from him.

For we are to be the people of God who walk (in conduct, in practice) after the Lord our God and who fear him and who keep (obey) his commandments (New Covenant), and who obey his voice speaking to our hearts, and who will serve him and hold fast to him regardless of how we are treated by others, even by family members and friends and neighbors and by others who also profess faith in Jesus Christ. For if you are speaking the truth and exposing the lies, you will have many turn against you and desert you.

Now this was a law under the Old Covenant that they were to put to death those who were false prophets. But a false prophet is not someone who might get something wrong sometimes, or who might misunderstand something. The Lord’s disciples regularly got things wrong and misunderstood what Jesus was saying, and so he had to explain to them what he meant. And the Scriptures teach that we know in part and we prophesy in part, so we don’t know it all yet (1 Corinthians 13:9-10).

So how are false prophets and false teachers described biblically? They are people who willfully and deliberately bring in destructive heresies. And people follow their sensuality. And they exploit you with false words, because of their greed. And they count it pleasure to revel in the daytime, and they have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin, and they entice unsteady souls, and they have gone astray, and they are willfully leading the people of God to go after what they know is evil and wicked and against God.

[Matt 7:15-23; Matt 24:11-24; Lu 6:26; John 10:1-15; 2 Co 11:13-15; Php 3:2; 1 Tim 1:3-7; 1 Tim 6:3-10; 2 Peter 2:1-22; 1 John 4:1-6; Jude 1:3-23]

But the law under the Old Covenant that taught them that they had to put that person to death is not repeated for us under the New Covenant. We are taught that we are to run away from them and that we are to expose them and their false teachings, but it is God alone who puts such people to death. Vengeance is God’s, not ours. The church’s responsibility would be to remove such a person from the church and to expose him and his false teachings so that the people will not follow them.

And this is the teaching that we must follow. And included in this is that we need to be people of God who are studying the Scriptures, in context, and who are applying the teachings given to the church, the body of Christ, to our daily lives. And we need to be testing what we hear and read to make certain that what we are hearing and reading is the truth, and then we need to reject the lies and follow the truth and expose the fruitless deeds of darkness for what they are so others do not follow them.

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Safe Am I, Safe Am I,
In The Hollow Of His Hand.
Sheltered Over, Sheltered Over
With His Love Forever More.

No Ill Can Harm Me, No Foe Alarm Me;
For He Keeps Both Day And Night.
Safe Am I, Safe Am I
In The Hollow Of His Hand.

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Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus called God the Son. ... Yet, this phrasing is used over and again... Such a central concept to the Trinitarian description of God has been kept out of the Bible scriptures. I don't think that is an accident.
Whether you are a Trinitarian or not... there must be something unacceptable to God about using that particular phrase.
There must be a subtle misunderstanding in using that phrase, or it would be in the Bible.

I'm posting this in the conspiracy board even though the media is largely owned by biological Jews and that's a fact. It would probably end up here anyway, so I might as well post here. Biological Jews own the vast majority of legacy main stream media (MSM) in America. They dominate the narrative, so why were they so hostile towards a man, Trump, who was nothing but a friend and staunch ally to the Jewish people? Like, at least 90% of the coverage of Trump on MSM was negative.

I am offering $140 dollars Canadian reward to any man, woman or child who is capable of answering my question satisfactorily. The exchange rate works out to a little over $100 USD. I will snail-mail the winner the money (no e-transfer or paypal) and you will have to exchange it yourself.

QUESTION: Why is legacy MSM so biased and hostile towards Conservative/Republican leaning people (predominately White) when this demographic is most likely to be in support of the nation of Israel in terms of economy, military, right to exist, etc.? Why doesn't the leftist MSM attack Biden and company with the same furor as they hounded Trump? Why does MSM lean heavily left anyway? Due to the horrible massacre that happened just yesterday in Israel Oct 7/23, (some calling it the worst attack in 50 years) Biden pledges support for Israel, but this comes off as weak and half-hearted, especially when considering Biden's administration just unfroze a 6 billion dollar cash infusion to the #1 terror sponsor in the world, Iran. And don't tell me the #1 terror sponsor in the world is not going to find a way to appropriate those funds towards terror operations further. Where is the outcry from the Jewish owners of MSM? Do they not care about Israel? How could they possibly let this slide when Trump would have been neck deep in the trenches with retaliation. What about this current POTUS is superior to the former as far as Jewish interest is concerned? Another thing I don't understand is how biological Jews would call for violence towards, or try to instigate violence towards, White people when they themselves, in many cases, look White? That's such foolishness it's crazy. You would think the Jewish controlled MSM would be in alliance with the Israel supporting Conservatives of Western society.

Disclaimer: I'm new to this forum but I'll just say, do not waste my time trying to correct anything I've written. I believe what I believe and that's not going to change. So save us both some time and answer the question as it stands without trying to dictate terms and we will get along. I've been looking for a satisfactory answer to this for years and I will ignore you if you fail to meet my criteria. Thanks!

It's a delicate subject to talk about, I get along very well with my mother and we have a healthy relationship,but I know that many don't, in fact my grandmother was a religious fanatic and, with all due respect, abusive towards my mother and uncles, but my mother didn't lose her faith, which is good, right!
But when I hear an atheist talking about his religious fanatic parents, I feel a lot of sympathy for him. Because in fact most of the time he is right, you know parents who hit their children while they said Bible verses etc.
Of course, there are cases where parents really weren't bad people, they just put a few more rules in their homes.
But the case that struck me the most was one I read on reddit
In this case, the parents had good intentions, they spoke the truth, they were not bad people but they had serious defects
according to the son
the problems were political and religious fanaticism, not in terms of opinion, but in every meeting he had and has with his parents, they didn't stop talking about religion and politics
the second problem was the lack of space and psychological pressure
At 18 he became an atheist and started dating
His parents started putting some psychological pressure on him and his mother started crying saying things I know you're having sex, and they started begging him and his fiancée to go back to being Christians or they would go to hell, in every personal encounter. that they had,
the third problem is hypocrisy, when the son said he was going to live with his girlfriend, the father said that in the past if a woman lived with a man without getting married she was despised by society and rightly so, and the son discovered later that the parents lived together without getting married for 1 year,
I would like to hear opinions, on the one hand I understand the parents' desperation in knowing that their son could be condemned, but on the other hand I understand him wanting to move, I'm being modernist, I'm wrong in my thinking?

The term giant can be found in the Bible to describe people of an unusual size. Og, the king of Bashan was of the people of the Rephaim who were unusually tall. His bier was nine cubits (13.1 ft; 4 m) in length and four cubits (5.8 ft; 1.8 m) in width. (Deuteronomy 3:11) Other giants mentioned in the Bible were Goliath of Gath, who was about 9.5 ft (2.9 m) tall, Ishbi-benob, Saph (Sippai); and Goliath's brother Lahmi as well as a man with six fingers on each of his hands and six toes on each of his feet. (1 Samuel 17:4-7; 2 Samuel 21:16, 18, 20; 1 Chronicles 20:4, 5)

Genesis 6:4 - The Hebrew word nephilim is plural, from the causative form of the verb naphal, meaning to fall, as found at 2 Kings 3:19; 19:7. Nephilim, then, means Fellers, or those who cause others to fall down. It is also used in a false sense at Numbers 13:33 (see below).

Scholarly interpretation varies as follows:

Some scholars believe the meaning of the word from fall indicates that the Nephilim were the fallen angels themselves who mated with human women. The Nephilim being the fallen angels.

Others believe the term "and so after that" at Genesis 6:4 indicates that the Nephilim were not the fallen angels or the mighty ones since the Nephilim "proved to be in the earth in those days" before the sons of God had sexual relations with the women. Those who interpret it this way believe the Nephilim were simply wicked men who would have been destroyed in the flood.

Considering the context, the Nephilim were not the angels themselves but the hybrid offspring of the unnatural union of angels taking the form of man and mating with human women.

I am convinced of the latter interpretation based upon the fact that in physical form the angels who forsook their natural position to become men in order to have sex with human women had their physical forms perish in the flood but would have returned in spirit form to heaven. (1 Peter 3:19-20; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6)

Some translations will move the term “and after that” to the beginning of the verse. This identifies the Nephilim with the mighty ones. For example Some Bibles translate the Hebrew hannephilim as giants and heroes from the Hebrew haggibborim. (See NIV) In the Greek Septuagint the word gigantes (giants) is used to translate both of those expressions.

Numbers 13:33 is a really cool reference to use here. It can easily be somewhat misunderstood. No one can deny the Bible’s potential for being misunderstood, but often it is misunderstood in that it is expected to reveal the whole truth, and nothing but the truth when that isn’t always the case as such. In this verse ten of the twelve sent out to survey the situation returned fearful and faithless. With Jehovah God on their side they were nevertheless afraid of the men of extraordinary size who they would come up against. They referred to them as the “Nephilim” and as “giants.” Only in this occasion are the people of Canaan referred to as “Nephilim” and only then to strike fear into the hearts of the camp. The fearful returning spies only used the term for that reason. The Nephilim perished in the flood, so the Bible is truthful in revealing this distortion but the distortion itself shouldn’t be misconstrued as truth. The Nephilim of Numbers 13:33 may be misapplied as those mentioned above in Genesis 6:4 when they in fact are not the same.

After the confusion of languages at Babel the brief account of the Nephilim seems to have inspired more than a few pagan mythologies. The confusion, at least in a modern interpretation, might be due to the term giants being thought of as mythological in the sense of the Greek deity, the Titan.

Joshua 12:4; 18:16 - Is an interesting example of the distinction between the two types of Bibles available. Many people don’t realize that the Bible version differs from the Bible translation in that the version allows for a greater or lesser degree of creative license whereas the translation typically leans towards the literal translation. The King James Version tends to be a great deal more liberal than most versions. Most Bibles read this verse as being in reference to the area of Rephaim, which in other verses is associated with people of unusual tall stature. NIV, ESV, ASV.

1 Samuel 17:4-7 - Goliath's height was six cubits and a span, which in today’s terms would be about 9.5 ft [2.9 m]. His coat of mail weighed about 125 lbs. [57 kg] and the blade of his spear weighed about 15 lbs. [6.8 kg]. His mail alone likely weighed as much or more than David himself.

Deuteronomy 2:20-21; 3:11 - These verses are similar to the verses above in that the King James Version uses the term associated with the area of Rephaim with the “land of giants” which, while not inaccurate isn’t a very literal translation. These verses differ in that they elaborate on the reference to giants. Here they are described in fuller detail.

Deuteronomy 2:10-11 - This verse indicates to me, the fallacy of the King James Version’s liberal approach to translation. The NIV reads: "The Emites used to live there - a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakites. Like the Anakites, they too were considered Rephaites, but the Moabites called them Emites." The KJV’s mention of Rephaites simply as “giants” gives us some insight into the unusually tall stature of the people in this area which the more literal translation doesn’t, but on the other hand there is something specific lost in translation; the specific mention of the Rephaites / Emites.

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>> Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel appeared on Fox News on Saturday, telling the network about what Republicans need to do to contrast themselves with Democrats following Hamas attacking Israel.

“I think this is a great opportunity for our candidates to contrast where Republicans have stood with Israel, time and time again, and Joe Biden has been weak,” McDaniel said. “And when America is weak, the world is less safe. We’re seeing this not just with the war in Ukraine and with an emboldened China, but now with an attack on Israel.” <<

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned attacks on Israel by Hamas militants in a Saturday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

“Today, the entire world saw horrifying videos from Israel. Terrorists humiliate women and men, detain even the elderly, and show no mercy,” Zelensky’s post read. “In the face of such a terrorist strike, everyone who values life must stand in solidarity.”

...makes me wonder which perceptions and attitudes in the US will change now that the leader of Ukraine has asked the world to stand in solidarity with Israel.

Ukraine's staunchest allies have been on the left (those most skeptical of helping Ukraine are on the right).

However, now that he's voiced his support for Israel and saying that the world needs to stand in solidarity with them, will we potentially seem some of that flip-flop? (where pro-Israel conservatives will start liking Zelensky a little more, and more pro-Palestine "BDS" people on the left will being a little more stand-offish about helping him?)

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I'm a partial preterist but being ignorant of history I don't know what happened to fulfill these chapters of prophecy.

I'm curious how many people will be born into the kingdom. Since humans are going to live for 1000 years and no one will die young I am wondering how many people will be alive on earth for the 1000 years.

Key Moments From Donald Trump's Iowa Speeches​

Trump Calls General Mark Milley Stupid​

Trump Makes Claims About Democrats' Abortion Position​

The former president made an unsubstantiated claim that Democrats are in favor of the executing of babies after they are born if the mother does not want them.

Trump Says He Has A Better Body Than Biden​

Trump Gushes Over His Ivanka and Hanibal Lecter​

Trump at the speech in Cedar Rapids heaped praise on his daughter Ivanka Trump, describing her as a "beauty" and "the whole package."
The former president then commented that he was "not allowed" to speak about his daughter's appearance.

Trump also praised fictional serial killer Hanibal Lecter, although he quickly clarified he meant an actor who portrayed him, who he claimed said that he loved the former president.

He said: "Hanibal Lecter, how great an actor he was. You know why I like him? Because he said on television 'I love Donald Trump' so I love him."

It is unclear which of the several actors who have portrayed Lecter Trump referred to and none have publicly stated their support for the [former] president.

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The New York City Democratic Socialists announced Saturday they will be holding a rally on Sunday in support of Palestinians after Hamas terrorists invaded Israel and killed hundreds, according to a tweet.


The Hamas terrorist group invaded Israel on Saturday, killing over 200 people and taking multiple Israeli citizens hostage. To show support for the Palestinians, the New York City Democratic Socialists announced they would be holding a rally in Times Square. (RELATED: EXCLUSIVE: ‘Babies Being Taken By Terrorists’: Israelis React To Hamas’ ‘Shocking’ Surprise Attack)

New Christian here who’s been learning a lot! There’s many other reasons why I believe other than ID. (including the fact that materialism/physicalism is being whooped by really intelligent scientists, even a lot of atheist ones)

I definitely believe in some form microevolution, and I don’t think the Earth is 6000 years old. However I am a bit suspicious about some theories of theistic evolution. However I did see with InspiringPhilosophy (who has REALLY good content) people were saying that the theory he follows regarding theistic evolution could actually STRENGTHEN the fine tuning argument

However when I see any book, Youtube Video, or creationvsevolution thread on a forum/reddit, about intelligent design, it gets utterly FLOODED with atheists smushing Christians in debate.

So is intelligent design basically 100% disproven at this point? Especially when I see people using really compelling arguments using math/physics. Even people saying how intelligent design being debunked made them completely quit being a Christian after 20 years.

I know William Lane Craig got thrashed in a debate about it but I see Stephen Meyer making a surge recently.

Hey, here's my sermon from today's service. God bless!

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Bumblebees have top-tier combat skills when targeted by Asian hornets, reveals new research.

Buff-tailed bumblebees drop to the ground when hornets attack—carrying the pests down with them, according to the findings.

Hornets lose their grip as they drop, or the bee raises its sting and fights until the hornet gives up.


“Stunned” scientists at University of Exeter witnessed 120 attacks that took the same course, with the bee triumphing each time.

The invasive pests, also known as yellow-legged hornets, have already invaded large portions of mainland Europe and parts of east Asia and have for the first time been spotted in the US. Sightings in the UK and mainland Europe are at an all-time high this year—but people are fighting back, fearing for pollinators such as bees.


“With honey bees, the hornets do something called ‘hawking’—hovering outside the bees’ nest and attacking returning foragers as they fly past,” said Dr. Thomas O’Shea-Wheller at the University of Exeter.

Continued below.

I just wanted to inform anyone in general looking for friendly, but high level, articulation of Orthodox Christianity. Dr. Christopher Veniamin has some excellent audio videos articulating the Orthodox faith on matters like salvation, hesychasm, the Jesus Prayer etc. I am pretty simple so I do not want to over or understate the level of discussion from Dr Veniamin. At the very least, a person can gather some beneficial insights.

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If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. - 1 John 1:5

God can take mass and turn it into plasma... God can take the plasma and reform it into mass. All to his will and imagination... No man being his counselor. Even then... How would we humans know to create living things out of the dust alone?

Unfortunately, though, the light and the darkness interact here on planet Earth...Comparing the light and the darkness, the opposite of E/c2 would be z (absolute zero)/ d (darkness)...

Natural z/d - Nothing, empty space.
Mental z/d - Again nothing but empty space.
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

Spiritually then we have...

Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)
**** The World of the Flesh - Everything in-between
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

Key Thoughts on keeping wonderful spirit...

1. Get a good image of the Lord Jesus Christ - Romans 13:14
2. Anticipate his return as something imminent - 1 John 3:3
3. Maintain a wonderful discipline and effort - As in the quote by Wernher von Braun

From Rocket Scientist to Christian... "One day in Fort Bliss, a neighbor called and asked if I would like to go to church with him. I accepted, because I wanted to see if the American church was just a country club as I'd been led to expect. Instead, I found a small, white frame building...in the hot Texas sun on a browned-grass lot...Together, these people make a live, vibrant community. This was the first time I really understood that religion was not a cathedral inherited from the past, or a quick prayer at the last minute. To be effective, a religion has to be backed up by discipline and effort." — Wernher von Braun

I am glad that Wernher von Braun did not mention a doctrine. I find that in church people are as good as their discipline and effort. When the discipline and effort go out the window little is left but for the church to fall apart. In which for me is sad to see happen to a church that was at one time very active for Christ. Pictured below is the Pentecostal Holiness church I am still a member of. Without the discipline and effort made by the community to make this a wonderful church we became just as bad as all the other churches not doing well in our time. And it is an amazing for me to see such a different people in this time under the same doctrinal teachings. The intellectual doctrine did not keep the spirituality alive that had such a profound impact on the society.