Why is it a sin to be in an interracial relationship?

[RDKirk]

And those seeking to denounce interracial marriages would connect this to the curse of Ham taking the unequal yoke to include social inferiors.

There is no such thing as a curse of Ham.

Noah put a curse explicitly upon Canaan, but scripture does not attribute Canaan as the ancestor of subsaharan Africans. Scripture sets Cush as the ancestor of subSaharan Africans, Mizraim as the ancestor of North Africans, and neither Cush nor Mizraim were cursed.

 

[SilverBear]

Then they would be misusing the Bible to twist it into what they want it to say. No one is a social inferior as we all are children of the living God. All of us are sinners and all of us have been presented the free gift of eternal salvation. It is just up to each person to decide if they want to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior.

And they can easily say its you is missusing the bible and we are into a nice playground argument.
As for social inferiors,go ask gays if they are socially equal.

 

[SilverBear]

There is no such thing as a curse of Ham.

Noah put a curse explicitly upon Canaan, but scripture does not attribute Canaan as the ancestor of subsaharan Africans. Scripture sets Cush as the ancestor of subSaharan Africans, Mizraim as the ancestor of North Africans, and neither Cush nor Mizraim were cursed.

you have few thousand biblical scholars to correct. Good luck with that.

 

[SeekingServant]

The Bible says not to be unequally yoked. That basically means to not marry an unbeliever.

To be clear, if someone finds themselves married to an unbeliever because he/she made a decision to become a Christian, then they are NOT to divorce, but to stay married to that person in hopes of winning them over to Jesus.

BGW
BHive Stories

This is my story. I wasn't a believer when my husband and I met. In fact, I was very involved (though not initiated) in a Hindu temple. Very involved. So when I met my husband, he was and still is a Buddhist, but when we met, God wasn't that important to him. I felt that over time, he would come to understand that God is important and it's been a long time though I see little hints at that. When I became a Christian, it was a bit of a blow to him and though he supported me, he liked for me to stay in the shallow end. But eventually, I started digging into the historical Church and now find myself at the cusp of going into Orthodoxy as my Christian home. He's adjusting to it, but understands Orthodoxy better than Protestantism even. I do pray every day for his conversion and ask anybody who will be willing to pray for him too. We aren't getting divorced, but I do try to witness to him albeit gently. We're an interethnic/racial couple too.

 

[Vicomte13]

you have few thousand biblical scholars to correct. Good luck with that.

But he is right! Just read the text: Ham is not cursed.

So, just as there are thousands of racists who taught that the Bible prohibited interracial marriage, there were, likewise, thousands of bigots who made up a "curse of Ham" out of thin air. It ain't there. Whoever asserted it is, is ignorant. Having been SHOWN that it's not there, if he still sees it, he's an imbecile, or a liar.

Truth is, the people who taught bigotry were not imbeciles, and they were not ignorant. They were actively wicked, evil, despicable men. And BECAUSE there were SO VERY MANY OF THEM, the fact that they taught it calls into question the authority of a great deal of Biblical "scholarship" - every single other thing any of them ever taught - it ALL came from a servant of Satan, and ALL needs to be thrown out. So much of it is lies that serve the evil politics and ideas of the "teachers".

This is a clear case. The curse of Canaan occurs one place. There's no scholarship required. Open the text and read it. There is no curse of Ham. Anybody can confirm this in less than a minute.

And yet men taught that there was. Because they were racist bigots who made up things to justify their evil. They were mouthpieces of Satan, not Christ, teaching people that their own satanic hatred of people who differed from them was in the Bible. And the rubes who bought it were not innocent either, because any human being who can read can open right to the passage and see that the "curse of Ham" is not there. They CHOSE to pretend it was, because they were filled with hatred of black people, because they were themselves rotten, evil people, not followers of Christ at all, servants of Satan, the lot of them.

It is PURELY a lie manufactured by racist ministers to teach evil. It is PURELY evil. And everything that came from it is PURELY evil. It was all service to Satan. And whoever defends it is evil and serves Satan. There is no excuse for defending this lie.

And there was never any excuse for any literate person to TELL the lie, because anybody can look and see that there is NO curse of Ham in the Bible. It is not there. Period.

 

[RDKirk]

you have few thousand biblical scholars to correct. Good luck with that.

What "biblical scholar" today is teaching "Curse of Ham?" Names and links, please.

 

[BGW]

And they can easily say its you is missusing the bible and we are into a nice playground argument.
As for social inferiors,go ask gays if they are socially equal.

Let's all be honest here, I believe it is the Christians that are socially inferior in this country. We got to have tolerance, but when it comes to Biblical beliefs, well that cannot be tolerated.

 

[marineimaging]

Let's all be honest here, I believe it is the Christians that are socially inferior in this country. We got to have tolerance, but when it comes to Biblical beliefs, well that cannot be tolerated.

Well, that is not honest. In fact, it is nowhere near true. Maybe you are of that belief, but that is not Biblical and it is not factual.

 

[SilverBear]

But he is right! Just read the text: Ham is not cursed.

So, just as there are thousands of racists who taught that the Bible prohibited interracial marriage, there were, likewise, thousands of bigots who made up a "curse of Ham" out of thin air. It ain't there. Whoever asserted it is, is ignorant. Having been SHOWN that it's not there, if he still sees it, he's an imbecile, or a liar.

Truth is, the people who taught bigotry were not imbeciles, and they were not ignorant. They were actively wicked, evil, despicable men. And BECAUSE there were SO VERY MANY OF THEM, the fact that they taught it calls into question the authority of a great deal of Biblical "scholarship" - every single other thing any of them ever taught - it ALL came from a servant of Satan, and ALL needs to be thrown out. So much of it is lies that serve the evil politics and ideas of the "teachers".

This is a clear case. The curse of Canaan occurs one place. There's no scholarship required. Open the text and read it. There is no curse of Ham. Anybody can confirm this in less than a minute.

And yet men taught that there was. Because they were racist bigots who made up things to justify their evil. They were mouthpieces of Satan, not Christ, teaching people that their own satanic hatred of people who differed from them was in the Bible. And the rubes who bought it were not innocent either, because any human being who can read can open right to the passage and see that the "curse of Ham" is not there. They CHOSE to pretend it was, because they were filled with hatred of black people, because they were themselves rotten, evil people, not followers of Christ at all, servants of Satan, the lot of them.

It is PURELY a lie manufactured by racist ministers to teach evil. It is PURELY evil. And everything that came from it is PURELY evil. It was all service to Satan. And whoever defends it is evil and serves Satan. There is no excuse for defending this lie.

And there was never any excuse for any literate person to TELL the lie, because anybody can look and see that there is NO curse of Ham in the Bible. It is not there. Period.

Do you insult and verbally abuse everyone who doesn't share your exact view points?

 

[marineimaging]

Do you insult and verbally abuse everyone who doesn't share your exact view points?

Who are you asking?

 

[SilverBear]

Let's all be honest here, I believe it is the Christians that are socially inferior in this country. We got to have tolerance, but when it comes to Biblical beliefs, well that cannot be tolerated.

have Christian families been subject to referendums to deny them the right to be a family?

Has any states tried to pass laws saying that medical professionals don't have to treat Christians?

Can you be fired from your job just because you are a Christian?

Can you be denied housing just because you are a Christian?

Are businesses fighting for the right to deny Christians services?

 

[BGW]

Well, that is not honest. In fact, it is nowhere near true. Maybe you are of that belief, but that is not Biblical and it is not factual.

After reading my previous quote, I think it did not come out the way I intended it to. I was being a bit sarcastic, but my sarcasm did not come out very good. I don't believe Christians are socially inferior. I was trying to say the Christian values and beliefs are persecuted today in this country than before. I was trying to say that the world teaches tolerance, but has no tolerance for biblical beliefs. I should have written that better.

 

[marineimaging]

After reading my previous quote, I think it did not come out the way I intended it to. I was being a bit sarcastic, but my sarcasm did not come out very good. I don't believe Christians are socially inferior. I was trying to say the Christian values and beliefs are persecuted today in this country than before. I was trying to say that the world teaches tolerance, but has no tolerance for biblical beliefs. I should have written that better.

I actually thought that was what you might have meant before reading your reply. Yes, being Christian is being considered as inferior but if you take social media and TV out of the mix, is it really? Ask yourself if you are being persecuted because you are a Christian, but only if by real people.

 

[BGW]

have Christian families been subject to referendums to deny them the right to be a family?

Has any states tried to pass laws saying that medical professionals don't have to treat Christians?

Can you be fired from your job just because you are a Christian?

Can you be denied housing just because you are a Christian?

Are businesses fighting for the right to deny Christians services?

Well, all I know is Christians are killed all around the world only because they won't deny their Savior, Jesus Christ.

 

[FireDragon76]

And those seeking to denounce interracial marriages would connect this to the curse of Ham taking the unequal yoke to include social inferiors.

People use the Bible to justify their pharisaism. Happened in Jesus day, it happens now too.

 

[Vicomte13]

Do you insult and verbally abuse everyone who doesn't share your exact view points?

No, I insult and verbally abuse racists, bigots, and every servant of Satan who ever lied about the Bible by pretending that it upheld racism, segregation and black slavery, by such things as the wholly created Mark of Ham.

And I support using police force and intelligence forces domestically to suppress racists, and armed forces abroad, and in the American past, domestically, to crush out slavers and segregationists by shooting them dead when they fight for their ideas.

Stand up for slavery and racism with a gun in your hand, die with a bullet in your brain.
Stand up for slavery and racism with a bible in your hand, be called the satanic jerk that you are.

Racist Christianity has no right to speak. It is evil, and it should be shouted down into silence whenever it opens its filthy, Satanic mouth.

Yes, if you stand up for Christian racism, I will insult you, abuse you, verbally attack you, and call you a servant of Satan, because there is no such thing as REAL Christian racism. The racists of the past who taught it and defended it as Biblical were not real Christians at all, they were satanists, and if God is just, they roasted in Gehenna.

 

[Archivist]

There is no such thing as a curse of Ham.

Unless you are allergic to pork.

 

[SPF]

No, I insult and verbally abuse racists, bigots, and every servant of Satan... I will insult you, abuse you, verbally attack you, and call you a servant of Satan, because there is no such thing as REAL Christian racism.... and if God is just, they roasted in Gehenna.

I often wonder sometimes how people who are clearly passionate about their faith can also simultaneously be so wrong in some of their beliefs.

I Corinthians 13:1-3 - "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all that I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing."

You sound like someone who has forgotten that Christ died for you, while you were still a sinner. Christ said that the entire law and everything that the prophets spoke rested upon two commands - Love God, and love others. The breaking of any of the 10 commandments can be seen as either a failure to love God properly, or love others properly.

You, Victomte, for all your passion and zeal, have utterly missed the heart of the Gospel.

 

[RDKirk]

I often wonder sometimes how people who are clearly passionate about their faith can also simultaneously be so wrong in some of their beliefs.

I Corinthians 13:1-3 - "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all that I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing."

You sound like someone who has forgotten that Christ died for you, while you were still a sinner. Christ said that the entire law and everything that the prophets spoke rested upon two commands - Love God, and love others. The breaking of any of the 10 commandments can be seen as either a failure to love God properly, or love others properly.

You, Victomte, for all your passion and zeal, have utterly missed the heart of the Gospel.

And yet, the man you quoted also uttered a wish that his theological opponents would cut off their penises.

 

[Vicomte13]

I often wonder sometimes how people who are clearly passionate about their faith can also simultaneously be so wrong in some of their beliefs.

I Corinthians 13:1-3 - "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all that I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing."

You sound like someone who has forgotten that Christ died for you, while you were still a sinner. Christ said that the entire law and everything that the prophets spoke rested upon two commands - Love God, and love others. The breaking of any of the 10 commandments can be seen as either a failure to love God properly, or love others properly.

You, Victomte, for all your passion and zeal, have utterly missed the heart of the Gospel.

Here you are SPF, 13 pages into a thread about Biblical justification of racism and segregation. You've nothing at all to say on the subject, with all of its embedded hatred and evil, that has resulted in literally tens of millions of human deaths. Nope, not a comment from you about that.

But you sure are exercised at me for holding the "Christian" racists, and in particular those who have taught a doctrine of hatred and separation from the Bible, as the vipers they are.

I could quibble with you about some of your theological beliefs expressed in your e-mail to me, but instead I will ask you directly the on-point questions raised by the thread:

Is racism biblically justified?
Was black slavery and segregation justifiable by the Scriptures?
Is there such a think as the "Mark of Ham", and if so, where specifically is that in the Scriptures?
Also, those Christian ministers who taught racism was Biblical, what of their authority to teach anything at all, given how evilly wrong they were about that?
Or don't you believe they were wrong?
Was Christian racism satanic?

What is YOUR belief on the subject matter.
You don't think that I understand the Gospel, that much is clear. You waded 13 pages into a thread on Christian racism to tell me that.

So what is your opinion on the subject matter of the thread, on the questions just above?

I will judge by your answers to THOSE questions - whether you get the answers right or not - whether you have anything of value to say to me (or anybody else) regarding Christianity.

You clearly don't like my style. You've left me wondering whether or not you yourself are a "Christian" racist, trying to defend the indefensible by attacking the messenger.

There's no way to tell so far, so do please enlighten me.