Water canopy check, and mate!

[Hydra009]

This is exactly why I have stopped visiting and posting here.

The very next thing I am doing will be to delete CF-crevo page from my favorites list.

Good bye all.

Seriously?

 

[Manic Depressive Mouse]

Dad is truely amazing. He has nothing to back up anything he says. Not science, not scripture not even common sense or logic. All he has are his insane ramblings. I'm really starting to think he's a few cards short of a deck.

 

[Valkhorn]

Maybe dad's a hoax?

 

[dad]

The irony is that dad isn't even using theBible to back up his 'Goddidit', he's just making everything up!

The bible talks of a spirit world, and how things will be very different. It talks about a lot of things more exciting than physical only. Notice noone has mounted a biblical challenge, there is a reason, they haven't a leg to stsnd on if they did! I have tried to take it easy on using the bible, because many posters on this forum are atheistic. But you can be sure I am more than able to defend any ideas I may have with it, as much as the next guy.

 

[dad]

"Some" including yourself.

You're in the wrong forum, Creative Writing's down the hall and to the right.

Oh, I can perceive the spirit world, so you are wrong.

 

[Battie]

Dad, since you're here, I'm wondering why you didn't answer my post #37 (page 2). You were dismissing as paganistic the very thing you were promoting. Why?

 

[dad]

Oh really? How do you know?





Genesis chapter 3, That's how I know. Let me give you a rundown as you are obviously unfamiliar with it:

* Eve is tempted by the serpent
* she eats the fruit she was told not to
* she then gives some to Adam who also eats it
* their eyes are opened and they realise their nakedness and try to cover up, and also hide from God
* God confronts them and expels them from the Garden

Nothing gradual about it.

I am happy to be able to inform you you have totally missed the point. The thing in this thread that is being looked at as gradual is the split, not how fast some left a garden! The split refers to a seperation of the physical and spiritual universes. We were left in a physical only one. The question here is how long a period did this take? See? Just like the sin of eating the fruit was to result in Adam's death, but it still took almost a thousand years to fully come to pass!!

Besides the spiritual splitting from the physical was a result of the fall, in all liklihood, but but not the fall itself.





Where is this in the Bible? Chapter and verse please...

It's not, but there is enough indications to make a good case for it. Unlike the supposed first lifeform-where is this in the bible? Or the universe contained in a hot speck sized soup?
The bible does tell us of spirits, however, and how the sun will last forever, which necessitates a change in present processes. They say it would burn out eventually, as it now works. Us living forever as well, is impossible in a physical only universe. Yes there is a veritable plethora of good biblical indications!

Why not take some time for the process?





Irrelevant, God's word clearly says he did not.

I'll take this as something you thought before I cleared up your misunderstanding, and not as ignorant rudeness.

Don't think you can wave it away that easy





It's not me waving it away, it's the Bible itself. Why are you setting yourself up against the word of God?

See above answer.

The 'seperation' was when Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden, that's what it's got to do with it.

Ha. Thanks for the silly laugh. It is certainly not the seperation I am talking about.

I see! So the garden that God especially created for Adam and Eve was in your eyes 'mickey mouse', you really do hold God's handiwork in contempt don't you. Do you think God is pleased about that?

Newsflash: Compared to the whole universe, the garden of Eden was mickey mouse in size! Nice, yes, as was the nude woman and man He put in there to till it!

The irony is dad that I'm asking you to fit your theories into the spiritual, ie the bible, and it's clear that they do not. Or at least you have some work to catch up on before they do.

No problem. I guess you never read some of the other threads where this concept was fleshed out more, so it seems big to you now. But it all fits so well, it sends a chill up the back of ones neck.

 

[dad]

Dad, since you're here, I'm wondering why you didn't answer my post #37 (page 2). You were dismissing as paganistic the very thing you were promoting. Why?

"Yes, I'm talking about your water canopy. The only reason anyone thinks that's plausible is that they misinterpret the cosmology of the ancient Hebrews.

The graphic I showed you is the only support for your idea, and you yourself dismissed it as "paganistic hodgepodge."

Well, I never saw it before, so how would I consider it the 'only support' for my idea? What exactly about it is so special?

 

[dad]

I'm not sure which would be more pathetic, dad actually being this touched in the head, or dad being a troll who is dedicated enough to stick around for over 1300 posts...

... Or you having anything to say!

 

[dad]

Well the only time/potential for such was with the first couple of instants with the big bang (again those conjectures seeemed to be more conjecture than theory).

Not if you believe in a spirit world, and a God. If not, well then, it's understandable that the physical only boundries would seem like the end of the world. Like the old flat earthers who were afraid to go too far, in case they fell off!!

 

[Battie]

"Yes, I'm talking about your water canopy. The only reason anyone thinks that's plausible is that they misinterpret the cosmology of the ancient Hebrews.

The graphic I showed you is the only support for your idea, and you yourself dismissed it as "paganistic hodgepodge."

Well, I never saw it before, so how would I consider it the 'only support' for my idea? What exactly about it is so special?

It is special because this mythological element is where the water canopy idea comes from. Do you think it has any validity? If not, why isn't your argument also "paganistic hodgepodge?"

 

[dad]

Wow. This is even more ridiculous than the time dad tried to convince the Physical Sciences forum that the Earth's core was a giant magnetic crystal, surrounded by a mantle of liquid gold.

Ha. Glad it stuck with you. Don't forget about the thousands of miles thick layer of precious stones, under the surface as well, that I conjectured about! By the way, the giant crystal bit was from recent science! I simply was looking to see if this crystal could have been cool material, and still fill the density requirements etc.
This world is eternal, and more wonderful than you can now know.

 

[dad]

It is special because this mythological element is where the water canopy idea comes from. Do you think it has any validity? If not, why isn't your argument also "paganistic hodgepodge?"

Really? What makes you think it comes only from there? Now as to why my arguement is not what you said, I'm not a pagan. So any hodgepodge I may come up with can't be the paganistic variety! Think about it, the spirit/physical laws in effect till the flood, would make it a piece of cake for a water canopy of any size.
For example under those laws, what is actually more dense, probably not the same things that would be in the box? Gravity? Who knows, probably different as well. Sun's heat? We already know that when the spirit world comes later we won't need the light or heat of the sun, so it too would be quite different! And that's just a few things we know about.

 

[Battie]

Really? What makes you think it comes only from there? Now as to why my arguement is not what you said, I'm not a pagan. So any hodgepodge I may come up with can't be the paganistic variety! Think about it, the spirit/physical laws in effect till the flood, would make it a piece of cake for a water canopy of any size.
For example under those laws, what is actually more dense, probably not the same things that would be in the box? Gravity? Who knows, probably different as well. Sun's heat? We already know that when the spirit world comes later we won't need the light or heat of the sun, so it too would be quite different! And that's just a few things we know about.

In summary,
If pagans/ancient Hebrews think it up: It's WRONG.
If Dad thinks it up: It's RIGHT.

But we're talking about the exact same thing. Why does this just not work...?

 

[Illuminatus]

... Or you having anything to say!

Now, now. Many people have refuted the water canopy concept. You somehow expect us, though, to accept your theory that any inconsistencies in your pseudo-scientific model can reasonably be explained away by "Oh, but the laws of physics then aren't the laws of physics now." Might as well say that the African god Bumba sneezed out the present physical configuration of the universe.

 

[dad]

Now, now. Many people have refuted the water canopy concept. ....

Of course, all that means is that we know the present physical only world could not have been in place, or (it seems) there could not have been one. It is a clue. One piece in the puzzle! No one has refuted this canopy concept. Just because modern science has been around for a few hundred years doesn't mean things always have been as they found it, or will be! Their observations are necessarily limited. Then, to try to superimpose these present realities to an unknown past is pure conjecture! Especially when we have documented evidence it is otherwise!

 

[dad]

But we're talking about the exact same thing. Why does this just not work...?

Your picture was like a fairy tale to me. Didn't it have the sun somewhere else, and some kind of solid covering around the earth? There are several interpretations of what this firmament business means. Yours is only one.

 

[Numenor]

Where is this in the Bible? Chapter and verse please...

It's not

And that's that. dad now admits that he has no "physical box only" scientific evidence and nor does he have any scriptural evidence for this rubbish. He only has his own nonsensical daydreaming to substantiate this rot.

Thank you dad for finally admitting it, now kindly click here.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

No one has refuted this canopy concept. Just because modern science has been around for a few hundred years doesn't mean things always have been as they found it, or will be! Their observations are necessarily limited. Then, to try to superimpose these present realities to an unknown past is pure conjecture! Especially when we have documented evidence it is otherwise!

(emphasis mine)


Could you provide the peer-reviewed journal this research appears in, or even just the documentation you talk about (something tells me it's not in a journal)?

 

[DJ_Ghost]

This makes it entirely possible, as the merged laws were different. Presto- all arguements hitherto used against a canopy no longer valid!!! I like that. With science, then being neutered, this leaves only objections of a biblical nature to be a possible theory killer here.(?) But that's not going to happen, I am almost positive! So, evos, check, and MATE!!

Hardly check let alone mate. Your idea is premised on “if this is true I win the argument” and has neither scientific or biblical support. I’ve seen some desperate tactics in my time but this has to be the funniest.

Ghost