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Water canopy check, and mate!

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by dad, May 23, 2005.

  1. Douglaangu v2.0

    Douglaangu v2.0 Senior Member

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    Dad, could you please address this.
     
  2. Nathan Poe

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    I'll accept your hypothesis on the water canopy, and swear that it all makes perfect sense, but my research has shown one critical flaw in your idea.

    Accept this change to your idea, and I'll accept your canopy hypothesis.

    The canopy was, in fact, made entirely out of strawberry custard.

    Are you willing to accept the custard canopy theory, or are you stuck in the box?
     
  3. Battie

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    Sure it's like a fairy tale. But so is what you're saying. If you think that the laws of physics don't apply before the split, then why couldn't the stars have been stuck into a solid sky with an ocean above them? It explains perfectly where all that flood water came from after all. Are you yourself stuck in the box that you accuse science of being in?

    You're having a pretty hard time accepting that this model of the universe, even though it's pretty much the same as your own, was science to the Hebrews and other ancients. If you can't accept this model, then why are you so adamant that we accept a young earth? Like a solid sky, rotating, sun, and heavenly ocean, six day creation has been falsified by modern science.
     
  4. dad

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    No, your idea is premised on the box must be all there is, and we don't see it in the box, therefore no spiritual must exist, despite billions claiming otherwise! My ideas are rich with biblical support, just open up a bible, and try to prove me wrong, and see how you fare!!! Also, my ideas embrace and accept all physical science, so don't forget that!
    Guess where that leaves your post? Ha
     
  5. Ishmael Borg

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    If you are a creationist troll, and not an atheist troll posing as a creationist troll, then I'd have to tell you that the biblical support you allege for your ideas should be presented in another forum, along with your ideas. No evidence from physical science supports creationism, so you can't be correct in your last point.
     
  6. dad

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  7. dad

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  8. Freodin

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    What? You throw out physical science everywhere it does not suit you - and then you claim you "embrace and accept" it?

    In you endeavour to escape the "box", as you call it, you commit two grave mistakes.

    The first one is that you ignore that this "box" is the foundation of communication. We need to have a basis that we all can find to exchange ideas. It is not possible to simple state "well, it could be different, just as I need it, so your limits don´t apply to me".

    The second is that you don´t escape the "box" at all - you just withdraw into a box of you own. This box consists of a very limited and very individual interpretation of the Biblical texts.

    The problem that now arises from these two mistakes is what makes conversation with you so difficult - you assume that your box is the correct one, but as you are the only one sitting in it, you are inable to share your ideas with anyone else.

    As long as you cannot find a common ground with the people you talk to, your posts are just meaningless.

    And as long as you don´t accept that you don´t cross limits, but simple raise different limits, you won´t be able to find that common ground.
     
  9. dad

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    All I admit could be wrong, is that the split took some time to happen. This does not affect creation, the spirit world, the bible as God's word, or anything else. But we have to work out an equation with known quantities, and the flood is one! How could it have happened, especially if it involved the fountains of the heaven opening, unless under the auspices of 'greater physics'? In other words, with the split that left us in a physical only world not having completely occured yet?
     
  10. Ishmael Borg

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    I know what you mean. It's like the Island of Misfit Toys. The Rudolph story references the North Pole, and I KNOW that's real, so the Rudolph story is fact in its entirety. So the fact that SCIENCE hasn't discovered the IoMT just shows you how INADEQUATE science is. Maybe Santa HIDES it from scientists who are on the BAD list. Santa delivers presents to the whole world in one night- what other 'greater physics' example can you need?
     
  11. dad

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    Of course it does! All of it. Unless we try to ignore that there is more at work, and limit all past and future to the tiny dimensions of physical only science! Perhaps you should look for a forum where atheism, and all it's specks, grannies, and dreamworld pasts can be discussed from only in box?
    When I look at science, and the bible, I see a harmonious duo. When I look at the known spirit world, and include it, I hear even more beutiful music.
    Einstein ran up against some problems he never could figure out. How do we explain quantum physics, and relativity? The quest for the grand unifying theory. Well, folks, this is it! The spirit world is real, and explains the things the physical alone never never will be able to do by itself!
     
  12. Nathan Poe

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    Are you even trying anymore?

    How sad; You only see what's in the Bible.

    You're trapped in a Bible-shaped box, and perhaps you'll understand why nobody chooses to crawl in with you.
     
  13. Ishmael Borg

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    Science is agnostic. It doesn't care about your magic grandpa in the sky, and it doesn't deny his existence either. This forum is for the science box, I'm proud to say. Take your magic-sky-grandpa-box delusions elsewhere.
     
  14. dad

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  15. Douglaangu v2.0

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    But not that your falliable interpretation of the bible could be?

    What intergrity you must have.
    Oh, but it does. Its obvious that many many christians disagree with your interpretation, yet you refuse to admit that you might be wrong about it.

    Its not known. Its claimed to have occured, in the face on physical evidence (even in 'the box' you would expect there to be some remanants)

    It didn't happen thats how.
    Of course, using 'in the box' science, it has been discovered that a large flood occured in mesopotamia several thousand years ago.
    And your proof of this is?
     
  16. Freodin

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    Now that is interesting. I would like to see your explanation for this story.

    How could it be that humans would not burn in such an inferno, but rather escpate unscated?

    Could it be that the normal physical laws did not apply there?

    Could it be that this spiritual/physical split was still not completeted in Daniel´s time?
     
  17. dad

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    So, I refered to the firat magically appearing lifeform as 'Granny', or 'Grandma Bacteria' -and you now have a term as well. "magic-sky-grandpa". I assume this must be God? Well, we don't have to reject or ignore God to employ and enjoy science. We can have all the physical science men so far have discovered, and much more as well. True science is not at all agnostic! Only the measley little portion of the box. Even then, the only ones who try to keep God out of their little prison cell are those who want to. We all don't. We don't have to. Creation/science discussion including physical only based science portions, does not have to leave out the creator at all! If it did leave out the Raison D'etre-it would better fit in some paganistic pigion hole, rather than in a debate on creation. Especially one on a christian site! deal with it.
     
  18. dad

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    I very much doubt it. Same as in our day, there are miracles, or Jesus' day. My opinion of these types of things is a localized exception, or interference, or addition of spirit power. The difference is, with the split, the whole universe was affected. (How we see the stars, light, lightspeed, decay etc) In isolated events, the spirit is just added into the equation to affect a local outcome.
     
  19. Douglaangu v2.0

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    Oh good.
    Now I have someone I can blame bad weather on.
     
  20. Freodin

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    And what do you base this opinion on? How do you add "spirit" to the physical world, when physical and spiritual have been seperated?

    And why couldn´t the flood be such a "localized exception"?
     
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