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But for me and most other people; Sunday is our seventh day. Our working week commences on Monday.
Using Saturday as the day of rest, is out of kilter with our Calander system. Scripture does NOT say Saturday is the Sabbath, Just the Jews and the confused peoples.

There are far better things to do that worry about which day to call Sabbath.

We who have faith in Jesus Christ and keep the Commandments, have righteousness imputed to us. In the same way as Abraham's faith was imputed to him. Galatians 3:24-29

Matthew 5:19
 
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Wrong! About judging period. If it is wrong for someone to judge another about fasting/not fasting then it is certainly wrong for them to judges someone for anything.

That is not within the full context of the passage...sorry
 
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I showed what a nonsense it is to think you are observing the exact seventh Day in an unbroken sequence since Creation.
The earth is a globe and the dawn comes as the earth rotates. Therefore, how can anyone say; This day is the Sabbath, when on the other side, it isn't?

Plainly, obviously, we CAN choose which 7th day to observe our Sabbath rest. It is simply illogical and impossible to promote a worldwide Sabbath Day.
SDA believers would be well advised to concentrate their energies on evangelizing, as their insistence on Saturday rest and worship day, makes them a laughing stock.
Is it nonsense to obey God the way He asks? What is really nonsensical is to think God would give us a commandment, that we would not know how to keep, this actually is an attack on God’s character. People seem to locate Sunday just fine, the Sabbath is the last day of the week and has and will never change.

I think you’re wrong that God doesn’t care about the day we worship Him. The story of Cain and Abel comes to mind. One worshiped God the way He asked, the other the way he wanted and we know the result, one was marked by God, God’s person persecuted, seems like a theme repeated in scripture.

We are called to worship Him in Truth and Spirit John 4:23-24 and Jesus said not to worship Him in vain by keeping man’s traditions over the commandments of God quoting right from the Ten Commandments. Matthew 15:3-9

End times is about worship- do we worship the beast or worship God- unless we are grounded in God’s Word one is not going to be able to tell the difference as the devil deceives the whole world and even the elect if possible. God is callings us out of our false teaching- come out of Babylon Revelation 14 that have been handed down and the antidote so we don’t worship the beast is keeping God’s commandments and faith in Jesus. Revelation 14:12

This is the Sabbath commandment the way God wrote it with His own finger. Exodus 31:18 To think one could improve on what God asks is really deceiving oneself.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

This is what man has done to His Sabbath commandment despite God’s clear instruction to not add or subtract to His commandments.

You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 4:2


8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day (the day of our choice) is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Do you really think God does not care and we should worship Him on a day assigned to God by man that is a day to do work and labor instead of the day God commanded us to keep holy. The only day God blessed and sanctified and is God’s holy day in easy to understand scripture. Isaiah 58:13

The choice should be easy, but sadly we are told the majority will be deceived.
 
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Evening and morning...you observe where you are. It is only illogical TO YOU. That is what the Sabbath is...a never ending 7 day cycle.

The really nice thing about living in the far north or south on this planet is that in winter the amount of sunlight during the daytime hours is exceedingly limited. The downside is that the sunlight hours during the summer are virtually endless.

This posed a problem for the Puritans when they emigrated to New England. They firmly attempted to obey God's commandments, one of which is that kindling a fire on the Sabbath is a sin worthy of death. They would spend the Sabbath in their meetinghouses listening to preaching all day, with a break for a cold lunch. In the winter, the temperatures were much colder than in Old England, and there were serious cases of freezing and frostbite as a result.
 
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That is not within the full context of the passage...sorry
Ooops.
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
 
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Is it nonsense to obey God the way He asks? What is really nonsensical is to think God would give us a commandment, that we would not know how to keep, this actually is an attack on God’s character. People seem to locate Sunday just fine, the Sabbath is the last day of the week and has and will never change.
God Commanded us to observe the seventh day as a rest and worship day. He did not specify which day it had to be on, just every seventh day.
The arguments of the SDA Church for that day to be Saturday, are untenable and simply makes them look foolish.
The Rule is: Work for six days, then have a day off. It works for everyone: shift workers, firemen, soldiers, etc and the day of rest can be any of the 7 days.
 
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God Commanded us to observe the seventh day as a rest and worship day. He did not specify which day it had to be on, just every seventh day.
The arguments of the SDA Church for that day to be Saturday, are untenable and simply makes them look foolish.
The Rule is: Work for six days, then have a day off. It works for everyone: shift workers, firemen, soldiers, etc and the day of rest can be any of the 7 days.
The seventh day is traced back to Creation. Days 1-6 are working days and the seventh day is the Sabbath. Genesis 1, Genesis 2:1-3 The cycle has never changed. We should place our faith in God that if He is going to give us a commandment, we can keep it the way He asks and God is in charge of His holy Sabbath day, that has never changed.

Just like Jesus did not rise on the second day, He rose on the first day and kept the Sabbath even in death. Your argument appears to be with the text and this all gets sorted out soon enough.
 
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God Commanded us to observe the seventh day as a rest and worship day. He did not specify which day it had to be on, just every seventh day.
The arguments of the SDA Church for that day to be Saturday, are untenable and simply makes them look foolish.
The Rule is: Work for six days, then have a day off. It works for everyone: shift workers, firemen, soldiers, etc and the day of rest can be any of the 7 days.
Amen! The calendar has been changed. We have no way of knowing if today's Saturday is the same day as it was in the first century.
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Amen! The calendar has been changed. We have no way of knowing if today's Saturday is the same day as it was in the first century.
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Hi,
I appreciate your thoughts but to me God’s Word is the Authority.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

We are commanded to keep the Sabbath holy that God said is on the seventh-day. God would not give us a commandment to keep, if it was something that couldn’t be done. What kind of God is that? Not the one I serve.

God also said “Remember” because He knew most people would forget. There are millions of Sabbath-keepers who have figured out a way to obey this commandment just the way God instructed.

Happy Sabbath!
 
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The Ten Commandments expanded by Jesus:

Exodus 20:3-17:

1/ You shall have no other gods before Me.

It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve.

Luke 4:8, Matthew 4:10, Rev. 14:7

2/ You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.

God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.

John 4:24, Acts 15:20, 1 Cor. 6:9, Ephesians 5:5, 1 Peter 4:3, 1 John 5:21, Rev. 2:14

3/ You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.

I say to you: do not swear at all…let your yes be yes and your no be no, for whatever is more than these is from the evil one. Matthew 5:34-37, 1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7

4/ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. Mark 2:27-28

For Christians that seventh day is Sunday, as the first day of our week is Monday. Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2

5/ Honour your father and mother.

Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. Ephesians 6:1, Col 3:20

6/ You shall not murder.

I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.

Matthew 5:44-45, Matt. 5:21-26, Romans 13:9, 1 Tim. 1:9, 1 John 3:15

7/ You shall not commit adultery.

I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4

8/ You shall not steal.

Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom.

1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28

9/ You shall not bear false witness.

For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Colossians3:9

10/ You shall not covet your neighbours possessions.

Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses.

Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5

Further New Testament scriptures:

John 1:17 The Law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Luke 16:16a The Law and the prophets were until John the Baptizer, now the good news of the Kingdom is preached...

Matthew 5:17 I have come not to abolish the Law, but to fulfil it.

Romans 6:15 Can we sin then because we are not under the Law? God forbid!

Galatians 5:14 The whole Law is fulfilled in this: You shall love your neighbour as yourself.

Are the Ten Commandments still in effect? In principal they still are. Those Ten Commandments are restated and expanded by Jesus, we must obey them and do God’s will for us today. Matthew 5:20, 1 Peter 2:16
The ancient churches as well as most modern ones until recently have upheld the TCs as still obligatory under the new covenant. The difference is that now, by the Spirit, united with God, under grace, we have the power or ability to accomplish what we could not while under the law.
For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.” Rom 8:3-4
 
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Hi,
I appreciate your thoughts but to me God’s Word is the Authority.
Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
We are commanded to keep the Sabbath holy that God said is on the seventh-day. God would not give us a commandment to keep, if it was something that couldn’t be done. What kind of God is that? Not the one I serve.
God also said “Remember” because He knew most people would forget. There are millions of Sabbath-keepers who have figured out a way to obey this commandment just the way God instructed.
Happy Sabbath!
I think I have asked this question before and don't recall getting a response. I don't mind waiting I know this is your Sabbath.
How would the former pagan Christians in Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi, Colossae, Thessalonika, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea etc. know to observe the Sabbath when they are never told to do so or told how in the entire NT? And most people could not afford to buy a copy of any available NT books or letters and gentiles could not have obtained copies of the O.T.. Jews were forbidden to teach Torah to gentiles on pain of death.
 
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What commandments? They have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15, Jesus nailed them to his cross, Colossians 2:14. This is why Paul wrote, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness, for those that believe" Romans 10:4. Christians don't keep laws, and rules, they are led by the Holy Spirit, Romans 6:14. To be under the law is to be under the curse, Galatians 3:10.
And yet rightoeousess is still obligatory for man under the new covenant. So Christ is the end of the law for that purpose since the law could only testify to that righteousness (Rom 3:21) but never accomplish it (Rom 8:3). Now we can finally accomplish it, by the Spirit He gives us as we turn to Him in faith.

"Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God."
Rom 8:12-14

Jesus did not come to abolish tha law but to fulfill it, so we may fullfill it as well, the right way, the only way, His way, the way we were meant to be: in union with Him.
 
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I think I have asked this question before and don't recall getting a response. I don't mind waiting I know this is your Sabbath.
How would the former pagan Christians in Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi, Colossae, Thessalonika, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea etc. know to observe the Sabbath when they are never told to do so or told how in the entire NT? And most people could not afford to buy a copy of any available NT books or letters and gentiles could not have obtained copies of the O.T.. Jews were forbidden to teach Torah to gentiles on pain of death.

Let's take a look at the messages to the seven churches. Ephesus, for instance.

Revelation 2:1-4 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Also, Thyatira.

Revelation 2:18-19 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
What is the patience that Jesus is speaking of?

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The commandments of God include the Sabbath. In other words, the churches knew to keep the Sabbath. We find mention of Jesus and the apostles keeping the Sabbath regularly. They taught on the Sabbath.

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Acts 13:14
But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Acts 13:27
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Acts 13:42
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44
And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Acts 16:13
And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Acts 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
By the end of the first century, when John wrote of the patience of the saints, the Sabbath was known to the Jews and the Gentiles.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
The gospel is still going to the world. The patience of the saints is still the keeping of the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
 
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Let's take a look at the messages to the seven churches. Ephesus, for instance.
Revelation 2:1-4 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
What is the patience that Jesus is speaking of?
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The commandments of God include the Sabbath. In other words, the churches knew to keep the Sabbath. We find mention of Jesus and the apostles keeping the Sabbath regularly. They taught on the Sabbath.
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Acts 13:14
But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Acts 13:27
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
Acts 13:42
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Acts 13:44
And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Acts 16:13
And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Acts 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
By the end of the first century, when John wrote of the patience of the saints, the Sabbath was known to the Jews and the Gentiles.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
The gospel is still going to the world. The patience of the saints is still the keeping of the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
You refused to answer my question then expect me to answer your questions. Tsk, tsk.
You also assume that I haven't read any of these.
Most of your out-of-context proof texts can be disregarded because Paul and his travelling companions were Jews and could and did go to the synagogues.
Luke 4:16 , Acts 13:14, Acts 13:27, Acts 15:21, Acts 16:13, Acts 17:2, Acts 18:4
Non-Jewish gentile Christians would not have been allowed in the synagogues unless they were Jewish proselytes. How do I know this? Jesus said it.
Matthew 10:16-18
(16) Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
(17) But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
(18) And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Matthew 23:34
(34) Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Luke 21:12
(12) But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
John 16:2
(2) They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
Evidently Jesus knew nothing of gentile Christians regularly attending synagogues with Jews.
Please show me any NT vs, 2 or more would be better, where gentile Christians were told when and how to observe the Sabbath? How could the former pagans in all the non-Jewish cities and countries mentioned in the NT, know how to observe the Sabbath when they were never told how?
 
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Jesus rose on the first day of the week

Matt
28 In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

So according to Keras we must now celebrate Easter on Monday
The ancient churches continued to teach that the ten commandments were obligatory, fulfillable finally by the Spirit, God's way, with His righteousness given us now. The change of the day had to do with this New Way, a new way of direct relationship with God and doing His will. This historical understanding and practice, as received at the beginning, is reflected in the following current teachings:

2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week" (Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; Jn 20:1). Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath (Mk 16:1; Mt 28:1), it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:

We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead. (St. Justin, I Apol. 67G 6,429 and 432)

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ (1 Cor 10:11):

Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death. (St. Ignatius of Antioch, CA. 100 AD, Ad Magn. 9,1:SCh 10,8)

2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all."109 Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.
 
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The ancient churches continued to teach that the ten commandments were obligatory, fulfillable finally by the Spirit, God's way, with His righteousness given us now. The change of the day had to do with this New Way, a new way of direct relationship with God and doing His will. This historical understanding and practice, as received at the beginning, is reflected in the following current teachings:

Can you please point to the scripture that says the 4th commandment changed to this New Way you’re referencing? God made it abundantly clear not to add or subtract to His commandments. Deuteronomy 4:2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

I am not sure how one can profess to be following the will of God when not following His explicit instructions to not add or subtract from His commandments.

God said the Sabbath and His holy day is the seventh day. Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13 so your statements appear not to reconcile with God’s Word.


2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week" (Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; Jn 20:1). Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath (Mk 16:1; Mt 28:1), it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:
Jesus did rise the first day of the week, but there is no record that Jesus changed the Sabbath day or changed the day of worship from the seventh day to the first day.

After Jesus died there was no change to the Sabbath commandment.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

This is the Sabbath commandment:

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

So as you can see the Sabbath commandment did not change after the death of Christ which is why there is no such scripture in the entire bible that says the Sabbath was changed to the first day. This was all added centuries later not by the authority of God.


We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead. (St. Justin, I Apol. 67G 6,429 and 432)


The Sabbath was changed outside the era of scripture in the year 300 by Constantine. There were many pagan traditions that were co-mingled with Christian teachings, one of those was the Sabbath. Sun worship became Sunday worship and slowly these and other non-Christian teachings started to be taught by the church.

The RRC admits they changed the Sabbath and not by biblical authority. Just a couple quotes of many similar. There is no scripture saying we can change anything scripture. No one has the authority to change a commandment of God written by God’s very own finger.

Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

So if one is keeping Sunday as the primary day of worship they are keeping a tradition of the Catholic Church. Jesus tells us to keep the commandments of God over the traditions of man. Matthew 15:3-9. There is no Sunday-keeping commandment, but there is for Sabbath keeping- written and spoken by God, that no man has authority over.

2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all."109 Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.

More opinions not derived from scripture. The church can not save, the church does not have authority to forgive sins, the church does not have authority to change one of God’s Commandments and our only safeguard so we are following God is to follow His Word.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

God has people in all churches and He is begging for His people to come out of Babylon Revelation 18:4, Revelation 14 and their false teachings as we are called to worship Him in Truth and Spirit. John 4:23-24
 
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You refused to answer my question then expect me to answer your questions. Tsk, tsk.
You also assume that I haven't read any of these.
Most of your out-of-context proof texts can be disregarded because Paul and his travelling companions were Jews and could and did go to the synagogues.
Luke 4:16 , Acts 13:14, Acts 13:27, Acts 15:21, Acts 16:13, Acts 17:2, Acts 18:4
Non-Jewish gentile Christians would not have been allowed in the synagogues unless they were Jewish proselytes. How do I know this? Jesus said it.
Matthew 10:16-18
(16) Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
(17) But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
(18) And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Matthew 23:34
(34) Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Luke 21:12
(12) But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
John 16:2
(2) They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
Evidently Jesus knew nothing of gentile Christians regularly attending synagogues with Jews.
Please show me any NT vs, 2 or more would be better, where gentile Christians were told when and how to observe the Sabbath? How could the former pagans in all the non-Jewish cities and countries mentioned in the NT, know how to observe the Sabbath when they were never told how?

The Gentiles were learning about all of the gospel including the Sabbath

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Notice it does not say they were peached to the next day on the first day, becuase there is no change to the Sabbath commandment.

Jesus clearly tells us the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark 2:27 which brings us back to Creation when God made man on the sixth day before Jew or Gentile and just man. Genesis 1:26 right before the first Sabbath Genesis 2:1-3

There is no Jew or Gentile if one is in Christ, just God’s people and God’s people keep God’s Sabbath.
Galataians 3:26-29, Hebrews 8:10-12, Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 20L20
 
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* * * Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50
So if one is keeping Sunday as the primary day of worship they are keeping a commandment of the Catholic Church. Jesus tells us to keep the commandments of God over the traditions of man. Matthew 15:3-9. There is no Sunday-keeping commandment, but there is for Sabbath keeping- written and spoken by God, that no man has authority over
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Wrong! I saw this major false information, so I had to respond.
There was no institution known as the "Catholic church," with a "Pope" in Rome, in charge of the whole church until the 1075 when Gregory, the presiding bishop of Rome, unilaterally appointed himself as the head of the entire church.

The church began worshipping on Sunday almost a 1000 years earlier,
Justin Martyr The First apology, [A.D. 110-165.]
Chap. LXVII But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration....
And on the day called Sunday,76 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things.
 
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Wrong! I saw this major false information, so I had to respond.
There was no institution known as the "Catholic church," with a "Pope" in Rome, in charge of the whole church until the 1075 when Gregory, the presiding bishop of Rome, unilaterally appointed himself as the head of the entire church.

The church began worshipping on Sunday almost a 1000 years earlier,
Justin Martyr The First apology, [A.D. 110-165.]
Chap. LXVII But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration....
And on the day called Sunday,76 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things.
Pagan Rome turned into Papacy Rome. It was centuries after the biblical era when the Sabbath changed, not in biblical times, which is why no once can produce scripture stating so, but instead we have warning that the Sabbath would be changed but not by God. Daniel 7:25 The apostles all taught every Sabbath to Jews, Gentiles and whole cities Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44, Acts 17:4, Acts 18:4 and Paul warned us that savage wolves would come in after he dies not sparing the flock, which is exactly what happened from early Christian history.

According to other sources the pope was way before 1075

Bishops of Rome under Constantine the Great - Wikipedia
 
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The Gentiles were learning about all of the gospel including the Sabbath
Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Notice it does not say they were peached to the next day on the first day, becuase there is no change to the Sabbath commandment.
Jesus clearly tells us the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark 2:27 which brings us back to Creation when God made man on the sixth day before Jew or Gentile and just man. Genesis 1:26 right before the first Sabbath Genesis 2:1-3
There is no Jew or Gentile if one is in Christ, just God’s people and God’s people keep God’s Sabbath.
Galataians 3:26-29, Hebrews 8:10-12, Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 20L20
Nonsense! Do you believe the words of Jesus I quoted? Yes or no!
The gentiles begged that the gospel be preached to them the next sabbath because that was the day that Paul preached. Acts 16:13

And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Why the riverside, why only women? Why were they not in the synagogue? The women were probably gentiles at the river washing clothes. That's where the water was.
I am waiting for some NT scripture written to all the Christian churches telling them when and how to observe the Sabbath. 1-2 vss. in Revelation does not show that any other church anywhere had the same experience. Unless all the churches were specifically told they could not do it.
 
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