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The really nice thing about living in the far north or south on this planet is that in winter the amount of sunlight during the daytime hours is exceedingly limited. The downside is that the sunlight hours during the summer are virtually endless.

This posed a problem for the Puritans when they emigrated to New England. They firmly attempted to obey God's commandments, one of which is that kindling a fire on the Sabbath is a sin worthy of death. They would spend the Sabbath in their meetinghouses listening to preaching all day, with a break for a cold lunch. In the winter, the temperatures were much colder than in Old England, and there were serious cases of freezing and frostbite as a result.

And? You would still know what day is shabbat and the time...yes? Lots of people make up things regarding the Sabbath, including Jews, that are not within the law.
 
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Ooops.
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

No ooops, what is your point? Your passage above has nothing to do with what we were discussing in the other passage regarding fasting. You are TRYING to say it is, but it isn't...some Colossians were practicing a mix of paganism, Jewish mysticism, Greek thought and gnostic Christianity. This group was judging those who did not do as they did.
 
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You mention Christ's example in relation to our keeping of the law. I offer the following observations.

1. Christ did not keep scores of Old Testament commandments simply for the reason that they were inapplicable to Him. For example, all of the commandments related to females. Therefore, women are now to follow His example and ignore the Law, especially those commandments related to females in particular.

In 1 Peter 2:21-22, we are instruction to follow Christ's example of refraining from sin. Obviously, he was not saying that women need to follow Christ's example of laws that are specific to men or that women don't need to follow the laws that are specific to women because Christ didn't set an example of following those laws,

2. Christ did keep many commandments which were since determined to be inapplicable to Gentile believers. For example, He was circumcised, but the Council in Jerusalem determined that circumcision need not be enforced on Gentiles. Jesus kept the dietary law, but the Council in Jerusalem relaxed the dietary law for Gentiles.

Either there are correct or incorrect purposes for becoming circumcised and Paul and the Jerusalem Council only spoke against incorrect purposes, or according to Galatians 5:2, Paul caused Christ to be of no value to Timothy when he had him circumcised right after the Jerusalem Council (Acts 16:3), and Christ is of no value to roughly 80% of the men in the US. In Acts 15:1, they were wanting to require all Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved, however, that was never the purpose for which God commanded circumcision, so the Jerusalem Council upheld God's law by correctly ruling against requiring circumcision for an incorrect purpose, which should not be mistaken as ruling against Gentiles obeying what God has commanded as if the Jerusalem Council had the authority to countermand God.

3. Jesus added to the Law, specifically by giving his disciples his "new commandment". This is directly related to His new covenant, which, according to the letter to the Hebrews, differs vastly from the old covenant.

In Deuteronomy 4:2, it is a sin to add to or subtract from the law, so suggest that he added a brand new commandment is to say that he sinned and therefore to deny that he is our Savior. However, the word "new" can refer to new in time or to new in quality, and in John 13:34, it uses the word kainos, which refers to new in quality. So Jesus was not sinning by adding a brand new law, but rather he was speaking about the quality to the law.

3501 /néos ("new on the scene") suggests something "new in time" – in contrast to its near-synonym (2537 /kainós, "new in quality").

In order to correctly understand how to obey the command to love our neighbor as ourselves we need to know how we should love ourselves and the answer to that is that we should love ourselves as Jesus loves us, and should therefore love our neighbor as he loves us. So Jesus was not teaching something different than the Mosaic Covenant. Jesus did not establish the New Covenant until the end of his ministry, so everything that he taught up until that point was in regard to how to correctly obey the Torah under the Mosaic Covenant, and he did not establish the New Covenant for the purpose of undermining anything that he spent his ministry teaching, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Jeremiah 31:33).

Concerning slavery, I am not familiar with the term "colonial slavery". It seems to me that the Romans certainly practiced it, or something very like it. If that is true, then God never condemned it and, in fact, Paul upheld it by giving instructions for slaves and masters.

By "colonial slavery", I was referring to the African slave trade when British and American colonies were being established, which the slavery that is in the Bible is very different from that and is much closer to indentured servitude.
 
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Have you ever heard of "paragraphs?"

Yes, I have heard of paragraphs, though my sentences were related.

Please show me where gentile Christians were taught what the Sabbath is and were commanded to observe it and how to observe it.

Christ set a sinless example of how to practice Judaism by living in sinless obedience to the Torah, including keeping the Sabbath holy, so people can look at the Torah that he taught and decide whether or not to become his follower, but people can't follow him by refusing to follow the Torah. Jesus commissioned his disciples to teach the nations everything that he taught them and Gentiles are required to refrain from sin, which is the transgression of the Torah, which includes the command to keep the Sabbath holy.

In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, which includes keeping God's Sabbath holy (Leviticus 19:2-3). As followers of God, we should seek to live in a way that represents the nature of who he is, which included representing God as being holy by following His instructions for how to have a holy conduct, and we should seek to avoid bearing false witness against God by representing Him as not being holy by not having a holy conduct. What is holy to God should not be profaned by man, so we would still be obligated to keep the Sabbath holy even if God had never commanded anyone to do that.

Not only would very few of the people at that time have copies of the gospels and epistles almost none would have the O.T.

The Gospels were first spread by word and by example rather than through text.

1906 Jewish Encyclopedia -Gentiles May Not Be Taught the Torah.
Inasmuch as the Jews had their own distinct jurisdiction, it would have been unwise to reveal their laws to the Gentiles, for such knowledge might have operated against the Jews in their opponents' courts. Hence the Talmud prohibited the teaching to a Gentile of the Torah, "the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob" (Deut. xxxiii. 4). R. Johanan says of one so teaching: "Such a person deserves death."
Resh Laḳish (d. 278) said, "A Gentile observing the Sabbath deserves death" (Sanh. 58b). This refers to a Gentile who accepted the seven laws of the Noachidæ, inasmuch as "the Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel alone," and it was probably directed against the Christian Jews, who disregarded the Mosaic laws and yet at that time kept up the observance of the Jewish Sabbath.
"not even on Mondays [is the Gentile allowed to rest]"; intimating that the mandate given to the Noachidæ that "day and night shall not cease" (
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="have no rest ") should be taken in a literal sense (Gen. viii. 22)
"The Torah outlawed the issue of a Gentile as that of a beast" (Miḳ. viii. 4, referring to Ezek. l.c.).
"The wise among the heathen is called and must be honored as a wise man" (Meg. 16a), is one of Johanan's sayings, though he is also the author of another which holds that, as the Torah was given as a heritage to Israel, a non-Israelite deserves death if he studies it (Sanh. 59a).
GENTILE - JewishEncyclopedia.com

From the same article:

"The "stranger," whether merely a visitor ("ger") or a resident ("ger toshab"), was placed under the protection of the Law, though possibly a distinction was made between the transient and the permanent stranger; from the former, for instance, interest could be taken and a debt was collectable even in the Year of Release. But God was said to love the stranger (Deut. x. 18; Ps. cxlvi. 9). The native-born was required to love him (Lev. xix. 33-34). Recourse to the courts was open to him (Ex. xxii. 21, xxiii. 9; Deut. xxiv. 17, xxvii. 19). "One law and one statute" was to apply to native and stranger alike (Lev. xxiv. 22; Num. ix. 14; xv. 16, 29; Ex. xii. 49). But of the stranger it was expected thathe would forego the worship of idols (Lev. xx. 2; Ezek. xiv. 7) and the practise of sorcery, incest, or other abominations (Lev. xviii. 26), and that he would refrain from eating blood (Lev. xvii. 10), from working on Sabbath (Ex. xx. 10, xxiii. 12), from eating leavened bread on Pesaḥ (Ex. xii. 19), and from violating Yom ha-Kippurim (Lev. xvi. 29). For other provisions concerning the stranger, or non-Jew ("goi"), see Lev. xvii. 8; xxiv. 16, 22; Num. xv. 14, xxxv. 15; Deut. xiv. 21; xvi. 11, 14)."

"Maimonides, who says: "The principle is, one is not permitted to make innovations in religion or to create new commandments. He has the privilege to become a true proselyte by accepting the whole Law" ("Yad," Melakim, x. 9). R."
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So there is room for Gentiles to be blessed by repenting, obeying the Torah, becoming proselytes, and becoming followers of Christ in accordance with promise though spreading the Gospel message.

Nothing that you said in post #32 interacted with what I said in post #29 or #33.
 
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Yes, I have heard of paragraphs, though my sentences were related.
Christ set a sinless example of how to practice Judaism by living in sinless obedience to the Torah, including keeping the Sabbath holy, so people can look at the Torah that he taught and decide whether or not to become his follower, but people can't follow him by refusing to follow the Torah. Jesus commissioned his disciples to teach the nations everything that he taught them and Gentiles are required to refrain from sin, which is the transgression of the Torah, which includes the command to keep the Sabbath holy.
In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, which includes keeping God's Sabbath holy (Leviticus 19:2-3). As followers of God, we should seek to live in a way that represents the nature of who he is, which included representing God as being holy by following His instructions for how to have a holy conduct, and we should seek to avoid bearing false witness against God by representing Him as not being holy by not having a holy conduct. What is holy to God should not be profaned by man, so we would still be obligated to keep the Sabbath holy even if God had never commanded anyone to do that.
The Gospels were first spread by word and by example rather than through text.

From the same article:
"The "stranger," whether merely a visitor ("ger") or a resident ("ger toshab"), was placed under the protection of the Law, though possibly a distinction was made between the transient and the permanent stranger; from the former, for instance, interest could be taken and a debt was collectable even in the Year of Release. But God was said to love the stranger (Deut. x. 18; Ps. cxlvi. 9). The native-born was required to love him (Lev. xix. 33-34). Recourse to the courts was open to him (Ex. xxii. 21, xxiii. 9; Deut. xxiv. 17, xxvii. 19). "One law and one statute" was to apply to native and stranger alike (Lev. xxiv. 22; Num. ix. 14; xv. 16, 29; Ex. xii. 49). But of the stranger it was expected thathe would forego the worship of idols (Lev. xx. 2; Ezek. xiv. 7) and the practise of sorcery, incest, or other abominations (Lev. xviii. 26), and that he would refrain from eating blood (Lev. xvii. 10), from working on Sabbath (Ex. xx. 10, xxiii. 12), from eating leavened bread on Pesaḥ (Ex. xii. 19), and from violating Yom ha-Kippurim (Lev. xvi. 29). For other provisions concerning the stranger, or non-Jew ("goi"), see Lev. xvii. 8; xxiv. 16, 22; Num. xv. 14, xxxv. 15; Deut. xiv. 21; xvi. 11, 14)."
"Maimonides, who says: "The principle is, one is not permitted to make innovations in religion or to create new commandments. He has the privilege to become a true proselyte by accepting the whole Law" ("Yad," Melakim, x. 9). R."
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So there is room for Gentiles to be blessed by repenting, obeying the Torah, becoming proselytes, and becoming followers of Christ in accordance with promise though spreading the Gospel message.
Nothing that you said in post #32 interacted with what I said in post #29 or #33.
A lot of copy pasting, none of which shows that the 12 countries and 63 non-Jewish cities listed in the NT were ever provided with all the laws and commandments they were required to comply with.
You said, "Jesus commissioned his disciples to teach the nations everything that he taught them." When did it happen? I want to see it written down. I have read and taught through the Bible more than once. And I have never seen any NT writing which does what you claim.
 
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Sorry, I am not sure which of your posts you are referring to. Your first post in this thread is #10, while you were responding to my post #4, so how could I respond to a post you had not yet written?
In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the nations, and God’s law is how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), which includes the command to keep the Sabbath holy (Exodus 20:8-11), so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel message. Furthermore in Matthew 24:12-14, Jesus prophesied that this Gospel would be proclaimed to all nations and in Matthew 28:16-20, he commissioned it to be spread to the nations. In addition, Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God’s law, including keeping the Sabbath holy, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be imitators of Paul as he is an imitator of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1). In Acts 15 and 21, they did not rule that Gentile should refuse to follow the law that Christ spent his ministry teaching us to follow by word and by example and that Gentiles should reject the Gospel outside of a handful of commands, and even if they had ruled against Gentiles following Christ, then we should follow Christ instead of them. Even if Gentiles had no obligation to walk in God’s way in accordance with the promise, Gentiles should seek to have the delight of getting to do that. God’s word should not be interpreted as speaking against obeying God’s word.
Not one verse in the entire NT which directs non-Jewish Christians to observe the Sabbath and certainly not how. No command not to work on the Sabbath. No command to not light a fire. No command to not carry a burden.
How would the former pagans at "1Peter 5:13 The church that is at Babylon" know anything about the Sabbath unless they were specifically told? Since this point is so important that countless Sabbatarians get online and argue it incessantly, why were there no similarly motivated Sabbatarians during the time the NT was written?
 
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Even after Jesus died His people still kept the Sabbath commandment.
They were Jews, weren't they?

The Sabbath is part of God's law, written personally by God Exodus 31:18 spoken by God Exodus 20, so this argument is not with man.
So is not eating lobster. Those laws were given to the Jews, and most Christians are not Jews. If your conscience leads you to keep theSabbath, you should. Mine does not.
 
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Perhaps you can find the scripture that says the Sabbath is the holy day of the Jews.
The one where it doesn't say it was given to anyone but the Jews.

God said the Sabbath is the holy day of the Lord thy God
He said it to the Jews, not Gentiles.

There is no such commandment for Sunday or first-day keeping in scripture, but there is for Sabbath-keeping, written by God and we are told not to add or subtract from His commandments.
Correct, there is no commandment that says you must observe the Lord's Day. Rather a shame not to, though, isn't it?
 
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Scripture does NOT say that. It specifically says the 7th day is holy and is the Sabbath. it does not say you can pick any day you want to...
It never said anything to Gentiles at all, and there's no indication at all that the Gentile Church ever kept the Law except those parts of it that forbade things they they considered malum in se or that were taught in the New Testament. They were not taught not to eat lobsters, to forbear from trimming their beards, or to keep Shabbos.
 
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Any believer is free to observe the Sabbath if they choose to but the Sabbath was specifically given to the children of Israel as an everlasting covenant. This is the only commandment so designated.
Exodus 31:16
(16) Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Leviticus 24:8
(8) Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.
 
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What is really nonsensical is to think God would give us a commandment, that we would not know how to keep, this actually is an attack on God’s character.
Except that He didn't give that commandment to us, He gave it to the Jews, which most of us are not.

Notice what's conspicuous by its absence in the Council of Jerusalem's leter to the Gentile belevers:

Acts 15 (All emphasis mine)
22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:
31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.

No commdment to keep the Sabbath. None. Read all of Acts 15 and satisfy yourself that I haven't doctored the quote. I 'spect that's a chapter that isn't read much in your church.
 
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The one where it doesn't say it was given to anyone but the Jews.

He said it to the Jews, not Gentiles.

Correct, there is no commandment that says you must observe the Lord's Day. Rather a shame not to, though, isn't it?
And what day does God identify in scripture as His holy day?

This is easy as it came directly from the mouth of God.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God
Isaiah 58:13 If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight
and the Lord’s holy day honorable,
and if you honor it by not going your own way
and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,

I truly don't think God could have made it clearer which day is His day i.e., the Lords Day and it is not the day man assigned to God that God deemed a day to do work and labor. Exodus 20:9

God only made one day holy, that's the day He blessed and sanctified for holy use, the seventh day Sabbath Genesis 2:1-3.

There is no covenant God made with the Gentiles, just with Israel. There is no Jew or Greek in God's new covenant just God's people and God's people keeps the Sabbath Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 20:20 and the commandments of God Revelation 14:12, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 22:14 because they are written in the heart and mind of the New Covenant believer. Hebrews 8:10-12
 
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Pagan Rome turned into Papal Rome and does not change the fact the the RCC takes credit for changing God’s holy Sabbath day.
Nope, we just don't have to keep it. You can if you like, but it's optional for Gentiles. Never given to us, you see. Christians ought to keep the Lord's Day, for obvious reasons.
 
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And what day does God identify in scripture as His holy day?
And to whom did He identify it as such? When did my kinfolk in Korea hear about it?

This is easy as it came directly from the mouth of God.
And He didn't say it to everybody. He was quite specific about it.

I truly don't think God could have made it clearer which day is His day
As clear as is the summer sun - to those to whom He said it. Which wasn't us.

God only made one day holy, that's the day He blessed and sanctified for holy use, the seventh day Sabbath Genesis 2:1-3.
To the Jews.

There is no covenant God made with the Gentiles, just with Israel.
Precisely. Read Acts 15 and get back to me.
 
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And what day does God identify in scripture as His holy day?
This is easy as it came directly from the mouth of God.
Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God
Isaiah 58:13 If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight
and the Lord’s holy day honorable,
and if you honor it by not going your own way
and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,
I truly don't think God could have made it clearer which day is His day i.e., the Lords Day and it is not the day man assigned to God that God deemed a day to do work and labor. Exodus 20:9
God only made one day holy, that's the day He blessed and sanctified for holy use, the seventh day Sabbath Genesis 2:1-3.
There is no covenant God made with the Gentiles, just with Israel. There is no Jew or Greek in God's new covenant just God's people and God's people keeps the Sabbath Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 20:20 and the commandments of God Revelation 14:12, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 22:14 because they are written in the heart and mind of the New Covenant believer. Hebrews 8:10-12
You ignored my post above.
There is no question, no doubt that the commandments you listed above are given by God. But there are 12 countries and 63 cities mentioned in the New Testament, when were these commandments specifically given to those cites and countries? People can't obey commandments they know nothing about.
I do not know of a single verse in the N.T. which states that the Sabbath begins at sunset on Saturday or Parasceue/preparation as it is shown in the NT.
There is not one single mention in the NT of not carrying burdens or lighting fires on the Sabbath.
In the early '80s one of my co-workers was a retired NY city police officer. He was a hostage negotiator at the actual "Dog Day Afternoon" incident. He said that when he was a patrolman in the Jewish section of NYC housewives would often stop him late Friday afternoon and ask him to turn off the stove in their dwelling.
 
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You ignored my post above.
There is no question, no doubt that the commandments you listed above are given by God. But there are 12 countries and 63 cities mentioned in the New Testament, when were these commandments specifically given to those cites and countries? People can't obey commandments they know nothing about.
I do not know of a single verse in the N.T. which states that the Sabbath begins at sunset on Saturday or Parasceue/preparation as it is shown in the NT.
There is not one single mention in the NT of not carrying burdens or lighting fires on the Sabbath.
In the early '80s one of my co-workers was a retired NY city police officer. He was a hostage negotiator at the actual "Dog Day Afternoon" incident. He said that when he was a patrolman in the Jewish section of NYC housewives would often stop him late Friday afternoon and ask him to turn off the stove in their dwelling.
The Sabbath is mentioned over 50 times in the New Testament and just as revered as in the Old Testament. It's one of God's eternal Ten Commandments, written by the finger of God, spoken by God.

Jesus taught the Sabbath was made for man (humans) Mark 2:27 and He kept His Fathers commandments John 15:10 Jesus taught to keep the commandments of God over man's traditions Matthew 15:3-9 and Jesus taught not to break the least of the commandments Matthew 5:19 and taught If you love Me keep My commandments John 14:15 which is what God taught Exodus 20:6 because Jesus came to do the will of the Father. We are told to follow the example of Jesus 1 John 2:6 who kept the Sabbath and all of the commandments Luke 4:16.

We have free will, to me keeping God's Sabbath commandment and honoring Him on His holy day like the scripture tells us to Isaiah 58:13, is an easy choice for me.

Funny how no one ever tries to use these same arguments for the other nine commandments. The Ten Commandments came in a unit of Ten Exodus 34:28, Exodus 20 that God placed together, so your argument is not really with me.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. 1 John 5:3 So for me I am keeping His commandments the way God wrote and spoke them. Exodus 20
 
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The Sabbath is mentioned over 50 times in the New Testament and just as revered as in the Old Testament. It's one of God's eternal Ten Commandments, written by the finger of God, spoken by God.
Jesus taught the Sabbath was made for man (humans)
Mark 2:27 and He kept His Fathers commandments John 15:10 Jesus taught to keep the commandments of God over man's traditions Matthew 15:3-9 and Jesus taught not to break the least of the commandments Matthew 5:19 and taught If you love Me keep My commandments John 14:15 which is what God taught Exodus 20:6 because Jesus came to do the will of the Father. We are told to follow the example of Jesus 1 John 2:6 who kept the Sabbath and all of the commandments Luke 4:16.
We have free will, to me keeping God's Sabbath commandment and honoring Him on His holy day like the scripture tells us to Isaha 58:13, is an easy choice for me.
Funny how no one ever tries to use these same arguments for the other nine commandments. The Ten Commandments came in a unit of Ten Exodus 34:28, Exodus 20 that God placed together, so your argument is not really with me.
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. 1 John 5:3 So for me I am keeping His commandments the way God wrote and spoke them. Exodus 20[
Good for you. It does NOT matter how many times you post this same thing. In NT times hand written documents were very expensive. Most people in NT times could not afford to buy very expensive copies of NT writings.
Virtually nobody who was not a Jew would have copies of any part of the O.T. Jews taught that anyone who taught a gentile the Torah was worthy of death and any gentile who studied Torah was worthy of death. See "Gentile" article,
JewishEncyclopedia.com
And as I previously said there is no record that anything you posted was ever specifically given to the 12 countries and 63 cities listed in the N.T. .How would former pagan Christians in Babylon know that the Sabbath begins at sunset on Saturday since there is no record that they were ever told.
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Can you please point to the scripture that says the 4th commandment changed to this New Way you’re referencing? God made it abundantly clear not to add or subtract to His commandments. Deuteronomy 4:2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Yes, and yet God can do whatever He wants. So, what makes you think that all His instructions, everything Jesus said and did, all teachings and traditions received by His disciples, were necessarily written? Scripture, itself, says otherwise. And why should/would they be? You have to understand that your argument is not just against Catholicism but the Eastern churches as well along with the ECFs-against history. And unless we're to believe that the gates of hell really did prevail against the church, at least until SDAs came alone, well...

The Sabbath debate was brought up by one more group, SDAs in this case, wishing to set themselves exclusively apart with another holier-than-thou gimmick, distracting from and maligning the true faith with various erroneous beliefs in the process.
The Sabbath was changed outside the era of scripture in the year 300 by Constantine. There were many pagan traditions that were co-mingled with Christian teachings, one of those was the Sabbath. Sun worship became Sunday worship and slowly these and other non-Christian teachings started to be taught by the church.
That is pure unscholarly, disingenuous contrived pap. Constantine made Sunday, as a matter of civil law, the day of rest in the empire. Christians welcomed this because now they could do legally what they’d been doing all along, secretly or with difficulty in any case since Sunday, the day of the sun, had been a regular day of work in the Roman Empire. And it had absolutely NOTHING to do with sun worship, which is why it just happens to be that the church has never taught anything having remotely to do with sun worship.
The RRC admits they changed the Sabbath and not by biblical authority. Just a couple quotes of many similar. There is no scripture saying we can change anything scripture. No one has the authority to change a commandment of God written by God’s very own finger.

Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.

—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?

Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?

Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

So if one is keeping Sunday as the primary day of worship they are keeping a tradition of the Catholic Church. Jesus tells us to keep the commandments of God over the traditions of man. Matthew 15:3-9. There is no Sunday-keeping commandment, but there is for Sabbath keeping- written and spoken by God, that no man has hority over.
They are keeping a Tradition of God. You’re only speculating, guessing, centuries and centuries after the fact. So, Justin Martyr, another ECF born in 100 AD, comments in line with early historical church practices and other ECFs:

Chapter 67. Weekly worship of the Christians

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.


“Scholars”, SDA, naturally, contest the authenticity of this paragraph even though it fits and flows seamlessly with the rest of the letter where the previous two paragraphs speak of the sacraments in general, then the Eucharist, likewise all consistent in thought with other ECFs. The writer’s arguments are pure, self-serving and convenient, shoddy fabrication while Martyr’s comments are simply, again, consistent with history and the rest of his work. Anyway, JWs have their scholars and Mormons have theirs and SDAs have theirs to support whatever presumptuous theology they wish to advance.

More opinions not derived from scripture. The church can not save, the church does not have authority to forgive sins, the church does not have authority to change one of God’s Commandments and our only safeguard so we are following God is to follow His Word.


Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.


God has people in all churches and He is begging for His people to come out of Babylon Revelation 18:4, Revelation 14 and their false teachings as we are called to worship Him in Truth and Spirit. John 4:23-24
Garbage- from a false prophetess who spewed it. The church does have the authority, based on the faith as she received and practiced it at the beginning.
 
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Yes, and yet God can do whatever He wants. So, what makes you think that all His instructions, everything Jesus said and did, all teachings and traditions received by His disciples, were necessarily written? .

This is quite easy because God's Word tells us not to go away from God's Word and not to change one Word in scripture or to His commandments.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
6 Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Deuteronomy 4:2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

There is only One Mediator between God and man and that person is not the RCC but Jesus Christ.

Christ For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,1 Timothy 2:5

Anyway, you might want to consider revising your post as it breaks several of the forum rules.

Take care.
 
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This is quite easy because God's Word tells us not to go away from God's Word and not to change one Word in scripture or to His commandments.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
6 Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Deuteronomy 4:2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

There is only One Mediator between God and man and that person is not the RCC but Jesus Christ.

Christ For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,1 Timothy 2:5

Anyway, you might want to consider revising your post as it breaks several of the forum rules.

Take care.
And who or what does the SDA church teach that Babylon is?
 
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