The Ten Commandments

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Have you ever heard of "paragraphs?"
Please show me where gentile Christians were taught what the Sabbath is and were commanded to observe it and how to observe it.
Not only would very few of the people at that time have copies of the gospels and epistles almost none would have the O.T.

1906 Jewish Encyclopedia -Gentiles May Not Be Taught the Torah.
Inasmuch as the Jews had their own distinct jurisdiction, it would have been unwise to reveal their laws to the Gentiles, for such knowledge might have operated against the Jews in their opponents' courts. Hence the Talmud prohibited the teaching to a Gentile of the Torah, "the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob" (Deut. xxxiii. 4). R. Johanan says of one so teaching: "Such a person deserves death."
Resh Laḳish (d. 278) said, "A Gentile observing the Sabbath deserves death" (Sanh. 58b). This refers to a Gentile who accepted the seven laws of the Noachidæ, inasmuch as "the Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel alone," and it was probably directed against the Christian Jews, who disregarded the Mosaic laws and yet at that time kept up the observance of the Jewish Sabbath.
"not even on Mondays [is the Gentile allowed to rest]"; intimating that the mandate given to the Noachidæ that "day and night shall not cease" (

="have no rest ") should be taken in a literal sense (Gen. viii. 22)
"The Torah outlawed the issue of a Gentile as that of a beast" (Miḳ. viii. 4, referring to Ezek. l.c.).
"The wise among the heathen is called and must be honored as a wise man" (Meg. 16a), is one of Johanan's sayings, though he is also the author of another which holds that, as the Torah was given as a heritage to Israel, a non-Israelite deserves death if he studies it (Sanh. 59a).
GENTILE - JewishEncyclopedia.com​

It is not taking into account gerim toshavim that may take on mitzvot as they advance to gerim tzaddikim...Acts 15

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I'm sure the Sabbatarians have an answer for that. Not a good answer but an answer.

It does not say the end of the law...it says the end of the law FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Interesting replies!
As usual, the Sabbath day is an issue. But it should not be, as the Commandment simply states that we must observe a seventh day of rest.
It doesn't matter which day we choose, in fact it is a mistake to go with Jewish traditions, or to promote Saturday as the exact seventh day since Creation. Both of those reasons are wrong, as Calander changes have made that calculation impossible.

My hope is that people can make use of how Jesus expanded on the Ten Commandments.
AND that an 'exam' for us all is coming, a test of our faith.

Scripture does NOT say that. It specifically says the 7th day is holy and is the Sabbath. it does not say you can pick any day you want to...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Are the 2 verses I quoted the word of God? Exodus 31:16, Leviticus 24:8

Romans 14:5-6
(5) One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
(6) He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.​

You are free to observe which day you choose. You are not free to beat people over the head with the Bible forcing them to accept your interpretation, no matter how sincerely you believe it.

That is all regarding fasting...the context is regarding eating or not eating and certain days...

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Interesting replies!
As usual, the Sabbath day is an issue. But it should not be, as the Commandment simply states that we must observe a seventh day of rest.
It doesn't matter which day we choose, in fact it is a mistake to go with Jewish traditions, or to promote Saturday as the exact seventh day since Creation. Both of those reasons are wrong, as Calander changes have made that calculation impossible.

My hope is that people can make use of how Jesus expanded on the Ten Commandments.
AND that an 'exam' for us all is coming, a test of our faith.

God is particular and He said the seventh day, not a day of our choice.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

 

[RobertPate]

It does not say the end of the law...it says the end of the law FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS...

Isn't one of the purposes of the law is to produce righteousness? I agree that the law is alive and well for unbelievers. They will be judged by it.

I still have not heard from the author of the opening post as to what this scripture means, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4.

 

[Der Alte]

It is not taking into account gerim toshavim that may take on mitzvot as they advance to gerim tzaddikim...Acts 15

That is all regarding fasting...the context is regarding eating or not eating and certain days...

And I'm sure the former pagan Christians in Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi, Thessalonika, Smyrna, Pergamum,Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea etc. Would have understood all of this instantly?

 

[Der Alte]

That is all regarding fasting...the context is regarding eating or not eating and certain days...

Guess again. Try reading them again, in context. Romans 14:1-10. You should pay particular attention to vs. 10.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Guess again. Try reading them again, in context. Romans 14:1-10. You should pay particular attention to vs. 10.

I don't need to guess. The context is as I said it is...and vs 10 is regarding judging others on their practice of fasting or not fasting...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

And I'm sure the former pagan Christians in Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi, Thessalonika, Smyrna, Pergamum,Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea etc. Would have understood all of this instantly.

Not sure I know what you mean. You presented 2 different issues that I presented.

 

[Der Alte]

I don't need to guess. The context is as I said it is...and vs 10 is regarding judging others on their practice of fasting or not fasting...

Wrong! About judging period. If it is wrong for someone to judge another about fasting/not fasting then it is certainly wrong for them to judges someone for anything.

 

[Der Alte]

Not sure I know what you mean. You presented 2 different issues that I presented.

I quoted you how could I present issues you did not present?

 

[keras]

God is particular and He said the seventh day, not a day of our choice.

But for me and most other people; Sunday is our seventh day. Our working week commences on Monday.
Using Saturday as the day of rest, is out of kilter with our Calander system. Scripture does NOT say Saturday is the Sabbath, Just the Jews and the confused peoples.
Take the example of the nation of Samoa. A few years ago, they shifted the dateline and made tomorrow; today, they skipped a day; to be in line with Australia and New Zealand.
Now there are 2 SDA church groups; one meets on Friday, the other - Saturday.

There are far better things to do that worry about which day to call Sabbath.

I still have not heard from the author of the opening post as to what this scripture means, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4.

We who have faith in Jesus Christ and keep the Commandments, have righteousness imputed to us. In the same way as Abraham's faith was imputed to him. Galatians 3:24-29

Robert: as I live in New Zealand, when you are awake; I'm asleep and vice versa.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

But for me and most other people; Sunday is our seventh day. Our working week commences on Monday.
Using Saturday as the day of rest, is out of kilter with our Calander system. Scripture does NOT say Saturday is the Sabbath, Just the Jews and the confused peoples.
Take the example of the nation of Samoa. A few years ago, they shifted the dateline and made tomorrow; today, they skipped a day; to be in line with Australia and New Zealand.
Now there are 2 SDA church groups; one meets on Friday, the other - Saturday.

There are far better things to do that worry about which day to call Sabbath.

We who have faith in Jesus Christ and keep the Commandments, have righteousness imputed to us. In the same way as Abraham's faith was imputed to him. Galatians 3:24-29

Robert: as I live in New Zealand, when you are awake; I'm asleep and vice versa.

While I agree Sunday keeping is far more popular than keeping the Sabbath, however Jesus taught us to not take the more popular path, but to stay on the narrow path that leads to Him. Matthew 7:13-14. There is no Sunday-keeping commandment, but there is for Sabbath keeping Exodus 20:8-11 and Jesus taught us to obey the commandments of God over the traditions of man. Mathew 15:3-9 Sunday worship became popular in the 3rd Century when Caesar starting co-mingling Christian teachings with pagan teachings and Sun worship became Sunday worship. This is something that was predicted in the scriptures Daniel 7:25 and this change was from those who persecuted God’s people and it did not come from God. God said keeping the Sabbath is a sign between God and His people Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 20:20 we do not sanctify ourselves, just like we cannot save ourselves. Our righteousness only comes from God and all of His commandments are righteous. Psalms 119:172

Our working week commences on Monday.

Does that mean in your mind Jesus rose on Monday, despite the scripture stating it was the first day, which the second day (Monday) does not reconcile at all with the scriptures or modern day Easter. Luke 23:56, Mark 15:42, John 19:31


God created the weekly cycle right from creation- work six days, but the seventh day is the Sabbath. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10. Regardless which calendar system people use, it does not change the weekly cycle. The first day will always be the first day and the seventh day will always be the Sabbath.
Which is why the Hebrew and Greek and almost all of the older languages Saturday means Sabbath.

Greek: Saturday – Σάββατο – Sabato
Hebrew: Saturday שבת Shabbat

Did God care about a tree in the Garden of Eden? Yes. He cares about His holy Sabbath day that He said is on THE seventh day, not a day of our choice. It’s not wise to think what God tells us does not matter or we can alter what He asks, especially one of the commandments God wrote with His own finger. Exodus 34:28, Exodus 31:18 that we are told not to add or subtract from.Deuteronomy 4:2

https://www.sabbathtruth.com/portals/20/documents/chart-of-the-week.pdf

Anyway, hopefully something to pray about.

God bless.

 

[keras]

God created the weekly cycle right from creation- work six days, but the seventh day is the Sabbath.

I showed what a nonsense it is to think you are observing the exact seventh Day in an unbroken sequence since Creation.
The earth is a globe and the dawn comes as the earth rotates. Therefore, how can anyone say; This day is the Sabbath, when on the other side, it isn't?

Plainly, obviously, we CAN choose which 7th day to observe our Sabbath rest. It is simply illogical and impossible to promote a worldwide Sabbath Day.
SDA believers would be well advised to concentrate their energies on evangelizing, as their insistence on Saturday rest and worship day, makes them a laughing stock.

 

[RobertPate]

But for me and most other people; Sunday is our seventh day. Our working week commences on Monday.
Using Saturday as the day of rest, is out of kilter with our Calander system. Scripture does NOT say Saturday is the Sabbath, Just the Jews and the confused peoples.
Take the example of the nation of Samoa. A few years ago, they shifted the dateline and made tomorrow; today, they skipped a day; to be in line with Australia and New Zealand.
Now there are 2 SDA church groups; one meets on Friday, the other - Saturday.

There are far better things to do that worry about which day to call Sabbath.

We who have faith in Jesus Christ and keep the Commandments, have righteousness imputed to us. In the same way as Abraham's faith was imputed to him. Galatians 3:24-29

Robert: as I live in New Zealand, when you are awake; I'm asleep and vice versa.

What commandments? They have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15, Jesus nailed them to his cross, Colossians 2:14. This is why Paul wrote, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness, for those that believe" Romans 10:4. Christians don't keep laws, and rules, they are led by the Holy Spirit, Romans 6:14. To be under the law is to be under the curse, Galatians 3:10.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I quoted you how could I present issues you did not present?

Which one? You presented 2 different posts...I said "It is not taking into account gerim toshavim that may take on mitzvot as they advance to gerim tzaddikim...Acts 15"

and

my post regarding fasting.

2 different issues/subjects

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

What commandments? They have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15, Jesus nailed them to his cross, Colossians 2:14. This is why Paul wrote, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness, for those that believe" Romans 10:4. Christians don't keep laws, and rules, they are led by the Holy Spirit, Romans 6:14. To be under the law is to be under the curse, Galatians 3:10.

No he did not...He abolished the ENMITY...the enmity is the CURSE...that what was nailed to the cross,,,He became a curse for us...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I showed what a nonsense it is to think you are observing the exact seventh Day in an unbroken sequence since Creation.
The earth is a globe and the dawn comes as the earth rotates. Therefore, how can anyone say; This day is the Sabbath, when on the other side, it isn't?

Plainly, obviously, we CAN choose which 7th day to observe our Sabbath rest. It is simply illogical and impossible to promote a worldwide Sabbath Day.
SDA believers would be well advised to concentrate their energies on evangelizing, as their insistence on Saturday rest and worship day, makes them a laughing stock.

Evening and morning...you observe where you are. It is only illogical TO YOU. That is what the Sabbath is...a never ending 7 day cycle.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

While I agree Sunday keeping is far more popular than keeping the Sabbath, however Jesus taught us to not take the more popular path, but to stay on the narrow path that leads to Him. Matthew 7:13-14. There is no Sunday-keeping commandment, but there is for Sabbath keeping Exodus 20:8-11 and Jesus taught us to obey the commandments of God over the traditions of man. Mathew 15:3-9 Sunday worship became popular in the 3rd Century when Caesar starting co-mingling Christian teachings with pagan teachings and Sun worship became Sunday worship. This is something that was predicted in the scriptures Daniel 7:25 and this change was from those who persecuted God’s people and it did not come from God. God said keeping the Sabbath is a sign between God and His people Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 20:20 we do not sanctify ourselves, just like we cannot save ourselves. Our righteousness only comes from God and all of His commandments are righteous. Psalms 119:172

Does that mean in your mind Jesus rose on Monday, despite the scripture stating it was the first day, which the second day (Monday) does not reconcile at all with the scriptures or modern day Easter. Luke 23:56, Mark 15:42, John 19:31

God created the weekly cycle right from creation- work six days, but the seventh day is the Sabbath. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10. Regardless which calendar system people use, it does not change the weekly cycle. The first day will always be the first day and the seventh day will always be the Sabbath.
Which is why the Hebrew and Greek and almost all of the older languages Saturday means Sabbath.

Greek: Saturday – Σάββατο – Sabato
Hebrew: Saturday שבת Shabbat

Did God care about a tree in the Garden of Eden? Yes. He cares about His holy Sabbath day that He said is on THE seventh day, not a day of our choice. It’s not wise to think what God tells us does not matter or we can alter what He asks, especially one of the commandments God wrote with His own finger. Exodus 34:28, Exodus 31:18 that we are told not to add or subtract from.Deuteronomy 4:2

Yes the 1st day of the week was never and never will be the 7th day Sabbath.