I gave you a clue as to why a man might not want to hang out with men after hundreds and thousands of hours, a clue that precious few people understand.You are the one who mentioned clues; I chose to speak in your language.
You used the word “clue” in your post; I am responding thusly.
Lets see where
Well you failed to show me where God endorsed/commanded the sex between a man and his slaves.Have you read the bible?
God put laws Exodus concerning how a husband must treat his first wife when he takes a second. God also set down laws regarding inheritance for a sons of a man's various wives.
In Genesis God killed Onan for his failure to impregnate his late brother's wife
God told David he gave him all of his wives and concubines and would have given him more in 2 Samuel
in 1 kings God says David only sinned once in the case of Uriah the Hittite. so his many wives and concubines were not sins.
Judges, Numbers and Deuteronomy all contain God's law that all the men and boys of a conquered people were to be put to death along with any married women. Virgin girls were to be handed over to the victorious soldiers.
Deuteronomy contains God's law that when a man is caught raping a woman he has to marry her and pay the girls' father a small sum, but it is never a sin
You never heard of Abraham?Well you failed to show me where God endorsed/commanded the sex between a man and his slaves.
Onan wasnt just killed because he failed to impregnate his brothers widowed wife,
so God wasn't against polygamy atif you pay close attention, that is Jesus direct lineage, if you try to disrupt the lineage of the Messiah, there will be consequences. The old testament never says that you may only marry one wife, though it is clear in the Genesis account that it’s how God intends for it to be, there is no direct commandment against multiple wives/concubines in the OT.
There is never an endorsement of rape in Dueteronomy there is this:
“If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.”
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
so if a man sees a 10 year old girl "lay hold on her" grabs her likely kidnapping her and has sex with her....this isn't rape?This is not a passage about rape, this is a passage about people BEING CAUGHT having sex before marriage, there isnt a version of the Bible that says this is rape and this has never been interpreted like that in church or jewish history.
This is a new one.I also think its important to remind you that Deuteronomy, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers were all given to the people of ISREAL and were for the governing of ISREAL. If it was not reinforced by Jesus in the NT it is not something that is followed.
Is it wrong to have a Homosexual orientation? Does a person choose to have a Homosexual orientation or not ? Should someone with a Homosexual orientation try to change their orientation and make themselves into a Heterosexual ? Is it sinful to find men attractive?
That’s not what homosexual orientation means. It means being attracted only to the same gender. There are people wth that attraction who don’t violate Lec 20:13.According to God: Yes it is wrong to have homosexual orientation. Yes it is a choice.
Leviticus 20:13
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
That’s not what homosexual orientation means. It means being attracted only to the same gender. There are people wth that attraction who don’t violate Lec 20:13.
Attraction isn’t the same as intention. Otherwise heterosexual orientation is just as sinful. It would be a very unusual heterosexual person that doesn't find members of the opposite sex attractive. If you want to take the position that this is sinful, then we're no longer talking about homosexuality. (We're also no longer talking about any Christianity that I recognize.)The point being, if God said it is a sin to do the act, then presumably the thought is going to be against Gods will.
How can the act be a sin but not the thought leading up to it?
How is “lay hold of” a virgin imagined to be something other than rape?Well you failed to show me where God endorsed/commanded the sex between a man and his slaves.
Onan wasnt just killed because he failed to impregnate his brothers widowed wife, if you pay close attention, that is Jesus direct lineage, if you try to disrupt the lineage of the Messiah, there will be consequences. The old testament never says that you may only marry one wife, though it is clear in the Genesis account that it’s how God intends for it to be, there is no direct commandment against multiple wives/concubines in the OT. There is never an endorsement of rape in Dueteronomy there is this:
“If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.”
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
This is not a passage about rape, this is a passage about people BEING CAUGHT having sex before marriage, there isnt a version of the Bible that says this is rape and this has never been interpreted like that in church or jewish history. I also think its important to remind you that Deuteronomy, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers were all given to the people of ISREAL and were for the governing of ISREAL. If it was not reinforced by Jesus in the NT it is not something that is followed.
Attraction isn’t the same as intention. Otherwise heterosexual orientation is just as sinful. It would be a very unusual heterosexual person that doesn't find members of the opposite sex attractive. If you want to take the position that this is sinful, then we're no longer talking about homosexuality. (We're also no longer talking about any Christianity that I recognize.)
Is it wrong to have a Homosexual orientation? Does a person choose to have a Homosexual orientation or not ? Should someone with a Homosexual orientation try to change their orientation and make themselves into a Heterosexual ? Is it sinful to find men attractive?
Then not repentant.but still gay
Obviously the sinful thoughts ARE NOT sharing the "mind of Christ", and not walking in union with the Son and with the Father in heaven, as Ekklesia born again set apart by Yahuweh who live separated, holy, set apart, lives abiding in Christ Jesus.Where in the Bible does it say Homosexual thoughts are acceptable or just tolerable?
I hear a lot of professing Christians say the act is not ok but the thought is ok and scripture is always absent with this claim,where in the Bible is this supported?
Proverbs 23:7
For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he
Yet no, for what does Jesus Say ? If someone has sinned "IN THEIR HEART", they ARE ALREADY GUILTY. (even if they did nothing about it)Acting on these things, in mind and action is where the sin comes in.
According to God: Yes it is wrong to have homosexual orientation. Yes it is a choice.
Leviticus 20:13
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Orientation is a state of being, not an action. You are your sexual orientation no matter what you are doing, driving a car, reading a book, skydiving, napping. If you are heterosexual and are celibate you are still heterosexual.Then not repentant.
If an adulterer repents of their adultery or a thief of their thievery, but continues committing adultery or theft, the repentance is not going to help, is it ?
If someone goes back to driving , and continues running red lights while intoxicated, they will continue to get tickets, then jail time and fines, and so on.
If they stop, they do not do it any more.
Is it wrong to have a Homosexual orientation?
Does a person choose to have a Homosexual orientation or not ?
Should someone with a Homosexual orientation try to change their orientation and make themselves into a Heterosexual ?
Is it sinful to find men attractive?