Is it sinful to have a Homosexual Orientation?

[SkyWriting]

God promises death to any who sin but this doesn't stop mankind from being incredibly wicked every day. What's your point?

Point being that children are not raised to be gay or persuaded.
Thank you for asking.

 

[SkyWriting]

Shamefully no. The only contact I've had with women (that did lead to marriage) was arranged by 3rd parties. I am not exactly Cassanova, not only have I never been approached, they all run like chickens in the farm yard when I show an interest.
Nevertheless I have been heterosexual and known it since perhaps a younger age than I should have.

If you study sexual interactions at your local bar, you'll find that Non-Gays do approach people seeking sex. So it's not a one way thing.

 

[SkyWriting]

No, if there is a biological imperative controlling homosexuality (ie. genes), then there should be a 100% rate of concordance among monozygotic twins. But there isn't.

That would mean that sexual orientation is 100% biological. Your study is correct that sexual orientation is not 100% dictated by biology. Both nature and nurture are involved and not at any fixed percentage rates. All evidence shows that it is a combination.

 

[SkyWriting]

No, if there is a biological imperative controlling homosexuality (ie. genes), then there should be a 100% rate of concordance among monozygotic twins. But there isn't. Instead, what research is showing is that homosexuality is driven by psycho-social factors, not biology.

It's by both and all full time researchers know this.

 

[SkyWriting]

So why then do churches continually try pushing a man into Adam and Steve type relationships when clearly they spend far to much time with men already and above all need the feminine in their lives?

Because that is not the case and men need to have male relationships as well to be healthy.

 

[aiki]

If there is no genetic effect on homosexuality, you would expect to see 3%.

According to who?

No one that I know thinks there's a "gay gene."

Many that I know, do. The media has been promulgating this false idea for decades now.

What matters from an ethical point of view is that people don't normally choose to be gay.

I disagree. I think, as often as not, homosexuality is a choice. And the Bible indicates this, too. See Romans 1:18-32.

People don't choose to be alcoholics, but it's a behavior that has to be controlled.

According to who?

There's no way to avoid the basic question of whether the behavior should be accepted or rejected.

As far as the Bible is concerned, there is no question about whether or not to accept or reject homosexual behaviour. It is condemned explicitly and repeatedly in both Old and New Testaments. (Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13; Genesis 19; Romans 1:18-23; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Jude 1:7)

 

[aiki]

It's by both and all full time researchers know this.

Proof, please.

 

[aiki]

Point being that children are not raised to be gay or persuaded.
Thank you for asking.

Baloney. They most certainly are. Homosexuality is promoted in public schools, on a myriad of t.v. shows, movies and newscasts, and in literature. My nephew was telling me recently about many of his fellow students sincerely urging him to turn to the gay lifestyle because he didn't have a girlfriend. There is enormous cultural pressure upon kids in North America to seriously consider homosexuality which provokes a growing number of them into it.

 

[aiki]

That would mean that sexual orientation is 100% biological. Your study is correct that sexual orientation is not 100% dictated by biology. Both nature and nurture are involved and not at any fixed percentage rates. All evidence shows that it is a combination.

Please show me one study that conclusively establishes a biological basis for homosexuality. Not "probably" or "very likely" or "fairly certain" but "this is what causes homosexuality." There is none - despite a great deal of research working to showing that there is a biological imperative to homosexual behaviour.

Regardless, the Bible flatly and repeatedly condemns homosexual behaviour.

 

[MarcusT]

Hi Marcus,
No,I was really referring to what you said about being theologically lazy in general,but I realize that might be better left for a different board. I also could have worded it better.

No worries, there are many theological issues with respect to which I am actually lazy because I don't have time to study them. Work, family etc. I just object to this notion that homosexuality is a kind of king of all sins. It simply is not as everyone who has studied the words of our Lord Jesus. It very well might be a sin - as an act but not as an inclination - but definitely not the sin. There are murder, lying, adultery (which our Lord especially condemned) and many more.

 

[Quartermaine]

I think he's referring to those that practice such things. Practicing homosexuals are no different than practicing thieves. Who are no different than practicing adulterers, who are no different than practicing liars or drunkards. As Paul said, let him that stole, steal no more. I think it would be equally true to say let him that has sex with other men commit that sin no more.

you should listen to yourself sometime.

 

[Quartermaine]

“And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Well He is clear on a proper marriage. And once again, to disagree with Jesus is anti-christian and shows conformity to the culture.

so anyone who is not married is defying Jesus?

 

[Quartermaine]

Just because it is in the Bible doesnt mean it is approved of by God. The entire story if the Bible is how we are sinners and need redemption + rape is never condoned in the Bible

Considering god mandated almost all of these i have to think they were approved of.

 

[Quartermaine]

Even these are not regarded ae the ideal practise, but are a concession to men and to regulate/protect the women.

I'm sure female prisoners of war felt very protected

 

[Quartermaine]

No, if there is a biological imperative controlling homosexuality (ie. genes), then there should be a 100% rate of concordance among monozygotic twins. But there isn't.

why would you say that? eye color doesn't have a a 100% rate of concordance among monozygotic twins, Neither does left handedness, adult height, type I diabetes or just about any genetically determined trait you can name

Instead, what research is showing is that homosexuality is driven by psycho-social factors, not biology. It turns out that personality, family dynamics, and social pressures have much more to do with homosexuality than anything biological.

i have never heard of any research even hinting at this. Could you post some references?

 

[Quartermaine]

Baloney. They most certainly are. Homosexuality is promoted in public schools, on a myriad of t.v. shows, movies and newscasts, and in literature. My nephew was telling me recently about many of his fellow students sincerely urging him to turn to the gay lifestyle because he didn't have a girlfriend. There is enormous cultural pressure upon kids in North America to seriously consider homosexuality and that successfully provokes a growing number of them into it.

proof please

 

[Rebecca4Christ]

No worries, there are many theological issues with respect to which I am actually lazy because I don't have time to study them. Work, family etc. I just object to this notion that homosexuality is a kind of king of all sins. It simply is not as everyone who has studied the words of our Lord Jesus. It very well might be a sin - as an act but not as an inclination - but definitely not the sin. There are murder, lying, adultery (which our Lord especially condemned) and many more.

I agree,sin is sin.There is only one unforgivable sin.
I'm still not totally sure I agree with most others (people) though,as far as believing it's only the act that's sin and being a celibate homosexual (which to me is unrepentant)is not in itself sinful.If I am indeed understanding that stance correctly.

 

[Emmylouwho]

Is it wrong to have a Homosexual orientation? Does a person choose to have a Homosexual orientation or not ? Should someone with a Homosexual orientation try to change their orientation and make themselves into a Heterosexual ? Is it sinful to find men attractive?

What part of “No” do you not understand? God made you the way you are. Stop worrying about it.

 

[Rebecca4Christ]

What part of “No” do you not understand? God made you the way you are. Stop worrying about it.

Where exactly in the bible is that written, emmylou ?

 

[rjs330]

There is no statistical link between lawlessness and sexual orientation.
So your analysis fails in the real world.

It's not about lawlessness. Adultery is not against the law. Neither is lying or being drunk. It's about sinfulness. Practicing homosexuality is a sin, just as practicing adultery and so on.

One other thing is that homosexuality is no worse than any other. All have sinned and fallen short of God's glory. None are righteous no not one. So to say homosexuals are worse or heterosexuals are worse is irrelevant in the eyes of our Judge. What is only relevant is if we have accepted Christ as our Lord and Savior and made him Lord of our lives.