Is abortion ever acceptable?

[salt-n-light]

Only if it’s uncontrollable (miscarriage) or to save a mother’s life.

 

[Archivist]

I just can’t understand why a Christian would think that it’s morally acceptable to kill an innocent human being who has done nothing wrong.

And why would a Christian say that an innocent woman should be forced to do something against her will? Why would a Christian support slavery.

What if the rape victim decided to carry the child, but then once the child was 6 months old realized that they really looked like their attacker and decided that it wasn’t going to work and that they didn’t want the baby to live - would it be acceptable to kill the baby then?

No because in the US citizenship begins at birth, not conception.

I don’t understand why people think that just because a human resides in a womb that they don’t have any moral worth and value.

This is why you can tel someone has no valid argument, when they make false statements. I never said any such thing. I simply believe that the innocent rape victim is paramount and the choice must rest with her.

And I’m sure you just forgot to proofread and that you meant “slavery” and not “skavery”

And if you noticed, I corrected that probably after you copied but before you posted.

 

[SPF]

And why would a Christian say that an innocent woman should be forced to do something against her will? Why would a Christian support slavery.

its not slavery.

No because in the US citizenship begins at birth, not conception.

and that has nothing to do with the moral value of the unborn.

As horrible as a thing as rape is, I don’t see how that justifies the killing of an innocent human being who possesses the same moral worth and value as I do.

I don’t see how killing an innocent human being is ever the appropriate response to any event.

If it could be demonstrated that the unborn weren’t human beings with moral worth and value then I would probably be OK with it. But that’s yet to happen.

 

[AnnaDeborah]

I'm not belittling the trauma caused to rape survivors in any way - it must be horrendous and I am full of admiration for the courage and strength that so many show in rebuilding their lives. BUT carrying an unwanted child for 9 months, while it may be distressing, upsetting or repugnant to the woman concerned, is not slavery. Slavery is a real and very serious problem - claiming things are slavery when they are not diminishes this problem.

 

[redleghunter]

OK I think I understand, wasn't she claiming she was raped and wanted the abortion, but really wasn't raped, her friends told her to state it, cause her state didn't allow abortions except for danger to the mother.

So if I get this right, they can't ask her if she was raped cause it's a right to privacy? Which means all women have the right to get abortions and not prove they were raped?

With the way SCOTUS had to slice through the Constitution? Frankly I can’t answer that question.

 

[redleghunter]

Yes I also concerned about right and wrong. Scripture tells me that slavery is wrong. Requiring a rape victim to carry the fetus to term against her will is indentured servitude.

How does this false equivalence work?

 

[redleghunter]

No, there are two questions, one of them being whether or not to force a woman to carry a child she didn't ask for.

Which leads us to an option of premeditated termination of another human being.

 

[redleghunter]

I have the right not to be harassed by another person, assuming I am harassing no one.

Huh?

 

[dreadnought]

Which leads us to an option of premeditated termination of another human being.

We don't know when the Lord places a soul in that human being.

 

[dreadnought]

Huh?

I have the right not to be harassed by another person, assuming I am harassing no one.

 

[AnnaDeborah]

We don't know when the Lord places a soul in that human being.

"Your eyes saw my unformed body...all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." Difficult to read this any other way than that a baby is a human soul before it is even a recognisable human shape.

 

[SPF]

We don't know when the Lord places a soul in that human being.

We do know at the very least it is before birth as John the Baptist was leaping for joy and was already filled with the Holy Spirit before he was born.

And as there is absolutely nothing in Scripture that would indicate that a human being at any time does not possess moral worth and value, or that a human being has to grow into being morally valuable, there can be no argument made to assert that the unborn are not made in the image of God just as you and I are.

 

[Archivist]

its not slavery.

Forcing someone to take nine months out of their life, to restrict their travel, to gain weight, to possibly develop other problems like diabetes, to go through the pain of childbirth isn’t slavery?

and that has nothing to do with the moral value of the unborn.

You example was of a woman killing a six month old. The point is that thatvwould be illegal. Moral value has nothing to do with that.

As horrible as a thing as rape is, I don’t see how that justifies the killing of an innocent human being who possesses the same moral worth and value as I do.

I don’t see how killing an innocent human being is ever the appropriate response to any event.

If it could be demonstrated that the unborn weren’t human beings with moral worth and value then I would probably be OK with it. But that’s yet to happen.

Then by all means do not have an abortion. But don’t tell an innocent rape victim that she cannot.

 

[Archivist]

How does this false equivalence work?

That’s been explained.

 

[SPF]

The morality of abortion stands or falls with how we understand the nature of the unborn human inside the womb.

The “how” in which they came into existence has absolutely no bearing upon their moral worth and value.

As Christians, we have the benefit of knowing that all human beings possess inherent moral worth and value and are created in the image of God.

And thanks to advancements in science, we know that a new human being is created and comes into existence at fertilization.

Therefore, we ought to be able to say that at the very least the 98% of abortions that are committed for convenience reasons are immoral.

As tragic and terrible and horrendous as rape is, it is equally immoral for that mother to have an abortion as it is for the happily married, wealthy, healthy woman who randomly changes her mind when becoming pregnant.

Again, the “how” in which a new human comes into existence has no bearing upon their moral worth.

And I don’t know of any circumstance other than pregnancy where a person attempts to argue that pursuit of happiness trumps a persons right to life.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

The morality of abortion stands or falls with how we understand the nature of the unborn human inside the womb.

The “how” in which they came into existence has absolutely no bearing upon their moral worth and value.

As Christians, we have the benefit of knowing that all human beings possess inherent moral worth and value and are created in the image of God.

And thanks to advancements in science, we know that a new human being is created and comes into existence at fertilization.

Therefore, we ought to be able to say that at the very least the 98% of abortions that are committed for convenience reasons are immoral.

As tragic and terrible and horrendous as rape is, it is equally immoral for that mother to have an abortion as it is for the happily married, wealthy, healthy woman who randomly changes her mind when becoming pregnant.

Again, the “how” in which a new human comes into existence has no bearing upon their moral worth.

And I don’t know of any circumstance other than pregnancy where a person attempts to argue that pursuit of happiness trumps a persons right to life.

But you are once again assuming a single cell can be a person. It is on a journey to become a person but is not yet a person.

 

[redleghunter]

Yes, blame auto-correct. Do you lack the ability to proofread? I suspect that you said what you really mean, that rape is nothing but a horrendous accident.

You are talking to me about moral worth when you believe that an innocent pregnant woman can be forced into slavery for nine months.

The forced slavery deal is not working. Who exactly is forcing the victim woman into slavery? The rapist? The child? Both?

 

[SPF]

But you are once again assuming a single cell can be a person. It is on a journey to become a person but is not yet a person.

And you’re once again creating a make believe difference between a human being and a human person.

All human beings are created in the image of God and possess inherent moral worth and value.

Human beings begin their 25 years of development at fertilization. At no point during their 25 years of development are they not a human being possessing inherent moral worth and value.

 

[redleghunter]

Life does not begin until fertilization from the sperm to the egg. The sperm by itself is not human life .... the egg by itself is not human life. They both have the "potential" but separately are not life. It takes the two to start the pro-creation process the Lord put in place

When does it happen? It happens when the egg and the sperm come together and the egg is imbedded in the womb. How do we know that? The body recognizes "the beginning of life" at fertilization in the mothers womb and the placenta begins forming ..... there is no other reason for the placenta to form .... unless the body recognizes there is "life" that is going to need "life support" of which will be provided by the placenta.

Didn’t think it had to be done, but thanks for reviewing Middle School health class.

 

[Archivist]

The forced slavery deal is not working. Who exactly is forcing the victim woman into slavery? The rapist? The child? Both?

Both.