Is abortion ever acceptable?

[redleghunter]

We don't know when the Lord places a soul in that human being.

So kill the human life anyway? Would not the opposite be the course of a Christian? If you don’t know do no harm?

 

[redleghunter]

We don't know when the Lord places a soul in that human being.

When did Jesus get his human soul?

 

[redleghunter]

I have the right not to be harassed by another person, assuming I am harassing no one.

What if someone does not care what you think is a right?

 

[redleghunter]

"Your eyes saw my unformed body...all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." Difficult to read this any other way than that a baby is a human soul before it is even a recognisable human shape.

Plus causes all sorts of Christological issues if we say Jesus was soulless at some time during His human development in the womb.

 

[redleghunter]

That’s been explained.

Other than asserting carrying a child to term is slavery, I’ve seen absolutely no evidence one is comparable to the other.

Maybe a third wave feminist argument which puts all pregnancies as invasive to women.

Your slavery assertion can be applied to abortion on demand for any cause.

You have failed to attribute who is enslaving the woman.

 

[redleghunter]

But you are once again assuming a single cell can be a person. It is on a journey to become a person but is not yet a person.

Regardless of size it is a human being. Looks exactly like a human being should look like at that stage of development.

You still have not substantiated your definition of “person.” What objective standard are you using either scientifically or theologically?

 

[redleghunter]

Both.

Therefore your view is a human life in the womb has intent to enslave the woman?

Please explain how the child has the cognitive ability to know she is enslaving her potential mother?

Why doesn’t the rape victim have a right to kill the rapist?

Or are we glazing over a sunk belief that you don’t see human life developing in the womb as morally equal to the pregnant woman?

Lastly, are there any other situations where a wronged individual has a right to execute or kill another human being?

 

[dreadnought]

So kill the human life anyway? Would not the opposite be the course of a Christian? If you don’t know do no harm?

It isn't right to force a woman to carry a child that is the result of rape.

 

[dreadnought]

When did Jesus get his human soul?

Jesus is God in flesh. He's always had a soul.

 

[dreadnought]

What if someone does not care what you think is a right?

I have the right to protect myself.

 

[SPF]

It isn't right to force a woman to carry a child that is the result of rape.

And it is right to kill an innocent human being who has done nothing wrong? You’re cool with that?

 

[dreadnought]

And it is right to kill an innocent human being who has done nothing wrong? You’re cool with that?

We don't know when the Lord places a soul in that human being.

 

[SPF]

We don't know when the Lord places a soul in that human being.

So if you don’t know, then wouldn’t it be wreckless to gamble that it’s not before birth?

And what do you think of Luke 1, where John the Baptist leaps in his mother’s womb for joy AND we are told that he was filled with the Holy Spirit while still in his mother’s womb?

You just what, shrug your shoulders and don’t care that innocent human beings are being killed? No biggie?

 

[dreadnought]

So if you don’t know, then wouldn’t it be wreckless to gamble that it’s not before birth?

And what do you think of Luke 1, where John the Baptist leaps in his mother’s womb for joy AND we are told that he was filled with the Holy Spirit while still in his mother’s womb?

You just what, shrug your shoulders and don’t care that innocent human beings are being killed? No biggie?

Because we don't know when the Lord puts a soul into a person, I am against most abortions. However, in the case of rape, I know for sure it is a great injustice to the woman to force her to carry the child.

 

[Archivist]

So if you don’t know, then wouldn’t it be wreckless to gamble that it’s not before birth?

And what do you think of Luke 1, where John the Baptist leaps in his mother’s womb for joy AND we are told that he was filled with the Holy Spirit while still in his mother’s womb?

You just what, shrug your shoulders and don’t care that innocent human beings are being killed? No biggie?

And you just what, shrug your shoulders and punish an innocent woman twice.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

And you’re once again creating a make believe difference between a human being and a human person.

All human beings are created in the image of God and possess inherent moral worth and value.

Human beings begin their 25 years of development at fertilization. At no point during their 25 years of development are they not a human being possessing inherent moral worth and value.

And you are once again creating a make believe identity between a person and a set of genetic instructions. There is no human person present until the brain is capable of sustaining a human personality. We can dual with these opposing ideas all day long; if I neglect to reply for every time you assert your error, it does not make you correct. Human personality, human souls, cannot exist in a single cell. It takes a large group of cells working together to form an entity that can recognize itself and entertain abstract thinking; if that is not present, it is not a person.

We observe, scientifically, that a single cell is not a single person. Sometimes, for example, a single cell will split and grow into two persons instead of one. Hey, what happened to the idea that the soul present at conception? Sometimes two cells having different genetic origin . . . perhaps alternate fathers . . . stick together and grow to form a single person. We call such a rare event a "chimera". These events prove your conception = person idea to be false. The merger of egg with sperm is only PROBABLY going to result in one person.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

So if you don’t know, then wouldn’t it be wreckless to gamble that it’s not before birth?

And what do you think of Luke 1, where John the Baptist leaps in his mother’s womb for joy AND we are told that he was filled with the Holy Spirit while still in his mother’s womb?

You just what, shrug your shoulders and don’t care that innocent human beings are being killed? No biggie?

John the Baptist did the leaping in the second half of the pregnancy.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

When did Jesus get his human soul?

God is beyond time and views every person from conception to death all at once. To Him, those who we see developing from small beginnings to full capacity of manhood or womanhood are all such from always. It is that same case with Jesus. Just as my little toe, vestigial remnant of a previous species as it is, is still part of me, so my beginning as a single cell is a part of me viewed from eternity. But if someone cloned a small toe and then killed it, they would not have killed a person, and if a single fertilized cell dies . . . as millions spontaneously do anyway . . . a person did not die. No person ever was there, yet.

 

[SPF]

Because we don't know when the Lord puts a soul into a person, I am against most abortions. However, in the case of rape, I know for sure it is a great injustice to the woman to force her to carry the child.

And if it just so happens that the unborn does have a soul, what kind of an injustice is it to kill the innocent person?

Human personality, human souls, cannot exist in a single cell.

Unsupported assertion. The Bible says that human beings are made in the image of God and morally valuable. A new human being is created at fertilization. This distinction between a human being and human person has still not been supported beyond your subjective opinion.

John the Baptist did the leaping in the second half of the pregnancy.

So what would you say to the rape victim that wanted to abort after the baby reaches viability?

 

[dreadnought]

And if it just so happens that the unborn does have a soul, what kind of an injustice is it to kill the innocent person?

We know for sure it is unjust to force a raped woman to carry the child resulting from that rape.