You mean let him who is wise? Don't worry Bud! I make typo mistakes an odd time two, I mean too!It says " ... let his who is wise ... ". So I guess that answers THAT.
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You mean let him who is wise? Don't worry Bud! I make typo mistakes an odd time two, I mean too!It says " ... let his who is wise ... ". So I guess that answers THAT.
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DaDad
My post was about the unsaved persons lack of interest. Not Christian or church's as every church I have ever attended has all preached about biblical Prophecies, fulfilled or yet to be fulfilled.Many people are interested in bible prophecy , but since 9 out of 10 churches refuse to teach on it and many pastors won't even discuss it in private , many church goers have deemed prophecy as not being important since the church leadership refuse to teach it , which has a severe negative impact on Christianity and those who refuse to teach it will not be happy when they find out that they are not as highly esteemed in the Lord Jesus eyes as they think they are , they greater level of leadership a person has - the greater responsibility they have to fulfill proper teaching is upon them , the Church leadership has a major failing these days as they are more interested in financials than they are in winning souls over to Christ
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Many people are interested in bible prophecy , but since 9 out of 10 churches refuse to teach on it and many pastors won't even discuss it in private , many church goers have deemed prophecy as not being important since the church leadership refuse to teach it , which has a severe negative impact on Christianity and those who refuse to teach it will not be happy when they find out that they are not as highly esteemed in the Lord Jesus eyes as they think they are , they greater level of leadership a person has - the greater responsibility they have to fulfill proper teaching is upon them , the Church leadership has a major failing these days as they are more interested in financials than they are in winning souls over to Christ
Good post.My post was about the unsaved persons lack of interest. Not Christian or church's as every church I have ever attended has all preached about biblical Prophecies, fulfilled or yet to be fulfilled.
My point is that we should do our best to understand and study prophecy.
But to dig into it to predict the eminent destruction of a nation, or trying to know exactly when the rapture will take place is nothing more than a waste of time that could be spend doing the Lords work.
I'm not bashing on learning biblical prophecy.
Those that are unsaved have no interest in living a holy life , they have no interest in having a relationship with Jesus , they are the lost and many don't have any interest in God at all , for them to have any real interest in bible prophecy - so before they would ever have an interest in prophecy they would have an interest in the bible , agree that all should dig deep for understanding ....my point was that 90,000 churches out of 100,000 churches that took a survey said outright that they never preach about prophecy , which is why so many people turn to books and movies and the internet , because churches these days are not interested in teaching prophecy , when I visit a church I always go directly to the staff and lead pastor and ask them about it , and it is typical that they will say something about a sermon series they did on Revelation 5 years ago , I went to a church that had a sermon series on Daniel that was 6 weeks long and did not even mention any of the chapters of Daniels prophecies , churches don't want to contend with any controversial topics because they don't want to find their congregations being divided over propheciesMy post was about the unsaved persons lack of interest. Not Christian or church's as every church I have ever attended has all preached about biblical Prophecies, fulfilled or yet to be fulfilled.
My point is that we should do our best to understand and study prophecy. But to dig into it to predict the eminent destruction of a nation, or trying to know exactly when the rapture will take place is nothing more than a waste of time that could be spend doing the Lords work.
I'm not bashing on learning biblical prophecy.
You're talking nonsense. You assign numbers to his NAME are see if it calculates to 666; You assign numbers to the mechanism which controls who can "buy and sell" and see if THAT sums to 666 -- AND DON'T CHANGE THE METHODOLOGY. USE THE SAME "CALCULATING SYSTEM" FOR BOTH!
Interesting......What you're doing with the 666 idea is numerology, pure and simple. It won't get you anywhere towards understanding the beasts of Revelation. The idea of the counting per the Greek is using stones to count.
GREAT, you got the first aspect.
Now the second:
So if Scripture is correct that the "dead" arise first, and then they which are alive and remain shall be "caught up", then if we follow the "dead" then those who remain "alive" are raptured accordingly:
Rev. 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.
Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are ended, ...
... 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.
Thus, when at the end of the age, when THE REST OF THE DEAD ARE RAISED, all who are alive and remain on earth shall ascend to the New Jerusalem:
1 Thess 4:15 For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; 17 then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.
You really need to study , ... - the harvests of souls will have long since past long before the 1000 years even begin
What you're doing with the 666 idea is numerology, pure and simple. It won't get you anywhere towards understanding the beasts of Revelation. The idea of the counting per the Greek is using stones to count.
Interesting......
It is used in Acts where Saul used that word for "vote"
5586. psephos psay'-fos from the same as 5584; a pebble (as worn smooth by handling), i.e. (by implication, of use as a counter or ballot) a verdict (of acquittal) or ticket (of admission); a vote:--stone, voice.
Used in 2 verses:
Acts 26:10
which also I did in Jerusalem, and many of the Saints I in prison did shut up, from the chief priests having received the authority;
they also being put to death, I gave my vote<(psēphos) 5586> against them,
Revelation 2:17
The one having an ear let him hear! what the Spirit is saying to the out-calleds. To the one conquering, I shall be giving to him of the manna, of the having been hidden.
And I shall be giving him a white counter/stone<<(psēphos) 5586,
and on the stone/counter<(psēphos) 5586> a new name having been written, which no one has seen except the one obtaining.
5585. psephizo psay-fid'-zo from 5586; to use pebbles in enumeration, i.e. (generally) to compute:--count.
Used in 2 verses:
Luke 14:28
'For who of you, willing to build a tower, doth not first, having sat down, count<(psēphizō)5585> the expense, whether he have the things for completing?
Revelation 13:18
Here the Wisdom is the one having Mind let him calculate!<(psēphizō) <5585>the number of the beast, for of man it is, a
nd the number of it six hundred sixty six.
Hi "Davy",
Rev. 13:18 This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
You've thrown out a verse which disagrees with your doctrine, and you will accrue the "reward":
Rev. 22:18 I warn every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.Good Luck, 'cause you're gonna need it ...
DaDad
You would not use it anyway in a manner in any level of true understanding as you believe the nonsense of the rapture happens after satan is cast into the pit for 1000 years . A that point it has already happened a thousand years earlier and no longer neededI don't need any Scriptural or Historical evidence.
I don't think that Trump's message is to turn inward. It is more that the time for America being responsible for everybody else's defense has passed.
To the extent that the world has followed America's lead in free enterprise, the world has become wealthy.
America is no longer willing to play by the same rules of everybody looking to America for special treatment that they will not reciprocate.
You would not use it anyway in a manner in any level of true understanding as you believe the nonsense of the rapture happens after satan is cast into the pit for 1000 years . A that point it has already happened a thousand years earlier and no longer needed
Yep ; Once again, you provided a false private interpretation of what you think scripture means - you must first understand the why before you can understand the when , and you do not understand why which is why you have wrongly interpreted the scriptureOnce again, I provided SCRIPTURE, but you provide your personal assurance. Yep, I take YOU over Scripture ANY DAY -- not ...
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DaDad
Yep ; Once again, you provided a false private interpretation of what you think scripture means - you must first understand the why before you can understand the when , and you do not understand why which is why you have wrongly interpreted the scripture
You can quote all the scripture you want - but you still do not understand the WHY.Re-post for "SeventySevens":
So if Scripture is correct that the "dead" arise first, and then they which are alive and remain shall be "caught up", then if we follow the "dead" then those who remain "alive" are raptured accordingly:
Rev. 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.
Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are ended, ...
... 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.
Thus, when at the end of the age, when THE REST OF THE DEAD ARE RAISED, all who are alive and remain on earth shall ascend to the New Jerusalem:
1 Thess 4:15 For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; 17 then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.Please don't allow your church doctrine to supersede Scripture!
Thanks,
DaDad
You can quote all the scripture you want - but ...