Imminent Destruction of the United States

[LittleLambofJesus]

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
I have a question. Is this "rapture" suppose to occur world wide?

Does scripture say it is limited to a specific piece of earth , was Paul not speaking of Christians ? Did Paul say "18 Therefore comfort one another with these words."
Would that be comforting to you if he meant only Israel?
Do you even know what the word rapture means ?

Does the scripture say the rapture and revelation are global wide or not?

 

[seventysevens]

Does the scripture say the rapture and revelation are global wide or not?

Rapture and Revelation are NOT the same thing , that be like saying the moon and the stars are the same thing because they both hang in the sky above the earth

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Does the scripture say the rapture is global wide or not?

Rapture and Revelation are NOT the same thing ,

So the rapture is not shown happening in Revelation? Yes or no?

 

[seventysevens]

So the rapture is not shown happening in Revelation? Yes or no?

Why not just say outright what you are leading to ?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why not just say outright what you are leading to ?

Why not just answer the question....

Is the rapture showing in Revelation or not?

 

[seventysevens]

Why not just answer the question....

Is the rapture showing in Revelation or not?

Why not just be forthcoming on why you ask ?

Why does it matter if it is or is not ?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Why not just answer the question....

Is the rapture showing in Revelation or not?

Why not just be forthcoming on why you ask ?
Why does it matter if it is or is not ?

So you believe in a future "rapture", but it doesn't matter to you if or where in Revelation it is showing.
Do all rapturist futurists feel the same way as you do?
So far you are the only one that is even commenting on it......

 

[seventysevens]

So you believe in a future "rapture", but it doesn't matter to you if or where in Revelation it is showing.

Exactly as I said - you playing games , but yet still refuse to be open and forthcoming , and you think you deserve an answer for playing games

Do all rapturist futurists feel the same way as you do?
So far you are the only one that is even commenting on it......

as you should know there are varying views as pre- and post trib views ,- too many people just follow whatever their preacher says and if their preacher don't talk about a topic then they just don't know because they would rather watch a sports game or be entertained rather than actually study

 

[Bobber]

I really don't care about anyone's "opinion" (i.e., ignoranace) , I merely want to know what an investigation has either validated or invalidated. Did you investigate the premise, or do you prefer the sand where you live?

With Best Regards,
DaDad

Look I hardly think God would ever put an encrypted message that doesn't even say in a clear sense that these are numbers to consider and it's really important for you to know! There is a mystery of the number 666 in Rev 13:8 but at least it speaks of the number in the straight forward fashion. All this going on about figuring out numbers in Psalms appears like mere sensationalism which I would think stands to take the saints attention off of more important issues. Kind of juvenile to suggest one who won't take your belief in this seriously has their head stuck in the sand.

 

[Idromos247]

... and we could condense that cumbersome Bible by two-thirds, because two thirds are prophetic.

Actually, most unsaved people ARE interested in Bible Prophecy, because it has the greatest impact on the world that they see daily in the news.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

Maybe two decades ago. But todays generation? Not a single unsaved person in my age bracket that I have personally ever met is interested in biblical prophecy.

 

[seventysevens]

Maybe two decades ago. But todays generation? Not a single unsaved person in my age bracket that I have personally ever met is interested in biblical prophecy.

Many people are interested in bible prophecy , but since 9 out of 10 churches refuse to teach on it and many pastors won't even discuss it in private , many church goers have deemed prophecy as not being important since the church leadership refuse to teach it , which has a severe negative impact on Christianity and those who refuse to teach it will not be happy when they find out that they are not as highly esteemed in the Lord Jesus eyes as they think they are , they greater level of leadership a person has - the greater responsibility they have to fulfill proper teaching is upon them , the Church leadership has a major failing these days as they are more interested in financials than they are in winning souls over to Christ

 

[DaDad]

... actually [the rapture] MUST occur AFTER the Millennial Kingdom, because as the New Jerusalem appears, how will those who are alive and remain on earth, ascend to the New Jerusalem. -- And the "evidence" of a post-Millennial rapture of the LIVING is found by tracking "the dead": ...

1 Thess 4:16 ... And the dead in Christ will rise first; 17 then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; ...

.. it has nothing at all to do with Jerusalem , ...

Rev. 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband; ...​

Perhaps you were confused between the Jerusalem which exists at the "center of the earth", and the New Jerusalem which shall ascend from heaven. Yep, there really are TWO -- Jerusalem's --.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[DaDad]

Look I hardly think God would ever put an encrypted message that doesn't even say in a clear sense that these are numbers to consider ...

It says " ... let his who is wise ... ". So I guess that answers THAT.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[seventysevens]

Perhaps you were confused between the Jerusalem which exists at the "center of the earth", and the New Jerusalem which shall ascend from heaven. Yep, there really are TWO -- Jerusalem's --.​

Thanks,
DaDad

yep there are Two Jerusalem's one is in Israel right now and the other will come down from heaven after satan and death are cast into the lake of fire - and neither one of them has anything at all to do with the rapture

 

[DaDad]

yep there are Two Jerusalem's one is in Israel right now and the other will come down from heaven after satan and death are cast into the lake of fire ...

GREAT, you got the first aspect.

Now the second:

So if Scripture is correct that the "dead" arise first, and then they which are alive and remain shall be "caught up", then if we follow the "dead" then those who remain "alive" are raptured accordingly:

Rev. 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.​

Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are ended, ...
... 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.​

Thus, when at the end of the age, when THE REST OF THE DEAD ARE RAISED, all who are alive and remain on earth shall ascend to the New Jerusalem:

1 Thess 4:15 For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; 17 then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.

​

Please don't allow your church doctrine to supersede Scripture!

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[keras]

Many people are interested in bible prophecy , but since 9 out of 10 churches refuse to teach on it and many pastors won't even discuss it in private , many church goers have deemed prophecy as not being important since the church leadership refuse to teach it , which has a severe negative impact on Christianity and those who refuse to teach it will not be happy when they find out that they are not as highly esteemed in the Lord Jesus eyes as they think they are , they greater level of leadership a person has - the greater responsibility they have to fulfill proper teaching is upon them , the Church leadership has a major failing these days as they are more interested in financials than they are in winning souls over to Christ

It is better have no teaching on Bible prophecy, than to be taught false theories and lies.
You are right: we who promote the Prophetic Word, will be more severely judged. James 3:1

 

[seventysevens]

You are right: we who promote the Prophetic Word, will be more severely judged. James 3:1

Yes , I know that , you should most definitely be very careful in your flawed teachings , you will severely pay for calling Gods Holy Word satanic just because you don't agree with it, it would be much better for you if you just remained silent on such things because you will be held accountable

 

[seventysevens]

GREAT, you got the first aspect.

Now the second:

So if Scripture is correct that the "dead" arise first, and then they which are alive and remain shall be "caught up", then if we follow the "dead" then those who remain "alive" are raptured accordingly:

Rev. 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.​

Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are ended, ...
... 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.​

Thus, when at the end of the age, when THE REST OF THE DEAD ARE RAISED, all who are alive and remain on earth shall ascend to the New Jerusalem:

1 Thess 4:15 For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; 17 then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.

​

Please don't allow your church doctrine to supersede Scripture!

Thanks,
DaDad

You really need to study , Revelation 20 is not a rapture and is not associated with it at all - the harvests of souls will have long since past long before the 1000 years even begin
There is reason why there a views that speak of a pre mid and post rapture , and why they are referred to as harvests of souls , just like grapes , there is a gathering harvest of the grapes that are currently ripe and would spoil if they were not harvested if waiting for the rest of the grapes to ripen , then there is the practice of leaving some of the harvests at each of the four corners of the field , for others to harvest -

Which is why it be beneficial to all to simply study IN DEPTH First Fruits , Gods HOLY Feast Days , the barley harvest , the wheat harvest and the grapes harvest and study to find out why these topics are used to teach biblical principals by the apostles and Jesus including the rapture and harvests of souls
and the First Resurrection in deep detail because these are deeply detailed than most even begin to know

You really need to learn more meat teaching and move away from milk toast teachings

 

[keras]

Yes , I know that , you should most definitely be very careful in your flawed teachings , you will severely pay for calling Gods Holy Word satanic just because you don't agree with it, it would be much better for you if you just remained silent on such things because you will be held accountable

You promote a 'rapture to heaven' of the Church.
We have yet to find where the Bible says God will do that for us.
So what I call Satanic, is ideas, theories and fables that have no Biblical support.

 

[seventysevens]

You promote a 'rapture to heaven' of the Church.
We have yet to find where the Bible says God will do that for us.
So what I call Satanic, is ideas, theories and fables that have no Biblical support.

You have shown that you have no understanding of why there is a Great trib , as you think it is just any ordinary day of tribulations - then you fail to understand Why there is a rapture - so you have the fables with no bible support
you fail to understand the basics , you speak as it is all about what we do for God that counts when scripture says the opposite -