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Featured If the United States is Babylon...

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by akaDaScribe, Apr 19, 2018.

  1. Stonehaven

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    Wrong. Look at the original post, and you will clearly see that the "US establishment are Christ-killers (Not Christian killers, as you suggest) just like the Jews and Romans before them".

    The evidence is loud and clear and irrefutable, if you bothered to read it.

    But rather than a mistake, I am more inclined to believe that you have deliberately LIED to confound, obfuscate, and sabotage this conversation.

    John 8:44-47
    44 For you are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a LIE, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a LIAR and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.

    So, it's obvious to anyone that you belong to Satan, not Christ - Since you are a Liar, first and foremost.
     
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  2. AlasBabylon

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    From the cross, Jesus forgave the Romans who crucified Him because " they know not what they do."

    That is, the Romans were pagans and totally ignorant of who Christ was and how the antichrist
    Edomite-jews were manipulating them to kill Israel's Messiah and true King, the God of Israel incarnate.

    Luke 19:27, the end of Jesus' symbolic parable, tells us those antichrist Edomite-jews.... who shouted to the Roman governor, that they had no king except Caesar and to crucify Jesus and let His blood be upon them and their children... would be compelled to return for their due punishment.

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  3. Ronald

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    Stonehaven,
    You must be born again to be able to discern scripture properly. You can receive the Holy Spirit, if you repent of your sins and ask for forgiveness. Many people try to understand the Bible without this spiritual transformation, but they can only get a superficial (at best) understanding ... If not distorting it with every turn of the page.
     
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  4. Ronald

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    America will be destroyed along with the rest of the world system.


    Your eschatology is way off. Christ will rule the world when He returns -- dah!

    You don't get what Judgment Day means. All people who do not have faith in Christ will be destroyed.

    Again, where are you getting your theology? Was this in Berlin where you reside?
    I can see where the anti-Semitism comes from. Sins are sometimes passed down three generations.

    God will share the spoils? LOL what a ridiculous notion. God created everything. He owns everything and provides for us. He is not concerned about material things.

    WOW! You are deceived. Listen, wherever you heard this taught, find another church ... there is still time and hope for you.

    Here are a few verses for you to digest. Still, one needs the Holy Spirit to discern scripture, so I don't know if you will quite understand.

    "but - As the Lord lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of the north and from all the countries where He had banished them. For I will restore them to their own land which I gave to their fathers." Jer. 16:15
    That prophetic verse was fulfilled in 1948 when Israel became a nation and then in 1967, Jerusalem was recaptured.

    "Say to them, Thus says the Lord GOD. - Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land." Ezek. 37:21

    And here is what will take place:

    "And it shall happen in the day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut to pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it." Zech.12:3 "heavy stone" = stumbling block
    This hasn't happened in history, but it is happening right now. Many nations are squabbling about Jerusalem -- especially since Trump announced that it would be the capital. Prior to that, they have been surrounded by enemies. These enemies are the beast - Islam, not some revised Roman Empire.

    "Neither their silver nor their gold
    Will be able to deliver them
    On the day of the LORD'S wrath;
    And all the earth will be devoured
    In the fire of His jealousy,
    For He will make a complete end,
    Indeed a terrifying one,
    Of all the inhabitants of the earth." Zeph. 1:18

    When the Church is raptured, the remaining populations of the world will be destroyed, apart from the remnant Israel (Rom. 11) who will be protected and put to the final test.

    "It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem." Zech. 12:9

    Here's a bonus for those who come against Jerusalem:

    "And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth." Zech. 14:12
    That is a description of the effects of a nuclear blast incinerating people's flesh before they drop to the ground written thousands of years ago! Other translations of "consume" are melt or dissolve.

    I would warn you or anyone of any nation not to participate in attacking Israel during the end times -- FOR YOU WILL BE DESTROYED!

    REMEMBER THIS: "AND I WILL BLESS THEM THAT BLESS THEE, AND CURSE HIM THAT CURSETH THEE: AND IN THEE SHALL ALL FAMILIES OF THE EARTH BE BLESSED." GEN. 12:3
     
  5. AlasBabylon

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    Just make sure you know who is who in God's end of the age passion play. Otherwise you might wind up allying with antichrist Edom who promotes sodomite parades in Jerusalem. Ezekiel 36:5

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  6. Mountainmanbob

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    Grab your floatie and hit the closest coast.
    M-Bob
     
  7. Stonehaven

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    But I don't presume that this is some mistake on their part, but it's done deliberately on purpose.

    As they are clearly intent on twisting everything, by saying that the Israelis are antichrist, or YHVH is an enemy of Israel etc.

    However, the American establishment are mostly to blame, but they must know that their fate is already sealed. Revelation 18

    However, these are nothing but stalling tactics, yet they know the inexorable outcome of this struggle
     
  8. Abraxos

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    At that stage when these 10 kings give their kingdoms / regions to one man (Rev 17:12-13), that would be a sure indicator of the Great Tribulation as Jesus warned. Mass depopulation some speak of through Agenda 21 would appear to be a reality after-all. Some Christians however believe that the bride will not go through the tribulation but those left behind (the tribulation saints Rev 7:14) will have to endure though it. Though that may seem like a hopeless situation for them, it is written that prominent people will arise at this dark time to lead.

    Daniel 8:9-13 concerns the end-times while the four beasts and the 10 horns + the little horn concern ancient history. The beast with 10 horns that comes up out of the sea in Revelation 13 cannot be the same 10 horns that Daniel saw. The primer here was the characteristics for the 'little horn.' The key context from the very next verse from Daniel 7:7 shows that a little horn arose among the other horns and it uprooted 3 horns revealing to us a primer to identifying this little horn. From a historical context, the Roman Empire collapsed in 476 AD, and from there the Western Roman Empire was divided up into 10 kingdoms from the roaming barbarians.

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    Of the 10 tribes, three lost their power and significance on the world stage specifically by the growing power of the Trinitarian doctrine. The Heruli, Ostrogoths and Vandals were religiously Arian Christians who persecuted Trinitarian Christians for centuries; Yet with the growing influence of the trinity doctrine these three tribes were finally subdued, and this made way for the rise of the papacy. This historical fact appears to be in line with what was foretold by Daniel 7:8, 20 & 24, and consistent with the characteristics of the 'little horn.' Interestingly, the smallest country in the world is the Vatican City.
     
  9. Stone Chapel

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    This comment is already an act of war.
     
  10. Stone Chapel

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    Thank you for this comment; but this war is invisible, even by Cold War standards.

    At least, everybody seemed to know that the Cold War existed; but nobody knows about Armageddon yet, except for the politicians and religious establishment.

    So far, this war has been invisible, but exactly when it enters the public domain - To be made known to the rest of the world - only God knows.
     
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  11. Stone Chapel

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    Quit stalling. These are nothing but stalling tactics.

    Nothing you can do or say will prevent the destruction of the United States. Revelation 18
     
  12. Stone Chapel

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    What punishment are you talking about?

    Please clarify.
     
  13. Stone Chapel

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    Do you mean to say that Jesus' "crossing swords" with the Pharisees - And the fact they have conspired to kill him...John 12:49-50 - is to be seen in terms of "racial difference", and racial conflict between Edomite Jews and the real descendants of Jacob?
     
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  14. Ronald

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    I'm not in charge, God is. How could I prevent the Great Tribulation? I've been praying for it, in anticipation of the Second Coming for twenty years. I have believed ( and could be wrong) that this will take take place within one generation of when Israel became a nation in 1948. According to David in Psalm 90:10, one generation is 70 years ( unless you are strong and. Then maybe 80). So 2018 may be the year, but make no mistake, it will be judgment on the entire world, every nation.
    Yes, the U.S. is corrupt, it has been so for a while. In this generation we've seen moral depravity and values descend into the gutter. In the 60's, we saw the drug revolution kick off. We followed the Beatles, I was a hippie too. Pot became popular, free love ( sex). In the 70s we legalized abortion and to date have aborted 50 million. Homosexuality marched along and what was once consider mental disorder, was becoming accepted and now of course the straw that will break the camels back, Gay Marriage legalized. This was done by the SCOTUS, not our legislative branch. Most Americans voted against it. The GAY community only amount to 2.3 %, but they have a loud voice and have persisted in their fight. American caved partially but it was SCOTUS WHO did, one judge actually - a foolish move, a coward, couldn't take the heat. Hell have to live with it.
    Do you remember TV shows and movies 60-70 years ago? They were wholesome, clean, now they are polluted with sex and violence and vulgarity.
    And now we have a swamp in government filled with lobbyists who seek material gains. We have lies, scandals, cover-ups to the highest levels - Obama, FBI, DOJ, all protecting their chosen nominee, who created a false a dosier, colluded with Russia, ran a laundromat foundation, illegal server and a long list of crimes. Hillary should be in prison.

    Yes, judgment is coming for the US, but it is not directed at one specific nation, it is directed at a ALL THOSE WHO REJECTED JESUS.
     
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  15. AlasBabylon

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    “What then should I do with Jesus who is called Christ?” Pilate asked. They all answered, “Crucify Him!” “Why?” asked Pilate. “What has He done wrong?” But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify Him! When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but that instead a riot was breaking out, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “You shall bear the responsibility.” The people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!” So Pilate released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged and handed Him over to be crucified.

    Matthew 27:22-26

    It was the day of Preparation for the Passover, about the sixth hour. And Pilate said to the Jews, “Here is your King!” At this, they shouted, “Away with Him! Away with Him! Crucify Him!” “Shall I crucify your King?” Pilate asked. “We have no king but Caesar,” replied the chief priests. Then Pilate handed Jesus over to be crucified, and the soldiers took Him away.

    John 19:14-16


    Jesus' parable in Luke 19 relates to this.

    But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, we will not have this man to reign over us.

    The last verse, Luke 19:27, tells us in cryptic parable form, the due punishment for the murder of Christ [God's law for murder is death.]

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  16. Stone Chapel

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    Was destruction of the Jewish temple (70 AD), and exile of the Jews from the Holy land a "due punishment" for the murder of Christ?

    Was the Nazi Holocaust "due punishment" for the murder of Christ ?

    Or is the punishment still pending?
     
  17. AlasBabylon

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    Esau/Edom and Jacob/Israel were fraternal twin brothers. But Esau sinned by despising his inheritance, selling this birthright [as firstborn] for lunch [for mammon] and marrying forbidden foreign women, forever altering his bloodline and alienating him from God. God loved Jacob [Israel] but hated Esau [Edom.]
    Malachi 1:2-4 & Romans 9:13

    In the OT, Israelites and Edomites were enemies. Edomites [Amalekite tribe] attacked Israelites after Israel left Egypt. Later, God commanded King Saul to destroy ALL the Edomite Amalekites. Because Saul disobeyed God and did not kill ALL, God took the kingdom from Saul and gave it to David. Ironically, it was an Edomite who claimed to have killed an already wounded King Saul. He came to David bragging about it, hoping to win brownie points. But David told the Edomite, "how dare you touch God's anointed" and had the Edomite promptly executed. In the book of Esther, the villain, Haman, is an Edomite prince.

    Per Josephus, in the 2nd century BC, Edomites lost a war against Israelites. Israel's prince/high priest offered to allow the Edomites to live in the kingdom of Israel [Judea] if they "converted." So Edomites feigned "conversion" en masse so they could live in Judea. Thereafter Edomites became [fake] "Jews." Same Edomite fake "Jews" in Revelation 3:7-9.

    In 37BC, Edomite-jew Herod allied with Rome to conquer Jerusalem. Rome declared Herod King of Judea. Edomite Herod proceeded to murder the remaining Israelite royal heirs. Herod totally tore down the second temple [the one Cyrus had decreed built] so he could rebuild his own temple, putting his own people in charge. Herod tried to destroy God's Temple made without hands by trying the murder the Christ child when he murdered the babes of Bethlehem.

    One can not truly understand the OT, the NT or even current events without understanding this historic conflict between Israel and Edom that continues to this day.

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  18. AlasBabylon

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    The way I interpret Luke 19:27, the enemies of Christ will be compelled to return to the scene of their crimes for their due punishment.

    Knowing that those antichrist enemies are Edomite [fake] Jews gives one a special understanding of the immensity of their crimes [see my last post about Edom.]


    A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

    Per the parable, the final punishment happens when the king returns.

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  19. Stone Chapel

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    But if there are Fake Jews there are Fake Christians, also.

    Presuming that Christ will return as a Christian instead of a Jew, then the same must also apply to the Edomite (Fake) Jews who should therefore return as Fake Christians instead of Jews ------> Matthew 7:21-23, 25:41-46

    But are there any Fake Jews at all amidst the Modern Jewish diaspora (Ashkenazim and Sephardim)?

    To return to the scene of their crimes means that those Fake Christians/Jews must also be in close proximity to the King as stated in Luke 19:27.

    But close "proximity" might be geopolitical as opposed to a geographical proximity.

    "Proximity" might well be psychological "familiarity" as opposed to geographical proximity; in which case, the Modern antichrist enemies are more likely to be "Familiar Christians" than the Unfamiliar Jews who now reside in Christian countries, and even less so the Jews in Israel.
     
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  20. Andrew Jeremiah

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    Type and shadow.

    The type of Christ is in the Shewbread - I am the Bread of Life, and the like.

    Here...the OT Law is type and shadow of the Coming Holy Spirit. It is HIM God promised to "put in" our inward parts, not vocabulary - Him. The Holy Spirit.

    Jeremiah 31:33 (KJV)
    33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
     
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