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Featured If the United States is Babylon...

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by akaDaScribe, Apr 19, 2018.

  1. AlasBabylon

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    There is a reason for that.

    The lyrics were written during the War of 1812
    while the author was watching the British attack
    on Ft Henry while he was detained by the British.

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    There is a very important answer to that question. It is so important one can not truly understand the Bible, especially the New Testament, without this important key.

    Synagogue of satan = the evil antichrist Edomite-jews, descendants of Esau/Edom [the fraternal twin brother of Jacob/Israel] who became the enemy of Israel in the Old Testament. The Edomites allied with Babylon to destroy Jerusalem and the temple.

    In Malachi 1:1-4 God says, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." There is good reason Paul quoted that OT verse in Romans 9:13... because the cursed descendants of Esau/Edom also became known as "Jews."

    Per Josephus, Esau/Edom lost a war to Israel in the 2nd century BC, then feigned "conversion" so they could live in the Kingdom of Israel [Judea.] Thereafter the Edomites became "Jews." But they were FAKE "Jews" because they were NOT Israelites.

    In 37BC, Edomite-jew, Herod, allied with Rome to conquer Jerusalem. Rome decreed Herod King of Judea. Edomite-jew Herod proceeded to murder all the royal Israelite heirs, totally destroyed the second temple [the one Cyrus decreed built to replace Solomon's temple that Herod's Edomite ancestors had destroyed] to rebuild his own temple, putting his own people in charge. Herod also tried to destroy God's Temple made without hands when he tried to murder the Christ child.

    Both the Edomite-jew Herod dynasty and Herod's rebuilt temple were destroyed in the first century AD. Go back to Malachi 1:1-4... God warns Esau/Edom about their desire to return and rebuild the ruins.

    After you understand this history I summarized above and the related Bible verses... you'll truly understand Rev 3:9.

    I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie. I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you.

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    By extension, it seems that YHVH the God of Christianity (and all the Abrahamic religions) is also the "God of Aryans" - Since we know that "all of Christian civilisation is Greek, Roman and Hebrew".

    This implies that the question of "race" (or racial identity) is a key component of Christianity - Since, Jehovah is the "God of Aryans", and "Christianity is therefore the religion of Aryan people" - And God have mercy on those who do not understand the Secret doctrine of Christianity, which is the hidden agenda of Christ.

    Since the new covenant of Christ (Luke 10:27-28, John 11:25-26 and Romans 10:9) is essentially based on the same principles which have defined the racial laws of the Third Reich.

    In essence, the Church of Christ is a genotype, despite its claim to be a "universal" church; by definition, the Church itself is a congregation of people everywhere, which is centred on the Greek Roman Empire, Rome itself, N. Europe or N. America - By definition, Christianity is the "Church of Aryan people", since the worldwide church is still centred on those Aryans:

    Genesis 34.
     
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    Unsubstantiated opinion.

    No Scriptural basis whatsoever.
     
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    LOL. I am amused with your lack of Scripture.

    Nothing you have said is supported by Scripture.
     
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    Exegesis is a cul de sac, and circular argument, which defeats the whole purpose.

    God's word (or the testimony of Christ) is the only evidence required in this case, and this trumps the so called "evidence" of hermeneutics.

    As Jesus said, "This doctrine is not my own, but it belongs to Him who sent Me". ¶ John 7:16

    For I and My Father are One. ¶ John 10:30

    Now, that you have seen Christ you have also seen his Father; since you know Me, you also know the will of my Father in heaven. ¶ John 14:7

    God told his Son Jesus to tell you this. ¶ John 12:49

    So, if God said he would destroy the United States, then you can be damned well sure he will keep his PROMISE. Revelation 18

    But hiding behind "circular arguments" - Effectively denying the Witness of Christ - won't serve to avert the destruction of your country.

    So, if I said I would destroy your country, then you must believe this is the Word of God.
     
  9. Stonehaven

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    The Body/Church of Christ comprise only the True believers (Who are saved, since they have been sanctified by the new covenant), but it doesn't include the Professed believers (Who are unsaved, since they are rejected by Christ, according to Matthew 7:21-23, 25:1-13, 25:41-46).

    Since it is Christ who will disavow all the false prophets and Fake Christians, according to Matthew 7:21-23, 25:41-46.

    So, by definition, the Body/Church of Christ does not include those Professed believers, but only the True believers.

    Since only the True believers are saved, according to Matthew 13:43 and Revelation 21:8.
     
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    The Body of Christ = Spiritual city of God's elect = "White"

    Spiritual city of Babylon = "Black"

    Between the "black" and "white" there is also a "grey" area, which should never be overlooked under any circumstances.

    This "grey" area are the Professed believers who also belong to the Body of Christ, but they will be "cut off" by virtue of their iniquity:-

    Matthew 5:29-30
    29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away; it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to go into hell.

    Mark 9:43-48
    43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 where

    ‘Their worm does not die
    And the fire is not quenched.’

    45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where

    ‘Their worm does not die,
    And the fire is not quenched.’

    47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where

    ‘Their worm does not die
    And the fire is not quenched.’


    By far, this is a more accurate depiction of the Body of Christ, which includes all the Professed believers, except that those "believers" are eventually "cut off" on the Last day of Judgement.

    Such is the pain of losing a brother or sister in Christ, but those Professed believers are like "Wolves in sheepskin" and therefore must be excised, in accordance with Matthew 7:21-23, 25:41.
     
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    False. This argument is false.

    That the entire world is corrupt doesn't negate the fact that some countries are considered more culpable than the rest of the world.

    The primary example being the Roman Empire's collaboration with Israel in regards to the 1st century Crucifixion of Jesus.

    That the entire world was evil doesn't negate the fact that the Jews and Romans are to be considered more culpable than the rest of the world.

    For that reason, the Jewish temple was destroyed in 70 AD and the Jews have been exiled from the Holy land until 1948; but such a calamity was never concomitant for the rest of the world, since the rest of the world are not as culpable as the Jews and Romans.

    So, the Fall of America-Babylon is regarding the End Times, which is clearly stated in the Book of Revelation, Chapter 18.

    In the context of Eschatology, America is to be seen as more culpable than the rest of the world, since the US establishment are Christ-killers, just like the Jews and Romans before them.

    Since the majority of Americans are projected to "Break (or reject) the Covenant of Christ" (Isaiah 24:5-6) on account of their own history, culture, politics and ideology, which is why Americans would suffer inexorably more so than any other Christian nation.

    Consequently, and realistically, America should be more devastated than any other nation in Christendom, since this country is more culpable than any other nation throughout the entire Christian world.

    That God will destroy the entire earth (Isaiah 24:1) at the time of the Tribulation doesn't mean that the scenes of carnage, death and destruction should be "equal" nor "identical" between different regions of the country, nor the same in every country across the entire earth - As attested by the differential accounts given by Isaiah 24:10 vs Isaiah 24:12.

    That human remains will be incinerated and scattered all over the earth (Jeremiah 25:33) doesn't mean that the scenes of carnage, death and destruction should be "equal" nor "identical" in every town, and in every country across the entire earth - As attested by the discrepancy between Isaiah 24:10 vs Isaiah 24:12.

    Clearly, there are some people and countries which are to be affected more than others; as some groups are deemed to be more culpable than the rest of the world.

    So, it's only fitting that God should punish them more than others, and they will suffer more than the rest of the world.

    Besides all of this, America is singled out here, since it is the only preeminent superpower at the End Times, which means it must be set apart from the rest of the world - As such, the Fall of "Babylon" must be seen as more discernible, distinctive, and significant than the demise of any other power, which is another reason that Revelation 18 is entirely dedicated to the Destruction of America as the world's preeminent superpower.

    So, I'm sorry that your argument doesn't wash, since it is a flawed argument for the reasons I have stated.
     
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    There is no question in my mind that the Biblical foundation of God's chosen people, Israel, is racial. Why else is the Bible filled with detailed genealogies. Bible law also forbids marriages with certain foreigners. Jacob [Israel] was careful to marry within his racial family. But Esau [Edom] seemed to relish disobedience by marrying forbidden women. The result was God declaring, "Jacob I loved. But Esau I hated" - Malachi 1:1-4 & Romans 9:13. The descendants of Jacob/Israel and the mixed descendants of Esau/Edom were enemies in the Old Testament. In New Testament times the Jacob/Esau conflict continued on a new ironic level. In the 2nd century BC, Esau/Edom lost a war against Jacob/Israel and feigned conversion so they could live in Judea. Per Josephus, the Edomites became "Jews" en masse. Herod was an Edomite-jew. When one understand this racial factor, the division among "Jews" over Jesus Christ can be viewed on a totally different racial level. The racial conflict between Israel and Edom has continued to this day and has been the undertow of much international conflict.

    The irony of Hitler's Aryan Third Reich racial laws... they were based on Israel's OT racial laws.

    This Julius Streicher testimony before the post-WW2 Nuremberg military tribunal might surprise you:

    " I have written such articles again and again; and in my articles I have repeatedly emphasized the fact that the Jews should serve as an example to every race, for they created the racial law for themselves - the law of Moses, which says, "If you come into a foreign land you shall not take unto yourself foreign women." And that, Gentlemen, is of tremendous importance in judging the Nuremberg Laws. These laws of the Jews were taken as a model for these laws. When after centuries, the Jewish lawgiver Ezra demonstrated that notwithstanding many Jews had married non-Jewish women, these marriages were dissolved. That was the beginning of Jewry which, because it introduced these racial laws, has survived throughout the centuries, while all other races and civilizations have perished. "

    Julius Streicher before the International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 14 November 1945 - 1 October 1946, Volume 12, Secretariat of the Tribunal, Nuremberg, Germany, page 315

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  13. Ronald

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    You think Amercans are Christians killers?
    You think persecution will come to us more so than other parts of the world?
    Your argument is wrong.
    African nations have suffered quite a bit more Christian persecution than any Americans would see. South Sudanese Christians are experiencing genocide as in other countries as well. Where have you been. The Middle east us experiencing a Great Tribulation. Since 2011, we saw revolts in Tunisia, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Syria and then ISIS formed spread in throughout. Millions of refugees have been scattered and suffered rape, famine and death. Americans have suffered little compares to the world. If you are a Christian in any Muslim country, you experience persecution. If you are in China, you have no freedom and must meet in private homes.
    America is corrupt, but for centuries, we carried the gospel, we lived by it and died by it. We were born a Christian nation and still most of us would claim to be Christians, but it may be that only 40% are truly, I don't know for sure. We have grown callous to God and liberalism has been a destructive force, which pushes away from conservative values. We were the peace keepers, the most giving and charitable nation .-- the richest, because God did bless us. Judgment is coming to ALL THE WORLD THOUGH. The judgment has to do not with gooid nations or bad ones, it will be against all who are not Christians. So no matter what country your in, if the blood of Christ hasn't washed your sins away, judgment will be at the door.
     
  14. AlasBabylon

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    As the Bible tells us, God's judgment falls on His own people first and foremost because God has given us his commandments and His blessings. Therefore God expects much more from His people than from the heathen. Furthermore, the Bible tells us God protects His Holy name when He punishes His people who are called by His Holy name because they have dishonored Him and His name.

    No one can deny that most Americans, including those who call themselves Christians, are in sinful rebellion against the Biblical commandments of God. Post-WW2, the USA arose unscathed and became queen of seven mountains and many waters [seven continents and seven seas.] The USA could have created a Godly moral righteous shining city on the hill, a true Christian beacon to the world. Instead it squandered its Godly inheritance by fostering and promoting antichrist blasphemy and sinful abominations within and around the planet.

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    Wrong. This is absolute rubbish and you know it.

    It seems you are trying to twist everything, and you are putting words in my mouth, but I never said that.

    To be a "Christian killer" (As in the case of Saul of Tarsus) is one thing, but to be a "Christ-killer" (As in the case of Pilate and Caiaphas) is yet another thing; and those two are clearly not the same.

    But you seem insistent on obfuscation by conflating "apples and oranges", since you know that you don't have any leg to stand on.

    The key question here is not WHO are the "Christian killers", but WHO is responsible for "Killing Christ" - Since the latter is far more serious, and rightly carries a higher penalty.

    Those who have "killed Christians" such as St Stephen, St Peter and St Paul etc. are to be seen as less culpable than Pilate and Caiaphas who have "Killed Christ".

    As by definition, Christ the Son of God is far more important than his followers. Therefore, those who have "killed Christ" must expect a severer penalty, such as Destruction of the Jewish temple in 70 AD, and the subsequent exile of Jews from the Holy land until 1948.

    Now, in this Modern age the U.S. Government are also "Christ-killers" as they have consistently "Broken (or rejected) the Covenant of Christ", since they (resolutely) refused to "Believe in his Resurrection", which is intrinsic to the new covenant = Luke 10:27-28, John 11:25-26 and Romans 10:9.

    To believe in the Covenant of Christ is a requirement for any Christian to be saved, but rejection of the Covenant means certain death for those who have rejected God and his Son Jesus - Hence, the flip side of the coin in Luke 10:28, John 11:25-26 and Romans 10:9

    But by virtue of their history, culture, politics and ideology, Americans on the whole are more likely to reject Christ and "Break his Covenant" (Isaiah 24:5-6); which is why they deserve to suffer more than any other country in Christendom; and the Tribulation (or devastation) will affect this country more than anywhere else in the Christian world.

    Thus, obfuscation itself (or sleight of hand) doesn't change the Subject of this discussion, as much as you may try to confound your opponent.

    Have the Jews not suffered more than other people since they have rejected their Saviour?

    What makes you think that Americans are any different, or better than the Jews not to be punished for their rejection of Christ, or "Rejection of his Covenant" (Isaiah 24:5-6)?
     
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    The Great Tribulation/Judgment Day will be a test of our faith, but we will persevere through till the last trumpet. What comes after that are the seven bowls of God's wrath for THE ENTIRE WORLD WHO REMAINS.
    As far as I discern, Romans 11 tells us a remnant Israel will be saved and protected during this time. But all nations who come against Jerusalem will be destroyed, including the USA if we do. I would imagine if Christians are resserected and the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way, all Hell will brake loose on the planet. Nothing good will remain, for the RESTRAINER will no longer restrain mans evil.,Left to himself, man will destroy himself and insanity will take over. Imagine gather all nations to war against God? That is the ultimate evil act and insane.
     
  17. Ronald

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    I'm quoting you! You said, "the US establishment are Christian killers, k just like the Jews and the Romans before them."
    I'm not twisting anything - those are your words. And I might add, that statement is also anti-Semitic. Your assessment of Babylon being America is off, it is the entire world system that came out of Babylon, the white. That was its origin.But think what you will.
     
  18. Ronald

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    Your whole theology is screwed up.
    You say the important thing is who killed Christ?
    He sacrificed Himself That was His plan from before the foundation of the world.
    Wow, its as if you think that day was decided by man. God is sovereign. That was His mission, to die for our sins. H E L L O!
     
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    There is already a war against God and the USA is leading the enemy attacks.

    Surely you can see that since WW2 [during which the USA allied with antichrist Bolsheviks to kill Christians], the US government has fostered and promoted spiritual and moral degeneracy that is totally contrary to God's commandments and God's Biblical standard of righteousness that for millennia our Christian forefathers had codified into their civil laws [as God had intended it.]

    European nations also constantly attack God. Former British Prime Minister Cameron infamously said that Britain wanted to export homosexual "marriage" to all the world. The current heretic pope who winks at sodomites in the priesthood and espouses the belief that no matter one's religion, everyone who is "nice" will "go to heaven" is another example.

    God arranged for Babylon and its ally Edom to destroy Jerusalem and the temple as punishment for this same type of sinful rebellion against God. At the end of the age, God sends Gog/Magog's global hordes as punishment against God's people who are living in sin. You'd think by now Bible-believing Christians would understand this repeated cause and effect.

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    That God has foreordained the Crucifixion of Jesus (Revelation 13:8) doesn't serve to absolve the Jews (Such as Caiaphas and Judas) nor the Romans (Such as Pilate and his wife) who have used their own freewill to crucify Him.

    They are still Guilty and culpable, notwithstanding God's foreordination of his own death on the Cross.

    For it is they who are Guilty of His crucifixion, not God, since he is not directly to blame for his own death on the Cross.

    This is Christianity 101, but are you retarded?
     
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