Mystery Babylon

[Fisherking]

Just admit you made a mistake. That the text does not say beasts plural. Of the seven heads - one, king 7, will become the beast-king 8 after being killed and brought back to life.

No, THE BEAST Represents all 7 of those Beasts from Egypt, to Rome to the Anti-Christ, good grief man, the very next verse says it has 7 Heads can you not read? You are the worst at not being able to admit you were in error. You KNOW this stands for the 7 Kingdoms that were over Israel. SMH.

The ten kings and the little horn come out of the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7:23-25. i.e out of the Roman Empire manifested in the end times as the EU.

The 10 is the E.U. and by the time the E.U. conquers everyone we see he conquers in Dan. 11:40-43 we see that the E.U. Beast and Roman Beast look just alike on a map.

The 7th angel, not the first angel, sounding announces what the third woe will be to the inhabiters of the earth. Revelation 8:13

Satan chases the Women (Israel) for 1260 days. Not for 75 days. Satan is cast down as a part of God's wrath. The Anti-Christ is released as a part of God's wrath, you get the king your heart so desires. The A.C. only rules over Europe, and the Mediterranean Sea Region.

 

[Douggg]

No, THE BEAST Represents all 7 of those Beasts from Egypt, to Rome to the Anti-Christ, good grief man, the very next verse says it has 7 Heads can you not read? You are the worst at not being able to admit you were in error. You KNOW this stands for the 7 Kingdoms that were over Israel. SMH.

You are one person. You have ten fingers and ten toes. Does that make you twenty persons ? No, it does not.

The text says that the 7 heads are 7 mountains where the woman sits. And that there are 7 kings - not 7 kingdoms.

The woman sits in Rome. The 7 kings are associated with the Roman Empire.

1 Julius Caesar.
2. Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero

7. end time little horn person
8 . the beast king (the little horn person after being killed and brought back to life)

 

[Douggg]

Satan chases the Women (Israel) for 1260 days. Not for 75 days. Satan is cast down as a part of God's wrath. The Anti-Christ is released as a part of God's wrath, you get the king your heart so desires. The A.C. only rules over Europe, and the Mediterranean Sea Region.

Stop with the lies and the personal attacks. Or get reported.

The person is in the Antichrist stage only for the time he is the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah by the Jews.

I never said that Satan chases the woman for 75 days. I never said chases. And never said for a period of 75 days that Satan chases the woman.

 

[Fisherking]

You are one person. You have ten fingers and ten toes. Does that make you twenty persons ? No, it does not.

This makes no sense brother, and you know it, the 7 Headed Beast is God verbiage, not a real being. The 7 Heads represents 7 Beasts who will arise (like Mountains) to power over Israel. The 7 Kings represents those same 7 powers falling as kingdoms. That's why 5 of the 7 have already fallen by the time John wrote this.

7 = Divine Completion. 10 = Completion.

The text says that the 7 heads are 7 mountains where the woman sits. And that there are 7 kings - not 7 kingdoms.

The 7 Mountains of Powers is where the Harlot (False Religion) sits, well, YEA..................each one was serving false gods not the one true God. So, each Kingdom when it falls is led by ONE KING !! The whole reason it is given this away is to make everyone understand that the Last Beast, the A.C./Little Horn/Beast both ARISES & FALLS and thus the LAST BEAST is ONE MAN.

The woman sits in Rome. The 7 kings are associated with the Roman Empire.

1 Julius Caesar.
2. Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero

Give me a break brother. This is not worthy of me even discussing it as far as I am concerned.

7. end time little horn person
8 . the beast king (the little horn person after being killed and brought back to life)

1.) Egypt
2.) Assyria
3.) Babylon
4.) Persia
5.) Greece
6.) Rome
7.) The Anti-Christ Beast MAN

8. Is of THE SEVEN, the scripture says this, but he is an 8th and there is only 7, meaning he is a Demon. We know the passage says he WAS............IS NOT...........YET IS, meaning he is a Demon. Hos name is Apollyon.

Stop with the lies and the personal attacks. Or get reported.

If I have to I will place you on ignore and just stop replying unto you. The fact you do not understand that RED PORTION as a reference unto God giving Israel a king when He desired no such thing, and thus they got a king THEY DESIRED, and he was the evil Saul, then I can't help you out there brother.

Just like when Israel demanded a King and got Saul, in the end times Israel will get ther hearts desire, NOT YOU, you know I am pre trib right? So, YOU will not be here in the 70th week, the YOU is in reference unto Israel getting the king their hearts so desired. They join the E.U. and get the King their heart so desired. The YOU is the Royal you as in Mankind in general, but here specifically its about Israel, as was the original reference. REPORTING on the message board, SMH.

The person is in the Antichrist stage only for the time he is the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah by the Jews.

And that was my point, they get the King their hearts so desire, for 1260 days.

I never said that Satan chases the woman for 75 days. I never said chases. And never said for a period of 75 days that Satan chases the woman.

Well, the 7th Trump is blown 75 days before Jesus' 2nd coming. These are facts. No Trumps gets blown until the Middle of the 70th week. You understanding that or not brother is not going to change those factoids. The Two-witnesses show up 1335 days before the 2nd coming of Jesus ends all these wonders. They this have to be "Witnesses" for 1260 days before they die, thus when they die there can only be 75 days left before Jesus' return, so when we add that up........

1335 - 1260 = 75.

The two-witnesses die at the end of the 2nd Woe, just before the 3rd woe [COMES QUICKLY) and thus the 7th Trump brings the 3rd Woe which is all 7 Vials. Thus the 7 Vials & 3rd Woe (one and the same) can only last for 75 days. You understanding that or not can't be factor in those timelines brother.

I stated the facts, that if Satan was cast down at the 7th Trump's STARTIG POINT he could only chase her for 75 days because that is how long the 7th Trump/3rd Woe/7 Vials (all one and the same) lasts for.

 

[One God and Father of All]

Good point. I do think the "great city" in Rev 11 may be Jerusalem, because it is where Jesus was crucified, although he was also crucified under a Roman governor. Nevertheless, Rev 17 speaks of a great city that rules over that part of the world, which has to be Rome.

Rev 17.18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

So the "greatness" of this city is more of a *political greatness* than any other kind of greatness that you may want to apply. Jerusalem was *not* great, politically, except perhaps in the time of Solomon.

The "greatness" of Jerusalem was in the residence of the "great King," God Almighty. But the city referred to in Rev 17 is not "great" because God is there, but rather, because it is *politically great.* But again, you're entitled to your opinion.

Under a Roman governor is not where Jesus was crucified. This is an error of many commentators. They wrongly apply “city” to “ruling system“ rather than a particular city which has boundaries and borders.

 

[One God and Father of All]

Actually, Rome killed Jesus, the Apostles, and many NT prophets.

Really? I must have a different Bible than you.

 

[RandyPNW]

Really? I must have a different Bible than you.

You should get the Christian Bible.

 

[RandyPNW]

Under a Roman governor is not where Jesus was crucified. This is an error of many commentators. They wrongly apply “city” to “ruling system“ rather than a particular city which has boundaries and borders.

I'm not making that "mistake." I'm applying this to the city of Rome, which rules as an empire.

The Prophets spend "equal time" in dealing with Israel's sins as with the sins of pagan nations. So I can see how we might differ on the question of whether "Babylon" is Jerusalem or Rome. It's up to you.

 

[Douggg]

. The 7 Heads represents 7 Beasts who will arise (like Mountains) to power over Israel. The 7 Kings represents those same 7 powers falling as kingdoms. That's why 5 of the 7 have already fallen by the time John wrote this.

It does not say anywhere in Revelation 17 that the 7 heads represent 7 beasts.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The location of where the woman sits is Rome. And that there are 7 kings associated with the kingdom of that location

The little horn and the ten kings in Daniel 7:23-25 are of the fourth kingdom in that chapter - the Roman Empire.

Well, the 7th Trump is blown 75 days before Jesus' 2nd coming. These are facts

The 7th angel sounding announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth. Revelation 8:13.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

How long is that short time ? That Satan makes war on the remnant of the woman's seed, who did not flee to the wilderness in time?

 

[Fisherking]

It does not say anywhere in Revelation 17 that the 7 heads represent 7 beasts.

The Woman/Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION of All Time, she has the blood of the [Jewish] Saints and the Martyrs of Jesus on her hands. So, the Woman (False Religion) was conjoined with every false Gov. Beast.

Rev. 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore(Why) didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. {{ Jesus like the Rev. 12 and Rev. 13 Beast, they are all one and the same, a FIGURATIVE BEAST, whom Satan the Red Dragon is over, and whom Apollyon the Scarlet Beast is over. In Rev. 13 we see the 7th Head is the A.C. }}

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit(Apollyon), and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. {{ The Harlot is All False Religion of All Time, thus of course she was comingled with those 7 Beast nations, she sits on thousands of Mountains, but here, only 7 are spoken about. }}

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen(This is not hard, we know who they were, you have to say its not so you can proffer its the Roman Emperors), and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings(E.U.), which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour(42 months) with the beast.

The location of where the woman sits is Rome. And that there are 7 kings associated with the kingdom of that location

No, False Religion sits EVERYWHERE, but God is only speaking of 7 Beast Kingdoms here.

The little horn and the ten kings in Daniel 7:23-25 are of the fourth kingdom in that chapter - the Roman Empire.

The A.C. is a 5th Beast in Daniel, and a 7th overall.

The 7th angel sounding announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth. Revelation 8:13.

And that happens AFTER the 2nd Woe has passed.

How long is that short time ? That Satan makes war on the remnant of the woman's seed, who did not flee to the wilderness in time?

Well, we KNOW the A.C. rules for 1260 days so that the answer.

 

[Douggg]

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. {{ The Harlot is All False Religion of All Time, thus of course she was comingled with those 7 Beast nations, she sits on thousands of Mountains, but here, only 7 are spoken about. }}

There no 7 Beast nations in Revelation 17 in the text. It also does not say that woman sits on thousands of Mountains.

0 And there are seven kings: five are fallen(This is not hard, we know who they were, you have to say its not so you can proffer its the Roman Emperors), and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Here is what you are claiming... you list 6 empires... then completely different you list the 7th kingdom as a man. That makes no sense.

1.) Egypt
2.) Assyria
3.) Babylon
4.) Persia
5.) Greece
6.) Rome
7.) The Anti-Christ Beast MAN

The A.C. is a 5th Beast in Daniel, and a 7th overall.

In Daniel 7:23-25, the little horn and the ten kings come out of the fourth empire. Nothing is mentioned about a 5th Beast in Daniel 7.

And that happens AFTER the 2nd Woe has passed.

Well, we KNOW the A.C. rules for 1260 days so that the answer.

John had already been shown what the 2nd woe was to be, and in that verse Revelation 11:14 John would shorty be shown what the 3rd woe will be. Satan is not the Antichrist. In the text of Revelation 12:14, Satan's short time left will be a time, times, half time. Which is a lot more than 75 days.

You subtract 1260 days from 1335 days to come up with 75 days - numerically, that you say Satan pursues the woman. But Revelation 12:14-17 says a time, times, half time.

 

[eleos1954]

Hi eleos, if you want to identify the woman turned harlot in Revelation 17 as the Vatican, I don't have a disagreement with that. Look at what happens to that harlot though in Revelation 17:16...

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

...basically it is saying that the Vatican will be burnt to the ground.

We have to differentiate the identity of the woman turned harlot (the Vatican) - and the meaning of the name on her forehead in Revelation 17:5

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

The woman herself is not Babylon the Great - but she has been influenced by Babylon the Great to have become a harlot.

Babylon the Great is the mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels.

Babylon the great is composed of all false religious systems with the "mother of harlots" (mother = papacy) (harlots = apostate "christian systems" that follow her ways).

When the political and religious power (unites) there is great prosecution that takes place ... it is then when those who "followed the beast" (most of the world) will realize they have been deceived and will attempt to destroy her ... how long this goes on is unknown ... we only know it will be cut short for the sake of the elect.

Filled with hatred, the ten horns, which are the successor powers to the divided nations of Europe, filled with hatred, suddenly turn against the harlot Babylon (the end-time manifestation of the papacy), making her desolate and naked; they symbolically will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. In writing about what will happen to the harlot Babylon, John employs language similar to what God said would happen to adulterous Jerusalem (Jeremiah 4:30). Burning by fire was the punishment for a priest’s daughter who was involved in sexual immorality (Leviticus 21:9). The deceived political powers have become disillusioned because of the inability of Babylon to protect them from the plagues. They feel deceived and, in hostility, attack her. This end-time apostate religious system, together with all those who choose to identify themselves with it, experiences the fullness of divine judgment (when Jesus returns) but this is not the full end .... the earth and it's inhabitants is destroyed ... left desolate .... when Jesus returns the 1st resurrection (of the saved) happens and those are taken to heaven for the 1,000 years .... after that then the 2nd resurrection (of the lost) happens and then Gods kingdom from heaven descends to the earth and they attack the Holy City (battle of Armageddon)

No doubt satan is behind all apostate church systems ... the mystery is deception... The mystery is how so many are able to be deceived. The mystery of iniquity.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 concerns the working of lawlessness in the world, leading to a worldwide rebellion against God. It works in secret right now, but it is working. The revelation of this lawlessness will coincide with the revelation of the Antichrist, mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:8. The man of sin’s rise to power will represent a climax of lawlessness, a satanic movement against the administration of God. This secret, behind-the-scenes movement is as yet restrained but waiting to be revealed.

 

[Fisherking]

Here is what you are claiming... you list 6 empires... then completely different you list the 7th kingdom as a man. That makes no sense.

1.) Egypt
2.) Assyria
3.) Babylon
4.) Persia
5.) Greece
6.) Rome
7.) The Anti-Christ Beast MAN

Of course it makes sense, I can walk you through why it makes sense, the question is will you listen to the factoids I present. God has His subtle ways of telling us things that need to be known later on.

In Dan. 7 we get the Four Great Beasts before Gabriel starts interpreting right? Now listen to Gabriel.

Dan. 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

So, a Beast is one who has power over a region/nation, here God uses these powers to try and bring Israel back in line. But notice says the Beast arose as Four Kings, this is important in Rev. 17. A Kingdom is only a Beast "Kingdom" when the original Beast King passes it on. As vs. 17 above shows, God sees them that ARISE as Beast Kings, which turn into Beast Kingdoms.

The Anti-Christ only rules 1260 days as the Beast King, then Jesus shows up and slays him by the presence of his coming. Dan. 7:11 agrees, the Beasts BODY is DESTROYED and cast into hellfire. Rev. 19:20 agrees, the Beast and False Prophet are cast into hell. So, as God says via Gabriel, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome all started out as Beast Kings first. Now you might call them Kingdoms, other might, but God is giving us who brought about the subjugation of a Region/Nation, and that was done to start with by one man giving orders. Then after they die it became a de-facto Beast Kingdom.

In Daniel 7:23-25, the little horn and the ten kings come out of the fourth empire. Nothing is mentioned about a 5th Beast in Daniel 7.

Yes it is. it says HE is different from the First (Rome) so that signifies the Beast that arises amongst the 10 or in the E.U. will not rule as a Beast over Israel like Rome the CRUSHER of Bones did, the E.U. brings all this to pass politically speaking to start with, he gets nations to disarm themselves, then pounces.

 

[Jan001]

I've looked at Jerusalem as the possible "Great harlot." But Jerusalem is not "great." Rome was "great" in John's time. Jerusalem has been viewed, biblically, as a "harlot." But in the endtimes we look forward to Jerusalem's restoration. Rome will be "burned." You have to form your own opinion, though. Take care....

Jerusalem is the great harlot. Jerusalem is the great city which crucified the Lord, Jesus Christ.

Revelation 11:8 And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified.

Their Lord was crucified in the outskirts of Jerusalem. Jerusalem is the great city. Jerusalem is the harlot. The dead bodies symbolically refer to the books of the law and the prophets, who prophesied the coming of their Messiah, Jesus Christ. Most of the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah.

Matthew 23:31 Wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of them that killed the prophets.

Matthew 23:37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldest not?

Matthew 20:18 Behold we go up to Jerusalem, and the Son of man shall be betrayed to the chief priests and the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death.

Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day and to morrow, and the day following, because it cannot be that a prophet perish, out of Jerusalem.