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Featured If the United States is Babylon...

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by akaDaScribe, Apr 19, 2018.

  1. AlasBabylon

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    Because Rome never died... it morphed...

    Pagan Rome became Christian Rome, then split into both the Holy Roman Empire in the west and the Byzantium Empire in the East. Roman Emperor Constantine built a new Christian city in the east, Constantinople, which was called the Second Rome. When Byzantium fell to the Muslim Turks, Russia [who Byzantium had Christianized] became Byzantium's heir and Moscow was called the "Third Rome." Some modern historians say that the last Tsar of Russia, Tsar Nicholas II [who was murdered by Bolsheviks in 1918], was the last Roman Emperor. But that was only the eastern part of the Roman empire. In the west, the Holy Roman Empire [which lasted almost exactly a 1000 years] is also called the First Reich. It was replaced by the Second Reich [the German monarchy that also fell in 1918 when Kaiser Welhelm II was forced to abdicate] and was later replaced by Hitler's "Third Reich." But Rome didn't fall with the Third Reich either... instead, post-WW2, it morphed again... ruled by the symbolic 10 kings who rule with the beast.

    See my previous post about the 10 kings at link below

    If the United States is Babylon...

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  2. Andrew Jeremiah

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    First, study the type and then gain insight to the shadow.
     
  3. akaDaScribe

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    Please clarify
     
  4. Marilyn C

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    Hi Abraxos,

    Actually Babylon is getting rebuilt by the Americans and the United Nations.

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  5. Abraxos

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    Sure, as a tourist attraction overlooking replicas of some buildings, but the city itself will never be rebuilt, as attested by God through many biblical prophecies that affirm the ultimate desolation of Babylon.

    My thoughts probably differ to most here on what Mystery Babylon actually is. I don't believe America is spiritual Babylon, but is closely associated with her. (Rev 13:11)

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  6. God bless Joshua

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    There's no reference in the Bible that God ever depicted Himself like that, its just a lie.
     
  7. Marilyn C

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    Hi Abraxos,

    Yes you have it - as a tourist attraction at the moment. Historic Tourism is the most popular tourism there is. The infrastructure at Babylon is being built to house all the tourists and workers at the site. There is a town as well as the historic area.

    Babylon has not just been destroyed, thus that is still future.

    regards, Marilyn.
     
  8. Abraxos

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    ...You believe this tourist attraction is Mystery Babylon depicted in Revelation?

    There are however many depictions of the "Eye of Providence" in esoteric circles such as the occult.
     
  9. shilohsfoal

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    And one more thing to think about.2000 years ago the king of israel rode into Jerusalem and was rejected .
    Today they have chosen their king to lead them and they love his kingdom.
    They will soon have a cashless society compliments of their king.
     
  10. Marilyn C

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    Hi Abraxos,

    I think you missed the three little words - `at the moment.`

    regards, Marilyn.
     
  11. Marilyn C

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    Perhaps some more info might be helpful.

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    Ancient Babylon, celebrated as a fount of law, writing and urban living, sits just outside the modern-day city of Hilla, about 60 miles south of Baghdad. Hilla is neither haunted by Sunni insurgents nor overwhelmed by Shiite militias. And though it has a mix of Shiites and Sunnis, it has not been afflicted by the sectarian violence that has paralyzed so many other heterogeneous parts of Iraq.

    Factories are churning, Iraqi security forces are patrolling and the streets pulsate with life — children bounding to school, crowds wading into markets, taxis gliding by.

    Emad Lafta al-Bayati, Hilla's mayor, has big plans for Babylon. "I want restaurants, gift shops, long parking lots," he said.

    God willing, he added, maybe even a Holiday Inn.

    The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization is pumping millions of dollars into protecting and restoring Babylon and a handful of other ancient ruins in Iraq. Unesco has even printed up a snazzy brochure, with Babylon listed as the premier destination, to hand out to wealthy donors.

    "Cultural tourism could become Iraq's second biggest industry, after oil," said Philippe Delanghe, a United Nations official helping with the project.

    (New York Times 2006)
     
  12. Bible2+

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    Are you thinking of the destruction of literal Babylon in Isaiah 13:19-22?

    If so, note that the city of Babylon referred to in Isaiah 13 (verses 1,19) is not the ancient city of Babylon, just as it is not the symbolic (and worldwide) "Babylon" of Revelation chapters 17-18. Instead, it is only the present-day, literal city of Babylon (in Iraq), which the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will transform into his world capital during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

    In Isaiah 13:3, the "sanctified ones" who "rejoice in [YHWH's] highness" are the obedient people in the Church in Revelation 19:7-8, after the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. They will be, in Isaiah 13:4-5, the "host of the battle" from "heaven", when they physically descend from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus Christ as He alone wages war against the world's armies at His physical return from heaven (Revelation 19:14-21). So in Isaiah 13:6,9, the "day of the Lord" is the same as the future, Second-Coming Day of the Lord (1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10).

    Isaiah 13:10,13 refers to the same, future, Second-Coming time as Matthew 24:29-31 and Revelation 19:15.

    Isaiah 13:11 refers to Jesus Christ's defeat of the world's armies at His Second Coming (Revelation 19:19-21, Zechariah 14:3-21).

    Isaiah 13:16 refers not to what Jesus or the Church will do, but to what some unsaved "Medes" (Isaiah 13:17-18) will do to the inhabitants of the city of Babylon at the time of Jesus' Second Coming. By "Medes" is meant the native inhabitants of that part of the Middle East which in ancient times was called "Media", and is now in northwestern Iran. The Kurds who now live there, and in surrounding areas, claim to be the descendants of the ancient Medes.

    In Isaiah 13:17, the "Medes" are not the ancient Medes who conquered the ancient city of Babylon (Daniel 5:28,31). For the ancient Medes did not make the ancient city of Babylon uninhabited (Isaiah 13:19-22) when they defeated it, but instead kept it as a thriving city which continued on for centuries.

    In Isaiah 13:19-22, the total and eternal destruction of the city of Babylon (in Iraq) has never been fulfilled. For Saddam Hussein rebuilt the city of Babylon (using bricks he inscribed with "built by Saddam Hussein, son of Nebuchadnezzar"). And after his defeat, U.S. forces built a military base in Babylon. And in the future, the Antichrist will transform the city of Babylon into his world capital. Isaiah 13:19-22 will not be fulfilled until this city is destroyed at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming.
     
  13. Bible2+

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    Note that there can be both a literal and a symbolic Babylon at the same time. And both can play a part in the never-fulfilled prophecies of Revelation chapters 6 to 19.

    For the seven heads of Revelation's "beast" in its empire aspect (Revelation 13:1, Revelation 17:3) represent seven empires (Revelation 17:9-10): Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam. The first five had fallen by the time of the apostle John in the first century AD: "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10, Revelation 1:1b-2). The sixth (Rome) existed at the time of John: "one is" (Revelation 17:10). The seventh (possibly Islam) had not come by the time of John: "the other is not yet come" (Revelation 17:10). The empire of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will be a different, still-future, eighth head (Revelation 17:11), which will be a revival of one of five empires which had fallen by the time of the apostle John (Revelation 17:8,10-11). It will be a revival of the empire of Babylon. The Antichrist will transform the present-day, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq) into the capital of his world empire, only to see his city of Babylon destroyed at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Isaiah 13).

    Before the Second Coming, when the world is brought into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) and the Antichrist, during the future Antichrist's literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist will build their main temple in the city of Babylon. For a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Also, the dragon has been the god worshipped in the city of Babylon since ancient times.

    The Antichrist may claim to be Nebuchadnezzar returned, and so reinstitute the system which Nebuchadnezzar set up whereby everyone had to worship an image or be killed (Daniel 3, Revelation 13:15). The Antichrist may also claim to be, at the same time, the return of Nimrod (the founder of Babylon: Genesis 10:8-10), and Hammurabi, and Asoka, and other famous rulers of the past. For he may claim that he has had many different "past lives" as various "enlightened" rulers.

    Besides building a main temple in Babylon, the Antichrist will also sit (at least one time) in a future, third Jewish temple in Jerusalem, and declare himself God there (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). The Antichrist could also sit (at least one time) in other religions' holiest shrines, and declare himself to be God there as well. For example, he could also sit in Islam's Kaaba in Mecca, in the Sikhs' Golden Temple in Amritsar, in Catholicism's St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, etc.
     
  14. Davy

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    In Luke 21, Jesus said when you see Jerusalem compassed around with armies, then those in Judea are to flee that area, and those of us in the countries are not to enter there.

    If you're in the countries and not Jerusalem, then 'hold fast'!
     
  15. Abraxos

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    The key mistake here is assuming that this "rebuilding" is thee end-times Mystery Babylon. This appears more like chasing rabbits rather than biblically identifying Mystery Babylon. There is probably some significance to this parody of the ancient city of Babylon, but it appears to be more of a stamp on the times we are in - not much of a mystery. As the early church knew the 'veiled' meaning behind Babylon, and numerous other characteristics from a scriptural standpoint, you'd have to disregard many passages as well as Christian history (especially the martyrs) to fit this into Bible prophecy.

    The problem here is that Bible prophecy portrays a country as a beast, not a woman. (Dan 7:23, Rev 13) Babylon in Revelation is described as a woman. (Rev 17:4) One of many contradictions between literal Babylon and spiritual Babylon.

    A summary on my take on Mystery Babylon from a biblical standpoint:

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  16. Marilyn C

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    Hi Abraxos,

    The final Global Government consists of three aspects - Political, Economic and Religious.

    The Political aspect is described as the `beast` consisting of the lion, (British Commonwealth & USA) the bear (Russian Federation) and the leopard, (EU) and controlled by the 10 kings, (of Islam). The global capital is the city of rebuilt Babylon.

    The religious (woman) and economic aspect are also housed in Babylon. The religious (false)aspect will get done away with by the 10 kings/leaders of Islam and the economic area in that city will get dealt with by God when He utterly destroys the city of Babylon.

    Marilyn.
     
  17. MyGivenNameIsKeith

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    In Revelation, the mystery Babylon is identified by the character and existed at the time of the writing of the book. The U.S. did not.
     
  18. Archivist

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    There also is no reference in the Bible as to what the cross that Jesus was crucified on looked like. Many scholars believe that it was a T rather than the cross that we see on our churches. There are many Christian symbols such as the Celtic knot that are depicted no place in scripture.
     
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  19. akaDaScribe

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    I try not to research these things to much because I tend to get consumed by them because they are so fascinating. Two questions: Any relevance to the term synagogue of Satan?” Also I looked up where Pergamos was and it is in part of Turkey that looked like it was once part of Israel. I was wondering if the seat of satan could be telling us exactly where satan’s headquarters is located and where the antichrist may come from. Any thoughts on that? BTW I think that same area was part of the roman empire as well among other empires.

    8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

    9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.



    12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

    13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
     
  20. Stonehaven

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    Babylon could also be America, which is the "Modern Resurrected Roman Empire".

    Since the White majority in America are descended from the Romans.
     
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