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[Barry Desborough]

So you're looking for the truth, and answers to your questions, and possibly a life changing revelation, and you can't spare and hour and a half?

As I said, I have wasted a lot of time examining creationist material. I think I have seen it all, in all its excruciating repetitiveness. If you really want me to risk wasting 1:20 minutes of my precious time, give me a teaser: A reason to look at it.

 

[Barry Desborough]

Ahh like, the observable evidence of evolution? Oh.. there is none, dang.
So, the evidence that the world manifested out of nothing? Ahh, again, none.
Oh here's one! Science completely explains, morality, love, art, and consciousness.
Nevermind, seems it doesn't.

What evidence do you have exactly to support your worldview?

It's not a "worldview". It's just science. Here's what I consider to be the best evidence for evolution. Veritas: Endogenous Retroviruses - Frequently Asked Questions

 

[Saint Beloved]

It's not a "worldview". It's just science. Here's what I consider to be the best evidence for evolution. Veritas: Endogenous Retroviruses - Frequently Asked Questions

How is that argument any different than
It's not a "fallacy" it's just God.

 

[-Hannah-]

The texts where creationism finds bases, above all things, serve me to know that God was our creator. Like a child who always knew her father and at a certain age asks him what his job is and what does he do. A father is a hero to their children way before they knew he has a role in society. Believing in creationism doesn't come from proof, but as a consequence of a close relationship to God. I see Genesis description as God answering us a hard question in the most minimalist way, not to teach us the process, but to introduce Himself and His original plan. If knowing how all started were relevant, if the proof were relevant, then this would have been described with much more depth and detail. This is my answer to why I believe in creationism and why I don't expect an atheist to find it clever.

 

[Barry Desborough]

How is that argument any different than
It's not a "fallacy" it's just God.

The evidence.

 

[Barry Desborough]

The texts where creationism finds bases, above all things, serve me to know that God was our creator. Like a child who always knew her father and at a certain age asks him what his job is and what does he do. A father is a hero to their children way before they knew he has a role in society. Believing in creationism doesn't come from proof, but as a consequence of a close relationship to God. I see Genesis description as God answering us a hard question in the most minimalist way, not to teach us the process, but to introduce Himself and His original plan. If knowing how all started was relevant, if the proof was relevant, then this would have been described with much more depth and detail. I see Genesis much more as the creation of linear time than anything else. Why are the days counted, in such a short explanation? Well... this is my answer to why I believe in creationism and why I don't expect an atheist to find it clever.

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[Saint Beloved]

The evidence.

Which believers have because they are the ones that need and seek it.

You seek what you do not know so you get frustrated by it.

You could have all the evidence you could ever want if you were open to it but you'll never find it with your methods only His. You are closed.

 

[Nick714]

 

[Monk Brendan]

...trying to understand the creationist mentality. I've been struggling with this for years. Is anyone prepared to give an honest, clear explanation as to why they believe in creationism?

I believe that God created the heavens and the earth. However, unlike some who believe that the earth is 6,000 years old or some such, I believe that God created the universe about 13.5 billion years ago. This solar system appears to be about 5 billion years old, and the earth about 4 billion years old. There is just too much data about the earth, how old it is, etc. to bypass that information.

As God is the creative force behind everything, He can do things as He wants. And if He wants to use a 13.5 billion year process to come to the state that Jesus could save us by dying on the Cross and rising from the dead, then He can do so. And I don't consider it a waste of time.

 

[Monk Brendan]

No. I did not say "we believe X because we believe X". I said "we believe X because we believe Y" and X follows logically from Y.

Sorry, But Y follows X, not the other way around.

Forgive me all for getting on my high horse, but the man is asking for help so that he can understand WHY you believe that the Bible says the world is 6,000 years old (approx). [Staff edit].

 

[Monk Brendan]

But, this also fails to account for the retardation and acceleration of time in nature itself (time does, in fact, accelerate and decelerate even in non-relativistic environments.)

This is an interesting discussion that we can have at another time, but for the proper instruction of the OP, we should stick to the issue.

 

[Monk Brendan]

Samantic satiation, eh? That's not surprising to us. The Creator tells us those who are in spiritual darkness cannot understand and that unless His Spirit hovers over the person and gives them light they remain in spiritual darkness. I know that sounds convenient but it's truth to us.

It also sounds rather high handed. "I have the truth, and you can't get it from me because you don't know the truth. Does this make sense?

 

[Saint Beloved]

It also sounds rather high handed. "I have the truth, and you can't get it from me because you don't know the truth. Does this make sense?

I don't believe so I think you can gather from my full context that it was given and intended in a humble and friendly way. [Staff edit].

 

[Ygrene Imref]

This is an interesting discussion that we can have at another time, but for the proper instruction of the OP, we should stick to the issue.

All in context.

I am not sure the OP is concerned with the advanced, or elementary aspects of creation(ism) anyway.

 

[-Hannah-]

[Staff edit].

The author of this thread states he is trying to understand the creationist mentality and asked if anyone was prepared to give honest answers regarding it. At some point, in the end of any argumentation, a creationist believes because he believes. I assumed this was the mentioned "creationist mentality". I can only explain how that satisfies me enough to live without doubts.

 

[Saint Beloved]

The author of this thread states he is trying to understand the creationist mentality and asked if anyone was prepared to give honest answers regarding it. At some point, in the end of any argumentation, a creationist believes because he believes. I assumed this was the mentioned "creationist mentality". I can only explain how that satisfies me enough to live without doubts.

We all gave to the OP with what God Himself gave to us.
We each have our allotment and roles we couldn't have given more, you did well Man's judgement of us is worthless, don't fret yourself.

 

[Wolfe]

We all gave to the OP with what God Himself gave to us.
We each have our allotment and roles we couldn't have given more, you did well Man's judgement on us is worthless, don't fret yourself.

A man wakes up, and turns to his wife, and says, I'm dead!
His wife looks at him like he's nuts, and says, surely you're not dead.
The man says, of course I'm dead, look at me!

The man continues throughout his day, believing he is dead, when finally his wife convinces him to have a psych eval.
He does so, and the doctor looks at him, and trys to convince the man of one thing, only living people bleed.
Corpses do not bleed, and the doctor shows the man all the evidence he can, save cutting the man to show blood.
And the man finally concedes, and says, ok, only living things bleed.

The doctor finally plunges a pin into the man, to draw blood.
Stunned the man looked at it, in deep reflection and finally says... Great scott! I guess dead things bleed too!

No amount of evidence will ever convince the unwilling.

 

[Saint Beloved]

A man wakes up, and turns to his wife, and says, I'm dead!
His wife looks at him like he's nuts, and says, surely you're not dead.
The man says, of course I'm dead, look at me!

The man continues throughout his day, believing he is dead, when finally his wife convinces him to have a psych eval.
He does so, and the doctor looks at him, and trys to convince the man of one thing, only living people bleed.
Corpses do not bleed, and the doctor shows the man all the evidence he can, save cutting the man to show blood.
And the man finally concedes, and says, ok, only living things bleed.

The doctor finally plunges a pin into the man, to draw blood.
Stunned the man looked at it, in deep reflection and finally says... Great scott! I guess dead things bleed too!

No amount of evidence will ever convince the unwilling.

Aww, thanks for sharing that story!
Sad but true no light can come till He brings it.
A constant reminder to self of how blessed we are to be in Him.

 

[Monk Brendan]

...trying to understand the creationist mentality. I've been struggling with this for years. Is anyone prepared to give an honest, clear explanation as to why they believe in creationism?

A lot of noise signalling nothing, right? I do believe in the indefectability of the Bible. That is, the Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit, and as it came from the pen of the author, it is without error or flaw. Mistakes in translating the text from one language to another, or in transcription MAY have crept in, but I really do believe it is of God.

But that is not going to help you. Look at the night sky, and all of the stars. Look at the sea, and all of the creatures that are in it. Look at the variety of birds in the air. Yes, all of the animals, fish, and birds could have been made a monochrome gray, with no variety. The vegetation on earth could also be a monochromatic yellow, with no variation in form or function. As long as there is a way to provide oxygen and foodstuff, it wouldn't make any difference.

Instead, the world, the sky, the sea, birds, fish etc. are a riot of color! This is a reason to believe in God, because the whole world is Technicolor! Listen to the sounds in the air--especially in a forest. All sorts of varied sounds. This is another reason to believe in creation.

Oh, I can hear your objections. Color and form, difference in form and function of vegetation and animal were used by "Evolution" to help plants and animals do their assorted jobs. Yes, that is true. But why are Birds of Paradise so varied in the color, plumage, and behavior? Why are hummingbirds so flashy and colorful? Why are kittens so cute? Why are stars so big, and multi-colored? To answer with, "they are burning different elements," is a lame answer. The question is WHY, and not what makes them different colors.

A lot of questions, and you might have a hard time answering all of them with science. But here is my answer: God created all of these things. It doesn't matter to me why He did so, except for His own pleasure, and for us to marvel at.

I love this world, and the universe. It is so awesome!

 

[USincognito]

Ahh like, the observable evidence of evolution? Oh.. there is none, dang.

Actually there's plenty of evidence for evolution. I'm sure you'll reject it because you want to watch an iguana hatch a clutch of puppies (which actually would falsify evolution).

So, the evidence that the world manifested out of nothing? Ahh, again, none.

Straw man. Interestingly that's exactly what Creation ex nihlo proposes.

Oh here's one! Science completely explains, morality, love, art, and consciousness.
Nevermind, seems it doesn't.

Where did you get the idea that there aren't scientific explanations for those things?

What evidence do you have exactly to support your worldview?

Evolution isn't a worldview.