I Have An Honest Question For Christians

[TheCheat1]

Even if we can explain the entire Universe without need for a god and you do not receive eternal life for your belief?

Even if you could explain the entire universe without need for God and I don't receive eternal life.

 

[MaragonEvolved]

So then how'd all this happen?

Are you going to make me do the whole explanation of what science is, what a scientific theory is, what the big bang says, what [SIZE=-1]abiogensis[/SIZE] is, what evolution actually means?

Even when I explain it you;
A) Will refuse to believe me.
B) Say God is still needed
C) Play the 'god of the gaps' game.

 

[TheCheat1]

Are you going to make me do the whole explanation of what science is, what a scientific theory is, what the big bang says, what [SIZE=-1]abiogensis[/SIZE] is, what evolution actually means?

Even when I explain it you;
A) Will refuse to believe me.
B) Say God is still needed
C) Play the 'god of the gaps' game.

Are you saying you can't?

I see that in your profile you are in a relationship. Why?

 

[MaragonEvolved]

Even if you could explain the entire universe without need for God and I don't receive eternal life.

First of all, and I mean no offense, I don't believe you.

I'm a psychology major.
There is not one thing a person does in his/her entire life that is NOT selfish or based on an outcome for you.
With no hope of a reward, humans don't perform.

It's a simple fact.

If there was no need for a god and no eternal life, why would you worship? Could god even be said to exist then?

 

[MaragonEvolved]

Are you saying you can't?

I see that in your profile you are in a relationship. Why?

Of course I could explain them to you, but I'm saying that I doubt it would do any good.

The fact is that you don't WANT to believe something that would weaken your belief in god.

 

[TheCheat1]

First of all, and I mean no offense, I don't believe you.

I'm a psychology major.
There is not one thing a person does in his/her entire life that is NOT selfish or based on an outcome for you.
With no hope of a reward, humans don't perform.

It's a simple fact.

If there was no need for a god and no eternal life, why would you worship? Could god even be said to exist then?

Based on? Your psychology that lacks the perspective of God. You are right, a human being, left alone, does nothing that doesn't benefit themselves. Add God to equation and you get something different.

It honestly doesn't matter whether or not you believe me, and we won't ever get the chance to test whether or not I'm telling the truth.

But I think I'd rather live my life thinking with my entirety that I know something for a fact and die and never know or feel or be conscious again than to deny what is right in front of me and find that I was wrong.

 

[TheCheat1]

Of course I could explain them to you, but I'm saying that I doubt it would do any good.

The fact is that you don't WANT to believe something that would weaken your belief in god.

I'm open for anything and everything. I could say the exact same about you, you know. You don't know for a fact that I'm not going to listen (because I am all ears) to you.

So please, explain how the universe came to be and exists without God, and then I will say what I think of your theory. Alright?

 

[VioletAngel]

I'm a psychology major.
There is not one thing a person does in his/her entire life that is NOT selfish or based on an outcome for you.
With no hope of a reward, humans don't perform.

It's a simple fact.

Actually, that is not true. That is what I mean about so-called "experts" with expensive educations. They can say anything and seemingly get away with it. I doubt this bit of "knowledge" completely. I have lived long enough to see examples that take this ideology out and disprove it.

 

[MaragonEvolved]

Are you saying you can't?

I see that in your profile you are in a relationship. Why?

Actually, that is not true. That is what I mean about so-called "experts" with expensive educations. They can say anything and seemingly get away with it. I doubt this bit of "knowledge" completely. I have lived long enough to see examples that take this ideology out and disprove it.

You go ahead and give me an example and I'll go ahead and show you selfish motivation.

Any example you want.

Giving to charity?
Makes you feel like a good person.

Volunteering?
Makes you feel like a good person

If doing good things for other people didn't feel good to you, you wouldn't do it.

 

[TheCheat1]

You go ahead and give me an example and I'll go ahead and show you selfish motivation.

Any example you want.

Giving to charity?
Makes you feel like a good person.

Volunteering?
Makes you feel like a good person

If doing good things for other people didn't feel good to you, you wouldn't do it.

Talking to you?

 

[VioletAngel]

Why?

I knew you'd ask that.

Various reasons. He is worthy to be praised, he is our Creator, he owes us nothing, actually. I still get to pray to him for comfort and help in my life. God loves us beyond our comprehension, it's a matter of putting our trust in him.

 

[MaragonEvolved]

I'm open for anything and everything. I could say the exact same about you, you know. You don't know for a fact that I'm not going to listen (because I am all ears) to you.

I'm not sure what you mean here.
You could say that I don't want to learn about science because it would weaken my faith in god?
I don't believe in god, and I study evolutionary biology in my spare time.

So please, explain how the universe came to be and exists without God, and then I will say what I think of your theory. Alright?

It's not MY theory, it's three or four scientific theories, and it would take me the better part of the afternoon to type it all out.
How about you ask me a specific question and I'll answer it.

 

[MaragonEvolved]

Talking to you?

You like to share your faith, and if you managed to convert me you'd feel proud and happy.

Also, humans just love to argue.

 

[VioletAngel]

Are you going to make me do the whole explanation of what science is, what a scientific theory is, what the big bang says, what [SIZE=-1]abiogensis[/SIZE] is, what evolution actually means?

Even when I explain it you;
A) Will refuse to believe me.
B) Say God is still needed
C) Play the 'god of the gaps' game.

Okay, so here we have a scientific theory. Some Christians believe in evolution. How does it preclude the existence of God?

I know a lot of Christians that believe in evolution and still have faith in God and the Bible.

Are you looking for excuses NOT to believe in God?

 

[MaragonEvolved]

I knew you'd ask that.

Various reasons. He is worthy to be praised, he is our Creator, he owes us nothing, actually. I still get to pray to him for comfort and help in my life. God loves us beyond our comprehension, it's a matter of putting our trust in him.

We don't have a creator, we don't need one and the universe didn't need one.
Science can explain it all.

So if God didn't create us, and he doesn't give us eternal life, then why worship him?

 

[TheCheat1]

You like to share your faith, and if you managed to convert me you'd feel proud and happy.

Also, humans just love to argue.

As for your, "makes you feel like a good person", that's called a benefit. Like signing up for an insurance plan. "If you do this and this, you'll get these benefits." The benefits aren't required from the insurance company but they threw it in to be nice. Praising and honoring God is (or at least should be) the main objective, and the benefits are a nice bonus.

 

[MaragonEvolved]

Okay, so here we have a scientific theory. Some Christians believe in evolution. How does it preclude the existence of God?

I know a lot of Christians that believe in evolution and still have faith in God and the Bible.

Are you looking for excuses NOT to believe in God?

It doesn't by itself.
But it removes the need for a creator of men, and that's where the problems and debate stems from.

The point is, if we can explain how the universe started, how our planet formed, how we evolved, and how we got to the present time WITHOUT a god, then what's the sense in believing in one?

 

[TheCheat1]

We don't have a creator, we don't need one and the universe didn't need one.
Science can explain it all.

So if God didn't create us, and he doesn't give us eternal life, then why worship him?

Then explain it. So far you have failed to do so.

 

[MaragonEvolved]

As for your, "makes you feel like a good person", that's called a benefit. Like signing up for an insurance plan. "If you do this and this, you'll get these benefits." The benefits aren't required from the insurance company but they threw it in to be nice. Praising and honoring God is (or at least should be) the main objective, and the benefits are a nice bonus.

But the benefit is why you're doing it.

That's the point I'm making.
Everything you do is for yourself in one way or another.

 

[MaragonEvolved]

Then explain it. So far you have failed to do so.

I already told you:

"It's not MY theory, it's three or four scientific theories, and it would take me the better part of the afternoon to type it all out.
How about you ask me a specific question and I'll answer it. "