I Have An Honest Question For Christians

[MaragonEvolved]

Where'd the energy and matter come from?

Matter and Energy is eternal.
It can neither be created or destroyed.

It didn't 'come' from anywhere.

This is a scientific FACT.

 

[TheCheat1]

Matter and Energy is eternal.
It can neither be created or destroyed.

It didn't 'come' from anywhere.

This is a scientific FACT.

It can't just BE there. It has to have a source. This is a scientific FACT. Something or someone HAD to put it here.

 

[MaragonEvolved]

Yet suns burn out in the Universe.

Yes, "bazillion" is a made up word, but sufficed for my point.

Yes, they do, and they take billions upon billions upon billions of years to do so.

So whats your point?

 

[VioletAngel]

Untrue.

First of all, this is called an argument from authority. You say that if some scientists believe in god, we all should. That makes no sense. If a group of people believe in an invisible flying purple dragon, would that mean we should believe in that too?

Secondly, a recent study has shown that most scientists are, in fact, atheist.
And they have linked education and intelligence to atheism.

I personally know a scientist that is a Christian. There are many scientists that believe in the Bible and in God.

 

[MaragonEvolved]

It can't just BE there. It has to have a source. This is a scientific FACT. Something or someone HAD to put it here.

I just lol'd.

Matter and energy CANNOT be CREATED and it CANNOT be destroyed.
Therefore it has no source.

Show me some matter or energy that can be created or destroyed, then you can debate this.

 

[VioletAngel]

Yes, they do, and they take billions upon billions upon billions of years to do so.

So whats your point?

It would take as long for everything to evolve too. By then the sun would burn out before we came along.

 

[VioletAngel]

I just lol'd.

Matter and energy CANNOT be CREATED and it CANNOT be destroyed.
Therefore it has no source.

Show me some matter or energy that can be created or destroyed, then you can debate this.

That is a huge assumption!

 

[MaragonEvolved]

I personally know a scientist that is a Christian. There are many scientists that believe in the Bible and in God.

I just refuted this point.

You're grasping at straws.

It doesn't matter of you know someone who believes in god and is a scientist.
I'm engaged to a scientist, and all of our scientist and engineer friends DON'T believe in god.

What does this prove?
Nothing.

Personal belief doesn't make something true.

 

[MaragonEvolved]

It would take as long for everything to evolve too. By then the sun would burn out before we came along.

No, it doesn't.

How about you explain evolution to me then, seeing as you apparently know how long it would take?

 

[dawnsday]

Okay, lets say that for whatever reason, you begin to have doubts about your faith. Does the idea that there is no God frighten you?.

yes

Why does it frighten you?.

1. Because it means the world is a selfish place and that will never be fixed.

2. It means that this weirdly obessive sense to "do the right thing" is a psychological disorder of some sort.

3. It makes my mom right and Lord knows when she is right I don't stop hearing it for years.

4. It means death is death and that's it.

 

[VioletAngel]

God and science

For example.

 

[VioletAngel]

I just lol'd.

Matter and energy CANNOT be CREATED and it CANNOT be destroyed.
Therefore it has no source.

Show me some matter or energy that can be created or destroyed, then you can debate this.

Do you know what happens in an atomic explosion?

 

[MaragonEvolved]

That is a huge assumption!

No, God is a huge assumption.

This is a scientific fact.

I am saying that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed.
If you don't believe me, then you can go ahead and give me an example of it being created or destroyed.

This is the 1st Law of Thermodynamics.
If this Law was NOT true, you wouldn't be sitting there reading this right now.

 

[TheCheat1]

I just lol'd.

Matter and energy CANNOT be CREATED and it CANNOT be destroyed.
Therefore it has no source.

Show me some matter or energy that can be created or destroyed, then you can debate this.

Fine, go look in Genesis 1. There you are.

 

[TheCheat1]

No, God is a huge assumption.

This is a scientific fact.

I am saying that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed.
If you don't believe me, then you can go ahead and give me an example of it being created or destroyed.

This is the 1st Law of Thermodynamics.
If this Law was NOT true, you wouldn't be sitting there reading this right now.

It is not a scientific fact.

 

[MaragonEvolved]

God and science

For example.

Once again, and I don't want to have to explain this to you again, just because a scientist believed in god doesn't mean god is real, it means they believed just like you do.

I will dispute that Einstein believed in god, however.
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It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
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The above quote is from a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954. It is included in " Albert Einstein: The Human Side", edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, and published by Princeton University Press. Also from the same book:

I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."
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[MaragonEvolved]

It is not a scientific fact.

What do you mean it's not a scientific fact?

Do you have examples of matter or energy that can be created or destroyed?

I'm sorry you don't understand science, but I'm going to stop replying to you unless you can provide an example or accept scientific truth for what it is.

 

[TheCheat1]

What do you mean it's not a scientific fact?

Do you have examples of matter or energy that can be created or destroyed?

I'm sorry you don't understand science, but I'm going to stop replying to you unless you can provide an example or accept scientific truth for what it is.

Genesis 1. And, a nuclear explosion. Tell me, what happens in a nuclear explosion to all the matter in range?

 

[BlackDagger]

I fear God!

 

[VioletAngel]

Again I will ask, you do know exactly what happens in an atomic explosion? It is a scientific fact. It will destroy in a direct hit. It will create a crator miles wide, deep and long. Everything will have been vaporized (rendered down into atomic parts).... it destroys matter. Your statement is scientifically wrong.