I Have An Honest Question For Christians

[VioletAngel]

We don't have a creator, we don't need one and the universe didn't need one.
Science can explain it all.

So if God didn't create us, and he doesn't give us eternal life, then why worship him?

Science can explain the how but not the why.

 

[VioletAngel]

Also, humans just love to argue.

Isn't that the truth!!

 

[MaragonEvolved]

Science can explain the how but not the why.

You're assuming that there needs to be a why.

 

[VioletAngel]

You're assuming that there needs to be a why.

For me, there needs to be a why. Why are we here? I want to know!

 

[MaragonEvolved]

For me, there needs to be a why. Why are we here? I want to know!

Is there any reason we shouldn't be here?

We humans have evolved to the point where the point of us existing is us.
We create our own purpose.

 

[TheCheat1]

Is there any reason we shouldn't be here?

We humans have evolved to the point where the point of us existing is us.
We create our own purpose.

You still have not explained how it is possible. How'd it all get here? What made it?

 

[VioletAngel]

You still have not explained how it is possible. How'd it all get here? What made it?

Also, who designed it? It seems it would have taken a huge amount of intelligence to design everything to fit in the way it does. How does a theory explain how things came to be? Some things are way too complicated to be explained by a theory.

 

[theVirginian]

Your God.

This exercise SHOULDN'T have anything to do with my atheism, but I fear a bit of a debate broke out over it.

I'm just curious as to what your emotional reaction would be if someone proved to you that there was no god, how would you feel?

Rats. I was hoping you meant atheism. I could deal with that. It's the only logical alternative.

Since I openned this thread last night, I've been trying to wrap my mind around the idea that the Christian god never existed. It isn't working very well even for a theoretical question. It's a tougher question to answer from the gut than you may realize.

Yeah, it took me a day to come up with this little bit. Pitiful ain't it?

 

[MaragonEvolved]

You still have not explained how it is possible. How'd it all get here? What made it?

How many times do I have to tell you?

Ask a specific question about the big bang, abiogenesis or evolution, and I will answer it.

Here you go:

All matter and energy is eternal, it can neither be created nor destroyed. The Big Bang occurred and the universe began expanding. Stars and planets formed when said matter and energy combined and collided in different ways.
Earth formed in the 'Goldilocks' area of our solar system.
Matter and energy swirled around in our atmosphere for billions of years combining and recombining until a particular combination was formed to create a single celled organism which then evolved into everything we now see.

Simple, easy.
Ask a question.

PS. Evolution does not say you came from rocks or monkeys.
The Big Bang theory does NOT say everything came from nothing.

 

[MaragonEvolved]

Also, who designed it? It seems it would have taken a huge amount of intelligence to design everything to fit in the way it does. How does a theory explain how things came to be? Some things are way too complicated to be explained by a theory.

Do you know much about evolution?

Intelligent Design is very silly and very incorrect.

There is nothing that is so irreducibly complex that it could not have evolved.
Not the eye, not the flagellum, not the circulatory system, not the human brain - we got that all covered.

 

[TheCheat1]

Do you know much about evolution?

Intelligent Design is very silly and very incorrect.

There is nothing that is so irreducibly complex that it could not have evolved.
Not the eye, not the flagellum, not the circulatory system, not the human brain - we got that all covered.

So then explain it.

Explain where the Big Bang got its materials from.

 

[VioletAngel]

Do you know much about evolution?

Intelligent Design is very silly and very incorrect.

There is nothing that is so irreducibly complex that it could not have evolved.
Not the eye, not the flagellum, not the circulatory system, not the human brain - we got that all covered.

As I said before, I studied anthropology, and know a lot about evolution. It still doesn't answer very much. It says it would take a bazillion years to create one living cell, much less an eye, or an ear, or brain cells. If it took that long, then our sun would have burned out by now. It's not logical at all.

 

[VioletAngel]

Besides, a lot of scientists believe in God. How do you explain that?

 

[MaragonEvolved]

So then explain it.

Explain where the Big Bang got its materials from.

I did, go back to the last page and re-read my edited post.

 

[MaragonEvolved]

As I said before, I studied anthropology, and know a lot about evolution. It still doesn't answer very much. It says it would take a bazillion years to create one living cell, much less an eye, or an ear, or brain cells. If it took that long, then our sun would have burned out by now. It's not logical at all.

Uh....bazillion isn't a real number.

And no, it takes thousands of years to form new species(except for insects, bacteria), not 'bazillions'.

You know that our particular star(sun) is of a kind that burns for billions upon billions of years, right?
We'll be extinct before the sun is, in all probability.

 

[VioletAngel]

How many times do I have to tell you?

Ask a specific question about the big bang, abiogenesis or evolution, and I will answer it.

Here you go:

All matter and energy is eternal, it can neither be created nor destroyed. The Big Bang occurred and the universe began expanding. Stars and planets formed when said matter and energy combined and collided in different ways.
Earth formed in the 'Goldilocks' area of our solar system.
Matter and energy swirled around in our atmosphere for billions of years combining and recombining until a particular combination was formed to create a single celled organism which then evolved into everything we now see.

Simple, easy.
Ask a question.

PS. Evolution does not say you came from rocks or monkeys.
The Big Bang theory does NOT say everything came from nothing.

No, not simple and easy. You still have not answered the question of where the matter came from.

 

[TheCheat1]

How many times do I have to tell you?

Ask a specific question about the big bang, abiogenesis or evolution, and I will answer it.

Here you go:

All matter and energy is eternal, it can neither be created nor destroyed. The Big Bang occurred and the universe began expanding. Stars and planets formed when said matter and energy combined and collided in different ways.
Earth formed in the 'Goldilocks' area of our solar system.
Matter and energy swirled around in our atmosphere for billions of years combining and recombining until a particular combination was formed to create a single celled organism which then evolved into everything we now see.

Simple, easy.
Ask a question.

PS. Evolution does not say you came from rocks or monkeys.
The Big Bang theory does NOT say everything came from nothing.

Where'd the energy and matter come from?

 

[VioletAngel]

Uh....bazillion isn't a real number.

And no, it takes thousands of years to form new species(except for insects, bacteria), not 'bazillions'.

You know that our particular star(sun) is of a kind that burns for billions upon billions of years, right?
We'll be extinct before the sun is, in all probability.

Yet suns burn out in the Universe.

Yes, "bazillion" is a made up word, but sufficed for my point.

 

[TheCheat1]

No, not simple and easy. You still have not answered the question of where the matter came from.

 

[MaragonEvolved]

Besides, a lot of scientists believe in God. How do you explain that?

Untrue.

First of all, this is called an argument from authority. You say that if some scientists believe in god, we all should. That makes no sense. If a group of people believe in an invisible flying purple dragon, would that mean we should believe in that too?

Secondly, a recent study has shown that most scientists are, in fact, atheist.
And they have linked education and intelligence to atheism.