Day of the Lord all happens together

[Marilyn C]

Whoah. Slow down. Can you take one thing at a time. This is what Pretribbers do. When one segment of Pretrib is exposed/refuted they move on to another. But the first forbids your future millennium. We are there now!

So..... what is the one thing, please.

 

[Marilyn C]

You are just ignoring the verse data you asked for, and then asserting whatever you can find from elsewhere. And this 7000 years is nonsense - God made the world through evolution over billions of years. Genesis is a creative 'myth' (genre storytelling - like a parable) that is TRUE - but not meant to be read literally. It tells us why and for whom God made the world, not HOW.

Looks like we are poles apart. God bless, as we continue on this journey in the Lord.

 

[eclipsenow]

8 people were not.

Check the coloured link I made to the other thread. The point is when Jesus returns it is a once-only event with universal and eternal consequences applied immediately. It's NOT a rapture, nor is it the start of a weird half kingdom 1000 years or anything like that. It's BOOM! All at once. Salvation, Judgement, New Heavens and New Earth - and eternity ushered in.

The timing is also utterly unknowable.

 

[Truth7t7]

You haven`t proven there is no millennium. Those scriptures just show that God will deal with the rebellious when Jesus comes in power and great glory. There will still be people on the earth then. Remember `one taken and one left.` (Matt. 24: 39 - 42)

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

(There Isn't A 1,000 Year Kingdom On This Earth Found Between Verses 23-24 Here)

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[sovereigngrace]

8 people were not.

Exactly, Jesus always rescues all His elect before destroying all the wicked. Simple! This destroys the Pretrib theory.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Whoah. Slow down. Can you take one thing at a time. This is what Pretribbers do. When one segment of Pretrib is exposed/refuted they move on to another. But the first forbids your future millennium. We are there now!

When Pretrib is exposed as error you quickly move to a future millennium.

 

[Marilyn C]

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

(There Isn't A 1,000 Year Kingdom On This Earth Found Between Verses 23-24 Here)

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Hi Truth,

Now I see where you get that idea that everything is sorted out when the Lord comes. However, the phrase `then comes the end,` in Greek means to set out for a definite point or goal. And that is over time. It is not `the end` full stop, but a setting out for a conclusion.

 

[Marilyn C]

When Pretrib is exposed as error you quickly move to a future millennium.

So, what is the `one thing?` Please.

 

[eclipsenow]

Hi Truth,

Now I see where you get that idea that everything is sorted out when the Lord comes. However, the phrase `then comes the end,` in Greek means to set out for a definite point or goal. And that is over time. It is not `the end` full stop, but a setting out for a conclusion.

Interesting! My commentary says it is quoting Psalm 8:6 and expounding the breadth and thoroughness of Jesus reign, not the timing.
Psalm 8:6: "You made them rulers over the works of your hands;
you put everything under their feet"
Footnotes

1. Psalm 8:6 Or made him ruler . . . ; / . . . his

Again there is no room for the Millennium at the raising of the dead here, because if you read later on in the chapter as Paul answers other questions about death, he says:

"I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?"
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Why is there still a sting for those who do not know the Lord?

Matthew 13:39 - “The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are ANGELS. 40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the END OF THE AGE. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

So when are the dead raised?
The end of the age.
Some to salvation.
Some to weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

 

[sovereigngrace]

So, what is the `one thing?` Please.

One subject at a time.

 

[Truth7t7]

Hi Truth,

Now I see where you get that idea that everything is sorted out when the Lord comes. However, the phrase `then comes the end,` in Greek means to set out for a definite point or goal. And that is over time. It is not `the end` full stop, but a setting out for a conclusion.

I Disagree, (Then Cometh The End) is the time when death is swallowed up in victory, eternity begins just as 1 Corinthians chapter 15 teaches

 

[Spiritual Jew]

You haven`t proven there is no millennium. Those scriptures just show that God will deal with the rebellious when Jesus comes in power and great glory. There will still be people on the earth then. Remember `one taken and one left.` (Matt. 24: 39 - 42)

What makes you think that "there will still be people on the earth after "one is taken and one left"? After every person is either taken or left, in other words? That is not what Jesus taught.

People need to remember that there is more to what Jesus taught about these things than just what is written in Matthew 24. Both Mark 13 and Luke 21 have further insights into His Olivet Discourse that are not found in Matthew 24. And there are also passages like the following where Jesus talked about things that He also talked about in the Olivet Discourse.

Luke 17:32 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” [36] [e] 37 “Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”

Notice what Jesus indicates will happen to those who are left behind and not taken. They will be dead. Killed. Feasted on by the vultures. So, with this in mind, what people exactly will supposedly still be on the earth after "one taken and one left"?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

You are just ignoring the verse data you asked for, and then asserting whatever you can find from elsewhere. And this 7000 years is nonsense - God made the world through evolution over billions of years.

You both are believing nonsense. For absolute certainty, you are believing things that are not taught in scripture anywhere.

Genesis is a creative 'myth' (genre storytelling - like a parable) that is TRUE - but not meant to be read literally. It tells us why and for whom God made the world, not HOW.

This is utter nonsense. How do you have the gall to call someone else's belief nonsense and then proceed to say something that is far more nonsensical than what she said?

Scripture says that Jesus descended from the people who you think are just myths.

Luke 3:23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melki, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph..........33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram,[e] the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

Do you see all the people who I put in bold there? All of them are mentioned in the book of Genesis, which you ridiculously and falsely say "is a creative myth" and "not meant to be read literally". If that was the case, then Jesus Himself would also be a myth since it would mean He descended from mythical people. Therefore, I can't take your claim seriously and, honestly, it's quite disappointing that you believe such nonsense.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

I agree the wicked were not left, they were taken away as per the flood as God`s word says.

Just checking out your link.

Is your view different than the typical pre-trib view? Most pre-tribs relate "one taken, one left" to a pre-trib rapture and believe those who are left are left alive on the earth to go through the tribuation. That isn't how you see it?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

This age continues till 7,000 years, the number of completion. The 7th day (as a thousand years) is as God`s rest, rest from wars, & Satan`s interference. Israel will rule over the nations under the Lord and people will have opportunity to go up to Jerusalem and learn of God`s ways. (Micah 4: 1 - 3)

Nowhere does scripture teach that. You should stick to what scripture actually teaches instead of trying to add to it.

The `in which` of 2 Peter 3: 10 refers to the Day of the LORD, period of time and at the end will be the rolling up of the heavens and earth.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

How does this refer to a "period of time" in any way, shape or form? The "in the which" refers to "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up". How long do you suppose it will take for the heavens and the earth to be burned up? Because that's all it's saying will happen "in the which" time that the day of the Lord occurs. Trying to say that the day of the Lord is a thousand years in length does not line up at all with what this verse says. This verse only references something that can easily happen in one literal day. So, to act as if "the rolling up of the heavens and earth" only happens at the end of the day of the Lord rather than being what happens on the day of the Lord is a case of changing the text to fit your doctrine.

 

[Marilyn C]

What makes you think that "there will still be people on the earth after "one is taken and one left"? After every person is either taken or left, in other words? That is not what Jesus taught.

People need to remember that there is more to what Jesus taught about these things than just what is written in Matthew 24. Both Mark 13 and Luke 21 have further insights into His Olivet Discourse that are not found in Matthew 24. And there are also passages like the following where Jesus talked about things that He also talked about in the Olivet Discourse.

Luke 17:32 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” [36] [e] 37 “Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”

Notice what Jesus indicates will happen to those who are left behind and not taken. They will be dead. Killed. Feasted on by the vultures. So, with this in mind, what people exactly will supposedly still be on the earth after "one taken and one left"?

The `Sheep,` nations that looked after the Jews in the trib. (Matt. 25: 31 - 46)

 

[Marilyn C]

Is your view different than the typical pre-trib view? Most pre-tribs relate "one taken, one left" to a pre-trib rapture and believe those who are left are left alive on the earth to go through the tribuation. That isn't how you see it?

That`s right, that scripture is when the Lord comes in power and great glory and sorts out the `Sheep and Goat Nations.` The `one taken and one left` reveal that wherever the person is they will be judged.

 

[Marilyn C]

Nowhere does scripture teach that. You should stick to what scripture actually teaches instead of trying to add to it.


2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

How does this refer to a "period of time" in any way, shape or form? The "in the which" refers to "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up". How long do you suppose it will take for the heavens and the earth to be burned up? Because that's all it's saying will happen "in the which" time that the day of the Lord occurs. Trying to say that the day of the Lord is a thousand years in length does not line up at all with what this verse says. This verse only references something that can easily happen in one literal day. So, to act as if "the rolling up of the heavens and earth" only happens at the end of the day of the Lord rather than being what happens on the day of the Lord is a case of changing the text to fit your doctrine.

`in which,`..........that reveals a period of time as does the word Day. In Hebrew and Greek the word Day means a period of time and a specific day.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The `Sheep,` nations that looked after the Jews in the trib. (Matt. 25: 31 - 46)

The sheep are not nations, they are individual believers.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world...41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels...46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

First of all, the word "nations" there is translated from the Greek "ethnos" which has several definitions including "mankind" or "people". The word "nations" was a poor choice. It should say all people.

Tell me, will entire nations inherit "life eternal" in "the kingdom prepared for" them "from the foundation of the world"? Is eternal life and a kingdom promised to entire nations? Where does scripture teach such a thing? Nowhere. So, why would you think that is what Jesus was saying here? Do people have to be lucky enough to be part of a sheep nation in order to inherit "life eternal" in the kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world? No, of course not. That would be ridiculous. No, the sheep are individual believers who belong to Christ. It is individuals who inherit eternal life, not nations.

Will entire nations be cast "into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" for "everlasting punishment"? Which would mean you have to hope to be lucky enough to not be in one of those nations? No, of course not. That is where individual unbelievers will go (Revelation 20:15).

 

[Spiritual Jew]

`in which,`..........that reveals a period of time as does the word Day. In Hebrew and Greek the word Day means a period of time and a specific day.

The only thing Peter indicated about that supposed "period of time" is that the heavens and earth would be burned up during that time. So, how can you think of that as a long period of time? It doesn't fit the context of what Peter said.