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Featured Anti-Christ Location and Mystery Babylon?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by JohnB445, Jan 7, 2019.

  1. JohnB445

    JohnB445 Well-Known Member

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    Do the two seem to tie in? Mystery Babylon is said to sit on many waters.

    Anyone have an idea of what that means, or where? Or what the Mark of the Beast may be or even if the Mark is already here or so.
     
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    Mystery babylon is Rome,
    Rev 17:18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”

    The only city at John's writing (Rev) that ruled over the kings of the earth was Rome.


    The mark of the anti christ will be exactly like the Bible states
    He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,

    The king of the north after he is mortally wounded becomes the beast, he receives the spirit from one of Romes past rulers.

    Rev 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition.

    Rev 17:10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
     
  3. timewerx

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    Rome did at the height of the empire.

    And the "Mark of the Beast" is very obviously pointing to the coin money of Rome. "Mark" in Greek in context refers to "engraving" which you'll find in a coin both the image of the leader and also a number.

    At one point, Rome forced the adoption of their coins and replacing other local coins with theirs. And obviously, you won't be able to buy nor sell unless you're dealing with Roman coins/money.

    Jesus actually taught how you deal with the "Mark of the Beast"/money. You give it back to Caesar (pay your taxes in full), use money to seek the Truth, find the lost, and help the poor - not to "help yourself" with it as Judas did where he used money for mostly his own benefit, and don't save too much of it.

    That it is made evident that the mark is not on your head (proof that you don't love money because loving money is hatred of God - Luke 16:13)
     
  4. Jeshu

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    A spiritual analysis of the great prostitute is unfaithful love and this is clearly religion herself, as she drinks the blood of all the saints. The Dragon accuser has her riding on his back for unfaithful love always sucks up to the system/beasts of this world and utilises it. To labour for world kingdoms and or use your by this world created mind means carrying the number 666.

    Anti-Christs are spiritual forces that contradict Jesus and His teachings. Dishonesty, lust, arrogance, greed and selfishness for example are all anti-Christ material. The lawless one within, the one doomed to destruction - will always be revealed as an anti-Christ.

    Once carried off by this world it is hard to escape. Babylon wont let the exiles go home - it is hard to free yourself from her grasp!

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    Waters symbolize people. Babylon means confusion, especially religious confusion. This is when the false God claims to be God and the Apostasy happens and this person, the Ac/false prophet will rule the world.

    It will be global.

    The mark does not even exist until the two beasts of Rev 13 appear and the image of the beast is commanded to be built...so it's not here yet.
     
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    Very interesting post.

    The Denarius is mentioned in Revel 6:6......................


    Matthew 22
    18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, "why make ye trial of Me, ye hypocrites?
    19 Show me the tribute money". And they brought unto Him a denarius.
    20 And He saith unto them, "whose is this image<1504> and superscription?"
    21They say unto Him, "Caesar's".............
    [Mark 12:15-16 Luke 20:23-24]

    Mark 12
    15 "Shall we give, or shall we not give?" But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them,
    "why make ye trial of Me? Bring me a denarius, that I may see it".
    16 And they brought it. And He saith unto them, "whose is this image<1504> and superscription?" And they said unto him, "Caesar's".

    Luke 16:14
    Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him.
    Luke 20
    23 But He perceived their craftiness, and said unto them,
    24 "Show me a denarius. Whose image<1504> and superscription hath it?"
    And they said, "Caesar's".

    This denotes famine, such as what happened in the siege of Jerusalem in 70ad:

    Revelation 6:6

    And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denarius and three choinex of barleys a denarius, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring".

    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

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    The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover. At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival and the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers...........

    .........Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive. The Jews, for want of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen.



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  8. timewerx

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    The system is still very much alive to this day. Behind the powers of the global Banking system is the Roman Empire working behind the scenes.

    The engraving / art style of money (both paper money and coin) is still based on ancient Roman and very much influenced by the worship of their pagan gods.

    Particularly, the worship of "Mammon" - any deity that promises power and wealth over worship, obedience, and admiration of it.

    Hatred of God (despite what one professes, actions speak louder than words) is made evident if one loves money - Luke 16:13. And if you hate God, you will also hate the Christ and therefore, be an antiChrist.

    Because if you love money, you will not use money to seek the Truth or use it to help our brothers and sisters in need. Unable to do what the Father asks of us (John 14:12). You will use it for fulfilling your own pleasures and achieving comfort in this world. Use it mostly to benefit only yourself or your own family.
     
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    Sorry but 6666 has no biblical significance in the slightest.
     
  10. timewerx

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    The meaning in the Bible maybe quite obscure.

    But those in the world who deals with vast amounts of money seem to use that number in one form or another. There are many big and rich companies / orgs for example that uses the number in their logos. Even some with the least bit of obscurity.

    And some of the logos are even found in Witchcraft symbols.

    So at the very least, the number does have strong connection to money or riches.

    "You cannot serve two masters" if you remember. You will love one and despise the other. It's even possible to believe you are serving The Father but is actually serving the Devil (John Chapter 8).

    Hatred of God which in turn is antiChrist is made clearly evident if one loves money. And how one loves money is made evident by where they spend their money. Is it mostly to themselves for one's own comfort or mostly for doing God's work (seeking the Truth, helping brothers and sisters who are poor and in great need, seeking the lost).

    The love of money is antiChrist. It's only expected that many rich companies / org would use the number for that clearly shows where their hearts are.
     
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  14. Revealing Times

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    The Aramaic word arab has nothing to do with the Arab's, it means MIXING like it states.

    #6151 H6148; TWOT - 2927; v

    —Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
    1) to mix, join together
    1a) (Pael) mixed (participle)
    1b) (Ithpael) mixed (participle)

    —Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
    (Chaldee); corresponding to H6148; to commingle:—mingle (self), mix.
    —Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)
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    • עֲרַב
    • arab (1107d); (Ara.) corr. to the root of 6154a; to mix:—
    • NASB - combine(2), mixed(2). h
    —NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries

    The proper name Arab or Arabian (and cognates in other languages) has been used to translate several different but similar-sounding words in ancient and classical texts which do not necessarily have the same meaning or origin. The etymology of the term is closely linked to that of the place name Arabia. Gustave E. von Gronebaum, in his book Classical Islam said that an approximate translation is passerby or nomad.

    Semitic etymology
    The root of the word has many meanings in Semitic languages including desert, nomad, merchant, raven and comprehensible with all of these having varying degrees of relevance to the emergence of the name. It is also possible that some forms were metathetical from عبر ʿ-B-R "moving around", and hence, it is alleged, "nomadic."

    In Hebrew the words ʿarav and ʿaravah literally mean "desert" or "steppe". In the Hebrew Bible the latter feminine form is used exclusively for the Arabah, a region associated with the Nabateans, who spoke Arabic.

    The Aramaic word used means Mixing.

    Now Islam is a huge part of the Harlot, as is Buddhism, Hinduism, witchcraft etc. all.

    Babylon = the Whole World just as Rev. 16:19 says.
     
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    Mr. Bunker, you need to find some bible verses of the muslim dajjal doing what muslims say he is going to do or the dajjal at all, in order to have...

    The beast - some kingdom of islam leader when the 7 years begins, who will get kiled and brought back to life as the beast. And all the muslims in the world worship him as God (a violation of the basic fundamental beliefs of muslims - which is a no-go for the Islam theory)

    The false prophet
    - the Mahdi spiritual leader of Islam. The 12th iman for Shi muslims.

    dajjal
    - ??? missing corresponding verses about this person in bible prophecies.

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    The muslim theory, as well as, the pope/papacy is the Antichrist/beast/false prophet theory are partial scenario theories which fall to meet the complete end times picture.
     
  16. Brian Mcnamee

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    The mark of the beast has a specific time line. Antichrist survives a mortal wound at about the same time the two witnesses are killed and raised up to ascend to heaven. The antichrist is given conrolr ovre the whole earth for 42 months. the false prophet will create the image of the beast that men must worship as well as receive the mark, or name or number of the beast on their hands or foreheads. Those who do not worship the image or take the mark are beheaded. So obviously this is not Roman coinage and to dismiss the future view is quite dangerous. Rev warns not to ad or take away from the book. I am sure you mean well in sharing the historical view but nothing the two witnesses have not been here; nothing happened 42 months after the antichrist got his dominion. No one was beheaded at this time on a global scale. The future view would require Israel to be gathered as a nation; Check a one world goverment to be forming, in progress That government would have to divide Jerusalem; in progress the return of the daily sacrifices would need to be prepared for with plans and all for the 3rd temple, they have prepared everything for it. The world's moral compass would have to be greatly corrupted so this day would come as a deserved judgment, check The technology that if the LORD did not return no life would have survived if He did not intervene; check Jerusalem would have to be a troublesome stone to the whole world/ check the church would have to largely apostate and many teaching doctrines of demons/ check. The current stage is set exactly as the futurist would suppose it would be.
     
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  20. Revealing Times

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    You realise Daniel was in Babylon and wrote in Chaldee Aramaic, not in Hebrew in the first 6 or 7 chapters. Then he switched to Hebrew I think in the latter half of the book.

    Scholars know what it means brother in this instance. Think about it, Clay and Iron don't MIX !!

    It means one of two things, either at the END TIMES when Satan is cast down to earth, it stands for mankind following/mixing with Satan/Devil rule, and we know that mankind following Satan is not the solid rock foundation that Jesus is. So Jesus SMASHES the feet, which means he destroys the Beast and his followers..............OR it means the Rome Beast suffered the Mortal Wound and then for eons Europe stayed fractured, trying to INTERMINGLE the seed of men (Kings) to recreate the European Empire (Roman Empire) of yesteryear, but just as Clay and Iron don't mix they will not be able to unite except in a fractured manner of many small countries, not Kingdom arises for many years, then the Beast comes along at the end.

    I tend to go with the first option, my understanding, Satan is the Clay and MEN following devils will not be allowed to stand. Jesus is going to SMASH that idea/STATUE.
     
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