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A simple fix for the Transgender issue.

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by Ken-1122, Jun 23, 2019.

  1. eleos1954

    eleos1954 God is Love Supporter

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    yeah, I understand where you are coming from .... however ... but that's not what is happening. You can't control what a person thinks, but one can control what they say. You can't presume what someone is thinking about their gender/sex.
     
  2. Ken-1122

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    That is extremely rare. According to the “American Society of Plastic Surgeons”, 0.5% of gender reassignment surgery involves changing sex organs. IOW 99.5% of what they call gender reassignment surgery it is changing the face or other features to look more like something they are not.

    More people are getting ‘sex change’ surgeries than ever before … but it’s not what you think
     
  3. Ken-1122

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    If it is disrespectful to call somebody a name to their face, it is just as disrespectful to do it behind their back.
     
  4. Ken-1122

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    It doesn't matter what they think, it matters what they say; and when they say he or she, they are referring to sex not gender. When they say mens room, or women's room, they are referring to sex not gender
     
  5. mkgal1

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    This is a multi-stall gender neutral public restroom. I've even seen some like that where each stall has their own ADA compliant sink as well (this one has a shared public sink). This is also helpful for people in wheel chairs, and people with young children that are opposite of their gender. It answers a lot of needs:

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  6. eleos1954

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    name-call·ing
    /ˈnām ˌkôliNG/
    noun
    1. abusive language or insults.
    not name calling when a person reports something to the police of what they saw or heard etc. as long as they are not abusive or insulting about it.
     
  7. Ken-1122

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    If that were the case, there should be nothing wrong with "mis-gendering" someone as long as they aren't abusive or insulting about it.
     
  8. SistrNChrist

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    Now that's an instance where the sex you were born with matters, because if you say you're a different gender/sex than the one you were born with, I can't think of too many doctors who would automatically assume you're transgender and treat you for gender specific causes, like pregnancy/miscarriage or prostate cancer
     
  9. Monk Brendan

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    This is generally what is called intersexual.

    A service veteran, who had always been considered male, had to have a CT scan of his torso. It was discovered that he had a uterus and non-functioning ovaries. Is he a man or a woman?

    A 19 year old college girl still had not started her periods, though externally she was a beautiful young woman. Medical examination revealed she was XY, the male genotype. Is she a man or a woman?
    According to the laws of her state, she was a man.
     
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    I agree with using the pronouns attached to their biological sex. I absolutely refuse to make any more compromises to the progressive agenda...period. Can you believe it has gotten to the point where you could will be labeled a "transphobic bigot" because you would refuse to date a transgender?
     
  11. Tanj

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    How do tell if it's a he or a she? What do you do with XXY and similar people?

    At the moment my thoughts are this is really silly and unhelpful.
     
  12. Ken-1122

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    Unless you know them, most will just go by appearance.
    As was pointed out before, the correct terminology for these people is actually "intersexual". For these extremely rare situations, an exception can be made. But that is not where the problem lies; the people complaining about gender identity are biological men and biological women claiming to identify as something else. It seems to me if we take the mental confusion out of the picture and stick with biology, it fixes the problem.
    Why do you see it as silly and unhelpful?
     
  13. Albion

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    It probably does make sense, Ken, but that approach has already relegated to the ash-heap.

    You cannot just do that since it will make someone within hearing distance "uncomfortable". As we all are supposed to know, not being made uncomfortable is the most basic of human rights, depending of course on whether youre in one of the oppressed or one of the oppressor classes. :rolleyes:
     
  14. mkgal1

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    Chromosomes are biology.

    Certain things can't be seen, so we shouldn't presume (and - in a polite conversation - it seems as if what you'd like as an identifier, shouldn't been seen either).
     
  15. Tanj

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    So...no way at all of knowing then, and you're going to use he or she based on what someone looks like.

    Nice one. :oldthumbsup:

    How rare is that?, I mean, all I do is work in a pediatric hospital. I'm sure you are far more familiar with the issue.

    Well aren't you the magnanimous overlord. Pray tell, how does one find out about somone's intersex problem so that one can make the exception? Perhaps a yellow star worn on their shirt?

    Indeed, the problem lies with close minded bigots who feel the loss of their Christian white privilege and are desperately lashing out at a group they can tell what to do.

    Take opinions like yours out of the picture also fixes the problem, given the attitude you represent is the entirety of the problem.

    See above post.
     
  16. Ken-1122

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    Why would someone feel uncomfortable?
     
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    A person who suffers from Gender Dysphoria Disorder knows if they are a biological male or female. If still confused, all they gotta do is check their underwear. If someone refers to them as “She” and this person has female sex organs, they have no reason to be offended because they are a biological “she” regardless of whatever they might be having going on in their heads. Where is the problem here?
     
  18. Ken-1122

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    Yes. If you look like a biological male, they shouldn’t be surprised if someone refers to them as a biological male. You know; the ole "looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck" thing.

    So you know how rare it is, what's your point?

    Intersexual people are not the ones raising a fuss. However If one did, it is up to them to tell people.

    White Christian? Speaking of bigotry, is that a racist and religious slant? What do white christians have to do with the points I’ve raised?
    Oh so you attack me now? If the best you can do in response to a statement is to insult or mock the poster, addressing the person instead of the statement, you have already lost the argument.
     
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  19. FireDragon76

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    I could see how anti-trans rhetoric/ideology could be very damaging to those sorts of people... especially because they've just undergone a major shock in their life. Obviously, people in those sorts of circumstances deserve our love and support.

    It's funny that today's epistle reading at church said that in Christ there is no "male or female", yet many here seem to not consider the full implications of that. Every human being deserves our respect, regardless of their gender identity.
     
  20. Tanj

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    Your whole point to this thread is to attack and mock a vulnerable minority in our society, for the sole purpose of what, exactly? Seriously, why do you care? Some poor soul out there born as one gender but identifies as another, why oh why do you feel the need to make such a fuss about it?

    You lost the "argument" the moment you made it.
     
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