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A simple fix for the Transgender issue.

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by Ken-1122, Jun 23, 2019.

  1. Ken-1122

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    I have and the questions I have are never answered. Perhaps you can answer them.
     
  2. Ken-1122

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    No, there has never been a single case when a person spent his entire life with male sex organs then went to sleep and woke up with female sex organs without surgery. So if such a miracle were to happen, it would not be the same.
     
  3. Ken-1122

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    Gender is about the social roles associated with the sex of a person.

    Sex and gender distinction - Wikipedia

    When I look at a woman, I don't assume any type of role for her, I see her biology, but the role she is supposed to play in life because she is female is not something I assume.
     
  4. Ken-1122

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    In Canada it’s considered a hate crime to use the wrong pronouns when describing someone
    Canadians Could Face Hate Crimes Over Using The Wrong Gender Pronouns

    In Virginia a teacher was fired for using the wrong pronoun.
    Teacher Fired for Using Correct Gender Pronouns

    Then this guy, takes his clothes off in the girls restroom in a park not far from where I live, and is allowed to do it because of our state transgender laws.
    Man strips in front of girls in locker room, says transgender law allows it

    Then of course the Transgender law passed by Obama
    Obama: Let Transgender Students Use Bathroom They Want

    I’ve heard some of the schools in my area the girls feel a need to get another girl to act as a guard in front of the door to keep boys from entering while her friend does her business. I find this unacceptable; do you?

    Those social constructs aren’t offending anybody. The social construct that allows men access to the women's public restroom and shower facility does.

    Unless you talk to them, how else are you supposed to recognize people?

    Not just the toilets, the shower facilities as well.

    How does identifying men and women biologically throw away 4000 years of social interaction? Please explain that one.

    And when your way involves direct emotional harm to vulnerable members of our society like school girls who are afraid to use the restroom at school, I will call you on it as well.
     
  5. ToddNotTodd

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    So your suggestion regarding how to address people is somewhat pointless. If you’re going to abide by what people refer to themselves as, then your suggestion is just initially guessing at what someone’s sex is.

    Which is what everyone does anyway.
     
  6. ToddNotTodd

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    Yes, I find it unacceptable that we’re teaching girls to think that trans women are monsters, terrifying them in the process.

    Since Christians seem to be the biggest offending group, we’ll need to take steps to make sure they’re never left alone with impressionable people, so that our young people grow up without this trauma...
     
  7. Ken-1122

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    How people see themselves or want to be addressed isn't the issue; the solution I suggested is about when the law gets involved.
     
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    The girls have a problem with boys in their restrooms. Boys know they can just go in and nobody is allowed to say anything.
     
  9. Sparagmos

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    Why don’t you ask a transgender person or do some research? I already said imagine waking up tomorrow and having the body of the opposite sex but nothing else has changed. You would feel like a man in a woman’s body.
     
  10. Tanj

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    Well, no, the dailycaller quoting lifesite news made that garbage up, and even then they weaseled a "could" into it. I wouldn't use either to line a parrot's cage.

    Again no, you really should stop using these muck dwelling "news" sites, you'll feel much better. What actually happened was:
    "Mr. Vlaming was asked repeatedly, over several weeks and by multiple administrators, to address a student by the pronouns with which this student identifies. The issue before us was not one mistaken slip of the tongue. Mr. Vlaming consistently refused to comply going forward — including in a statement made at the hearing — a willful violation of school board policy."


    I'm really going to need a shower after all these dips into lifesitenews, but once again, not a single shred of evidence that any of this is some kind of attemot by men to do...something...to women in their toilets.

    Good. That's exactly how the law should be.

    I've heard unicorns like to eat gnomes at the bottom of my garden. I find this completely unevidenced hearsay unacceptable.. Do you?. As an aside, why don't the business rooms have locks like every single toilet cubicle everywhere else in existence?

    So what, it's my fault it took you 4 pages if using he/she to get to your toilet fetish?
     
  11. Sparagmos

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    That’s how it would feel.
     
  12. Sparagmos

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    What have you read?
     
  13. Ken-1122

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    First of all I am a man not because of how I feel, I am a man because of my biology. If I were had a womans biology but felt exactly as I do now, I would consider myself a woman; not a man in a woman's body, a woman (a lesbian woman)
    To say I feel like a man suggests there is a feeling that only men feel that women do not, and there are biological women who have this feeling. I don't think such a feeling exists. But I could be wrong; if so please explain this feeling that only men have that women do not.
     
  14. Ken-1122

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    You aren't getting it; I would freak out because my body has changed! Not because I am a biological woman.
     
  15. Ken-1122

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    Mostly opinion pages, discussion boards, and on line articles.
     
  16. ToddNotTodd

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    Your OP specifically mentions pronouns. So apparently it is part of the issue.
     
  17. Sparagmos

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    Look, I’m not playing games with you. You’re not remotely interested in learning or empathy. Gender dysphoria is real, it’s a medical term. Go read a book.
     
  18. Sparagmos

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    Such as?
     
  19. ToddNotTodd

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    Are you saying Bill C-16 does not exist?
    Bill C-16 | openparliament.ca

    How is this different than what I said? Again; I said a teacher was fired for using the wrong pronoun. Nothing you said refutes what I said.

    I said nothing about men attempting to do something to women in their toilets. C’mon; address what I said and quit making stuff up.

    I disagree, that’s why I suggested an alternative when it comes to the law getting involved.

    It’s the guys with the Toilet fetish who like this law. Wait a minute; you like this law! Hummm……
     
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