Lol. God doesn't need us to glorify Himself.As I understand Reformed Theology God chooses on the basis of what glorifies himself, not on who the person is or on what they will.
All the angels in heaven glorify Him.
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Lol. God doesn't need us to glorify Himself.As I understand Reformed Theology God chooses on the basis of what glorifies himself, not on who the person is or on what they will.
Ok, so then the Father sent His Son to die and be tormented with every sin cast upon Him because the Father wanted a little glory? Do you really believe this stuff your writing and it makes sense to you?Be that as it may, it seems the primary motivating factor behind God's decisions is not our wealth-fare but his glory.
Ok, so then the Father sent His Son to die and be tormented with every sin cast upon Him because the Father wanted a little glory? Do you really believe this stuff your writing and it makes sense to you?
Would you also agree that every "elected" person, in heaven, becomes good and perfect?
In the eyes of the Reformed it would seem. I don't think I've misrepresented the position of Reformed Churches here in saying that God acts primarily on the basis of what glorifies him. This is why it seems like a belief in double predestination is held, because God's condemning certain people (not for anything they did) contributes his eternal glory. The primary motivating factor is never our agency for what God does in reformed theology but what God desires of us for his uses.
Look at it this way: God doesn't condemn anyone "not for anything they did." No one is condemned except for the transgressions he committed.In the eyes of the Reformed it would seem. I don't think I've misrepresented the position of Reformed Churches here in saying that God acts primarily on the basis of what glorifies him. This is why it seems like a belief in double predestination is held, because God's condemning certain people (not for anything they did) contributes his eternal glory. The primary motivating factor is never our agency for what God does in reformed theology but what God desires of us for his uses.
Look at it this way: God doesn't condemn anyone "not for anything they did." No one is condemned except for the transgressions he committed.
If you are not among the Elect, you cannot take the view that you lived a life completely free of any wrongdoing. And as for God's glory, he is not only Love but he is also Just, so for Him to respond to evil/sin with a celestial wink would not be Just.
I don't really see how the verse is against what I said.TobeLoved;
Do you really think that would be the case? God is the glory. All things came from that glory, pureness.
Isa_55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
How can the created question the creator?
Andy Centek
Since God is perfect and lives in a perfect heaven, the only way for anyone to be in heaven is to be perfect.
1 Corth. 15:51-53............
"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."
Hello MAjor1:
There is only ONE perfect, That is God. When I used the form of God (Jehovah Elohim), I exclude mankind and other gods. Paul said that Satan is the god of this world.
Study the scriptures about who is perfect and who is mad acceptable. We, those seeking to walk in the spiritual light of Christ Jesus are by the Holy Spirit's work, made acceptable unto God.
If you need more help on this matter afterwards, i will be glad to go deeper.
Andy Centek
Look at it this way: God doesn't condemn anyone "not for anything they did." No one is condemned except for the transgressions he committed.
If you are not among the Elect, you cannot take the view that you lived a life completely free of any wrongdoing. And as for God's glory, he is not only Love but he is also Just, so for Him to respond to evil/sin with a celestial wink would not be Just.
They're not condemned on account of their works or lack of (good) works but on account of their sins. If they are not among the Elect, it isn't the case that he's sentencing someone to damnation who was otherwise blameless.It seems to me since God in reformed theology has first decreed before the person even existed that they are condemned to damnation that it makes little sense to suggest God simply judging them according to their works.
Well, you're speaking there of double predestination. Most Reformed Christians do not accept the concept of double predestination.If that were the case, all should be condemned because all are sinners, yet the reformed tradition insists (to it's own detriment) that God has fore-ordained some to salvation and some to damnation.
They're not condemned on account of their works or lack of (good) works but on account of their sins. If they are not among the Elect, it isn't the case that he's sentencing someone to damnation who was otherwise blameless.
Well, you're speaking there of double predestination. Most Reformed Christians do not accept the concept of double predestination.
I hope that is the case I mean. Apologies.You're hoping that most Reformed churches teach Double Predestination rather than Single Predestination?
Neither Calvin himself nor the Westminster Confession taught double predestination.